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[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

ladyiolanthe wrote...

I'm not a man, actually, but you're welcome, Manchester.

PinkDiamondstl, I quote: "GaymerX is the first gaming and geek lifestyle convention with a focus on LGBTQ culture."

Hah sorry, I call everyone man

Modifié par ManchesterUnitedFan1, 11 août 2013 - 11:52 .

[Julie the bogan]

Thanks for the links

[PinkDiamondstl]

Tarek wrote...

love how "its my opinion" that most bigots are using, is no longer acceptable for journalists, and we/they are finally calling them out on their bluff and saying:

no sir your just racist/bigot , its not OKA to hate/reject gay people, you just have to suck it up and accept that they are part of humanity

great videos, thanks so much for the link

sorry my summarizing is blunt

Modifié par PinkDiamondstl, 12 août 2013 - 12:45 .

[ladyiolanthe]

[redacted due to someone else's post being edited]

Manchester, no worries.  I'm used to it... playing MMORPGs and stuff. I usually don't bother correcting people, but I figured it's silly to hide my femaleness in this thread.

Awww, I love the discussion happening between David and Jessica in section 1/4 of the Creating Romances in Games panel about making the romances fell as authentic as they do.

*Warm fuzzies*

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 12 août 2013 - 01:44 .

[Battlebloodmage]

ladyiolanthe wrote...

Moving on...

Awww, I love the discussion happening between David and Jessica in section 1/4 of the Creating Romances in Games panel about making the romances fell as authentic as they do.

*Warm fuzzies*

I hope they create build up scenes. I feel like the romance was a bit rush in DA2. I want the characters to start out as friends first before develop into something more. Morrigan was cold at first before opening up to you. That kind of things make the romance more unique. 

[ladyiolanthe]

Battlebloodmage wrote...
I hope they create build up scenes. I feel like the romance was a bit rush in DA2. I want the characters to start out as friends first before develop into something more. Morrigan was cold at first before opening up to you. That kind of things make the romance more unique. 

I feel like this might be possible, because I think it might be hard to set Inquisition up in a time-restricted set of Acts as DAII was. While there will still be goals to achieve, we have to achieve them by wandering around the world a lot, and that sounds like it would take time!  Keeping my fingers crossed.

This part of the video made me smile.  David Gaider says "I know everyone jokes: the writers want to make you cry... We do - it's not all that we want to do. The reason you cry is because maybe we've succeeded in making you care. And that's what we want. We want you to care, we want you to care enough to rage." It's true, even though I didn't cry (sorry, David!). I do care about my Warden making Alistair take the throne and choosing not to live happily ever after as his queen because Ferelden needs an heir, and that's the best chance Ferelden has of getting one. And, although my Hawke dumped Anders for lying to her and being a terrorist, she couldn't bring herself to kill him. (I think making him live with the fallout of his decision might be a pretty good punishment, actually...)

I feel that I'll care more if we have more of a build to romances in Inquisition, as we did in DA:O. 

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 12 août 2013 - 12:27 .

[Rawgrim]

How about some characters being more difficult to romance than others?

[kirvingtwo]

I really liked the BioWare, Creating Romances panel. Some interesting thoughts and I loved the banter between Jessica and David. Jessica Merizan is a very cool and funny woman.


Edit - Oops, where are my manners.  Thanks for the links to the videos.

Modifié par kirvingtwo, 12 août 2013 - 01:13 .

[Rawgrim]

Thanks for the links, by the way. Watching the stuff now.

[Potato Cat]

Oh god, I'm laughing my head off with the romance talk! Especially when I paused the talk for a bit when he brought up the Landsmeet break up to just pull myself together seconds before Jessica said she needed a minute!

[Tarek]

ladyiolanthe wrote...

[redacted due to someone else's post being edited]

Manchester, no worries.  I'm used to it... playing MMORPGs and stuff. I usually don't bother correcting people, but I figured it's silly to hide my femaleness in this thread.

Awww, I love the discussion happening between David and Jessica in section 1/4 of the Creating Romances in Games panel about making the romances fell as authentic as they do.

*Warm fuzzies*

now make me a sandwich , eheh lame joke I know 

don't hurt me 

[Unknown_Warrior]

What's even the point of a "Gayming" convention? Is gaming as a gay man somehow more trepidatious that they'd need a convention just for themselves?

[Rawgrim]

Unknown_Warrior wrote...

What's even the point of a "Gayming" convention? Is gaming as a gay man somehow more trepidatious that they'd need a convention just for themselves?

