Filament wrote...
A toggle, on the other hand, is the player telling the game on a meta level, don't show me the gay. Just because they may have the same "end result" (ie he stops talking about his gayness) doesn't mean one isn't horrible by comparison.
The relation to anything said in this thread is incidental.
It's a toggle in the sense that there's not a single gay thing that Anders says unless you consent first (by hitting on him). If you don't hit on him, then you never hear anything remotely homosexual (if I tell you "you have a soft heart, Filament", I'm not suggesting that we go out back and have sex).
I didn't use the word in that thread as an attempt to parallel any sort of character creation option, or whatever is being talked about here. I was just running out of cute nonsense to describe it with.
Filament wrote...
Indeed, the rejection seems to get more hideous with each retelling. When I've actually looked back at what was said, it doesn't seem nearly as bad as people make it out to be, even if I counted myself among them once. It probably seemed worse to me at the time because the paraphrase gave the expectation of a direct, curt rejection, and the rivalry gain helped affirm that expectation. I can't speak for how you feel about it, of course.
The issue is that it's expressed as declining any sort of relationship ("I don't want you thinking about me like that!"), in a conversation that had nothing to do with relationships or any sort of sexual interest.
I admit that "homophobia" was not the right word, but it's fairly repugnant to me that you either have to express interest in him (largely unprompted, because the supposed "flirt" just isn't a flirt at all) or can only tell him to keep his icky hands to himself—despite not really knowing him or having any cause to deviate from the actual discussion that was taking place.
If there had been an actual flirt, I'm not sure it would have been better to still have so limited responses, but at least it would have been on topic. Instead, the conversation and the response seem divorced from each other, and the way it's expressed comes off as offensive (I would be in a better position to judge if I was more familiar with all the variations and especially how it plays out with female Hawke, but I'm not sure that would make my impression of the way the sequence runs in this instance any better).
In short, the question comes across as "Am I making you uncomfortable (that men can have feelings for other men)?" and not at all as "Hey, stud, do you mind if I check you out?" Hawke's responses, however, only apply to the latter, while being completely insulting for the former.
Filament wrote...
Like I said, he's a different character. That's just how he is. Not the same as Awakening, per se, which is justified (..ho!), but you'll notice he was always a bit cautious and defensive there too. He just used humor as a crutch instead of being dour, reticent and passive aggressive.
I don't know what you're talking about here. There was no humor in the situation, and there was no way to adequately respond to any such suggestion.
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. I want to clarify that this is not some kind of boycott because it's just stupid and ineffective. It's about me not finding them game compelling enough to buy. Anyway, I would cut them some slacks though since there are a lot of risks riding on them with a big MMO game. Anyway, time is changing, and games are becoming more accepting of gay relationship. Saints Row 4 will feature S/S romance just like Bioware games, and if Bully 1 was anything to go by, Bully 2 may include something similar as well.