Its bigotry. Straight people are singled out and arn`t allowed to attend! (kidding).

[Ninja Stan]

Unknown_Warrior wrote...

What's even the point of a "Gayming" convention? Is gaming as a gay man somehow more trepidatious that they'd need a convention just for themselves?

Most videogames focus on straight characters or are considered to be straight-oriented by default, since historically in North America, the straight, white male has been considered the "normal" person. Because of this "default-ness," most gaming conventions are generally considered to be aimed at the majority or default demographic, the straight, white male.

Since gaming has gone quite mainstream over the last decade, some demographics have felt a little left out of the discussion. Some folks have felt that the stories and characters and themes in games don't quite address them and, in some cases, are ignoring or, worse yet, offensive to them. The depiction of non-straight, non-white, and non-male characters in games is now being scrutinized by an entire generation of gamers who feel it's long past time other genders, other ethnicities, and other sexualities are featured in protagonists and stories and themes.

To this end, groups are creating and sponsoring conventions focused on specific themes and demographics, both to service the geeks within those demographics and to bring more visilbility to different sides of the gaming discussion. Also, conventions are funsies for everyone so why not have one focused on gay gaming?

(And really, if you are aware of the stereotype of loud, obnoxious people in multiplayer games spewing obscenities and gay slurs over a microphone, or the internet's use of "gay" as a pejorative, you've sort of answered your own question. It's a matter of having safe, fun places to discuss topics of interest with a like-minded community, the same as a San Diego Comic-Con, only with a narrower focus (and smaller budget.))

[Rawgrim]

Just an honest question here. How come the phrase "straight white male" isn`t considered just as bigoted and heterophobic as saying "gay black man"? Skin colour and sexuality is being brought in in a very generalizing way, to be fair.

[Ninja Stan]

Rawgrim wrote...

Just an honest question here. How come the phrase "straight white male" isn`t considered just as bigoted and heterophobic as saying "gay black man"? Skin colour and sexuality is being brought in in a very generalizing way, to be fair.

Neither term is being used pejoratively, nor is any judgement being placed upon them in this thread. I used "straight, white male" only as the demographic most often targeted and represented by media and conventions, to answer the question of why a convention focused on a non-straight demographic or themes was necessary. In my experience, those questioning on the internet the necessity of discussing non-straight, non-white, and/or non-male issues today are predominantly straight, white, and/or male. Not that I'm casting aspersions on that demographic, but I haven't heard about any bisexuals, females, or Asians talking about how many "gay black men" show up in games these days.

[Jorji Costava]

Rawgrim wrote...

Just an honest question here. How come the phrase "straight white male" isn`t considered just as bigoted and heterophobic as saying "gay black man"? Skin colour and sexuality is being brought in in a very generalizing way, to be fair.

As a Straight Male Gamer myself, I'm probably the wrong person to answer this question, but I'll give it a go. First off, I don't see anything necessarily offensive about the expression "gay black man"; some people may be completely comfortable identifying themselves as such, and I see no reason why they shouldn't be.

As far as the larger concern I suspect is lurking here (how come derogatory remarks about gays or blacks are considered a much bigger deal than derogatory comments about white or straight people?), I'd suggest that this has to do with which social groups are privileged, and which ones are marginalized. Here's a silly example (which hopefully won't be taken to trivialize the larger issues): Bullying and teasing are taken seriously as social problems. But when we think of these things, we don't normally think of stuff like, "You know, there are a lot of kids out there saying mean things about the football team, like 'They're meatheads!', and 'Football is for stupid people!'"

Undoubtedly, there are a lot of kids who say things like that. But we don't think of this as some overlooked issue affecting our youth. Presumably, this is because the athletes are the more privileged group in the social world of high school; your insulting them will generally not deny them options, restrict their opportunities for advancement, or really affect them very seriously at all.

[Rawgrim]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Just an honest question here. How come the phrase "straight white male" isn`t considered just as bigoted and heterophobic as saying "gay black man"? Skin colour and sexuality is being brought in in a very generalizing way, to be fair.

Neither term is being used pejoratively, nor is any judgement being placed upon them in this thread. I used "straight, white male" only as the demographic most often targeted and represented by media and conventions, to answer the question of why a convention focused on a non-straight demographic or themes was necessary. In my experience, those questioning on the internet the necessity of discussing non-straight, non-white, and/or non-male issues today are predominantly straight, white, and/or male. Not that I'm casting aspersions on that demographic, but I haven't heard about any bisexuals, females, or Asians talking about how many "gay black men" show up in games these days.

Just figured it might be an american term, or something like that. We don`t really have any terms like that up here (Norway), so I figured I`d just ask

[Rawgrim]

osbornep wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Just an honest question here. How come the phrase "straight white male" isn`t considered just as bigoted and heterophobic as saying "gay black man"? Skin colour and sexuality is being brought in in a very generalizing way, to be fair.

As a Straight Male Gamer myself, I'm probably the wrong person to answer this question, but I'll give it a go. First off, I don't see anything necessarily offensive about the expression "gay black man"; some people may be completely comfortable identifying themselves as such, and I see no reason why they shouldn't be.

As far as the larger concern I suspect is lurking here (how come derogatory remarks about gays or blacks are considered a much bigger deal than derogatory comments about white or straight people?), I'd suggest that this has to do with which social groups are privileged, and which ones are marginalized. Here's a silly example (which hopefully won't be taken to trivialize the larger issues): Bullying and teasing are taken seriously as social problems. But when we think of these things, we don't normally think of stuff like, "You know, there are a lot of kids out there saying mean things about the football team, like 'They're meatheads!', and 'Football is for stupid people!'"

Undoubtedly, there are a lot of kids who say things like that. But we don't think of this as some overlooked issue affecting our youth. Presumably, this is because the athletes are the more privileged group in the social world of high school; your insulting them will generally not deny them options, restrict their opportunities for advancement, or really affect them very seriously at all.

Ahh. We don`t really have that stuff up here. We have bullying, of course. But not that classic football-hero bully stuff. I don`t remember any coloured people getting bullied for their skincolour either. Everyone were just part of the gang of friends.

[ElitePinecone]

Quicksilver26 wrote...

I just did a google search and found this

Thanks for the link! Looks really interesting.

[daveliam]

[quote]osbornep wrote...

As a Straight Male Gamer myself, I'm probably the wrong person to answer this question, but I'll give it a go. [quote]

I think you did an excellent job of summarizing the point.

On a different note, I'm so pissed that I missed this convention.  Hopefully, next year, this can happen in NYC so the East Coast can take part.  I would love to go to a Bioware Panel on these topics!

[ElitePinecone]

Here are the other two Bioware panels:

"Creating Romances in Games"

"Meet Bioware" https://www.youtube....Yg7Ivjeu1hx-gta

[Swagger7]

Rawgrim wrote...

osbornep wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Just an honest question here. How come the phrase "straight white male" isn`t considered just as bigoted and heterophobic as saying "gay black man"? Skin colour and sexuality is being brought in in a very generalizing way, to be fair.

As a Straight Male Gamer myself, I'm probably the wrong person to answer this question, but I'll give it a go. First off, I don't see anything necessarily offensive about the expression "gay black man"; some people may be completely comfortable identifying themselves as such, and I see no reason why they shouldn't be.

As far as the larger concern I suspect is lurking here (how come derogatory remarks about gays or blacks are considered a much bigger deal than derogatory comments about white or straight people?), I'd suggest that this has to do with which social groups are privileged, and which ones are marginalized. Here's a silly example (which hopefully won't be taken to trivialize the larger issues): Bullying and teasing are taken seriously as social problems. But when we think of these things, we don't normally think of stuff like, "You know, there are a lot of kids out there saying mean things about the football team, like 'They're meatheads!', and 'Football is for stupid people!'"

Undoubtedly, there are a lot of kids who say things like that. But we don't think of this as some overlooked issue affecting our youth. Presumably, this is because the athletes are the more privileged group in the social world of high school; your insulting them will generally not deny them options, restrict their opportunities for advancement, or really affect them very seriously at all.

Ahh. We don`t really have that stuff up here. We have bullying, of course. But not that classic football-hero bully stuff. I don`t remember any coloured people getting bullied for their skincolour either. Everyone were just part of the gang of friends.

Things like the GaymerX convention are how we try to bring our country just a little closer to that....

[Nightwing99]

I hope no one understands me wrong, but I think the idea behind this Convention little silly what Are the Other Convention only for straight players I believe Conventions should be about the Games and for everyone

[Plaintiff]

Nightwing99 wrote...
I hope no one understands me wrong, but I think the idea behind this Convention little silly what Are the Other Convention only for straight players I believe Conventions should be about the Games and for everyone

Virtually all of society is only for straight players, except the parts that explicitly state otherwise. That's the benefit of being a member of the presumed default.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 12 août 2013 - 07:48 .