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[Tarek]

Foshizzlin wrote...

I love how a thread on BSN about gamer panels becomes a discussion about gay rights and gay presence in video games.

Instead of, y'know, the actual topic of the thread.

thats cute ...

IT ISSSSSS part of the topic actualy 

[Battlebloodmage]

ElitePinecone wrote...

That was its own controversy, unfortunately.

Bioware Austin were in the unenviable position of having to produce *something* to satisfy people who were (entirely justifiably) upset at the lack of s/s romances more than a year after launch, but couldn't commit to actually making a companion romance arc in a reasonable timeframe. I don't know if people wanted/expected s/s with existing characters (which I guess would involve tweaking every romance plot in the game) or entirely new ones, but it sounds like making new companion romances (even if they're new companions) is a heck of a lot more difficult than just doing it from the outset while the game is still in development.

Ultimately it's a problem of their own making, and whatever the actual original reasoning for not including SGRAs in SWTOR, I don't think it was necessarily handled in the best way. The press for Makeb was pretty scathing, fairly or unfairly, and I think (at the very least) fans who bought SWTOR could continue to feel disappointed in the progress of s/s content nearly two years after launch.

The process Bioware goes through would (I think) be quite different for each dev team, as David pointed out at the conference, but I think there are some interesting insights when comparing how the DA, ME and SWTOR teams have all approached including s/s romances (and s/s characters more generally, even).

Seeing as how some factors have more than 1 choice, I don't understand why they could not make them S/S instead. The talk about s/s relationship wasn't brought up by Bioware, but by the fans when they play the beta game. That is why I feel like they either don't want to include it or just forget it altogether. I'm more inclined to believe in the former. Like I said, it is their rights. The game looks pretty generic, and the lack of s/s did make me less wanting to play it. I don't think they will ever include it at this point, so I sort of give up on this game already.

[Taint Master]

"Gaymer?" Really?

Alright then.

[Taint Master]

Foshizzlin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, if this game is still being developed, I suppose it's not completely beyond redemption, though I see no reason to believe that they had good reasons for not including s/s content to begin with unless they fully explain the thought process behind this.

It seems like you imply that everyone MUST be sexually open to both genders in the game. Has it occurred to you that perhaps not everyone is interested in the same gender? It's not offensive or repulsive to homosexuals, it's just how characters are made. You don't have to be homosexual to support homosexual rights or respect homosexuals.

To be fair Bioware encourage that line of thinking with their player-sexual characters in DA2/ME2 & 3 etc. 

Now if every character is isn't conveniently bi the game is clearly discriminatory.

[Xilizhra]

Foshizzlin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, if this game is still being developed, I suppose it's not completely beyond redemption, though I see no reason to believe that they had good reasons for not including s/s content to begin with unless they fully explain the thought process behind this.

It seems like you imply that everyone MUST be sexually open to both genders in the game. Has it occurred to you that perhaps not everyone is interested in the same gender? It's not offensive or repulsive to homosexuals, it's just how characters are made. You don't have to be homosexual to support homosexual rights or respect homosexuals. When it comes down to it, a much larger majority of individuals are heterosexual, in both our world and likely their world. Why? Because of offspring. Families want children to love and to carry on their dynasty and often to assist them in the agrarian society they live in. In the Dragon Age world, things like adoption or surrogacy are not exactly common. Having some S/S relationships is fine, but having everyone just being so ready and willing to hop into their own gender's arms is ridiculous, and fairly unrealistic; in a society like Dragon Age's, being homosexual is almost impractical, in a way, unless you want to throw out realism and the potential for genuinely S/S characters in exchange for artificial characters and some sort of sexual gratification from a video game.

If you don't like a game because it doesn't enforce universal bisexuality/homosexuality, then go out and find yourself a real life partner and don't try to ruin the gaming experience for the rest of us.

In DA2, there's a grand total of four bisexuals you meet in-depth, and two of them aren't even human and may well have different sexuality ratios. This is not unrealistic. In TOR, if you meet a certain number of potential companions who are bisexual and romanceable, that's still a comparison to the untold trillions of people in the galaxy to begin with.

And they're plenty genuine either way.

To be fair Bioware encourage that line of thinking with their player-sexual characters in DA2/ME2 & 3 etc. 

Now if every character is isn't conveniently bi the game is clearly discriminatory.

Keep in mind that no one isn't hetero in TOR.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 13 août 2013 - 05:36 .

[Ozzy]

I wasn't really crazy about everyone being Hawkesexual in DA2. Gaider makes a compelling argument in that the need to make everyone feel like they weren't being excluded is tantamount to all other issues but it just didn't gel right to me. I feel that ME3 was an improvement in regards to their romances. They gave an option for everyone (some groups with admittedly less options than others) and they were pretty well done. 

FreshIstay wrote...

The best way for them to make lgbt character's is for them to have people like cortez and traynor, ya know, people who who dont really serve a purpose but for some reason have to be there for the player, because If they make lgbt character's optional, I'd kill or dismiss them all from my party.

You could be a little more subtle next time.

[Xilizhra]

How do you know others aren't bisexual? You figure these things out through dialogue or romantic interaction. I really hope you're not suggesting we have characters that just randomly spout out "Oh, did you know I'm with a man?" or "So I was having dinner with my loving, heterosexual wife today". People don't regularly go around rampantly, vocally pronouncing their sexuality, homosexual or heterosexual, so it'd be rather unrealistic. I like to focus more on personality rather than sexuality, since, y'know, it's a video game.

No one romanceable, if you so prefer.

[Xilizhra]

Foshizzlin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

No one romanceable, if you so prefer.

That's much more reasonable, but I still don't truly see why it's a big issue. You don't play games for their sexual content or romance, you play them for the story and plot. What's it matter if someone's homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual? If they're well-written, and if they're romanceable, if the romance is well-written, why not love them?

If I play a game that has no romances whatsoever, fine and dandy, it's not part of the game structure. If, however, all romances are hetero when I couldn't possibly be less interested, it feels like a thumb in the eye.

[Xilizhra]

Foshizzlin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

No one romanceable, if you so prefer.

That's much more reasonable, but I still don't truly see why it's a big issue. You don't play games for their sexual content or romance, you play them for the story and plot. What's it matter if someone's homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual? If they're well-written, and if they're romanceable, if the romance is well-written, why not love them?

If I play a game that has no romances whatsoever, fine and dandy, it's not part of the game structure. If, however, all romances are hetero when I couldn't possibly be less interested, it feels like a thumb in the eye.

Then you imply heterosexual romances mean nothing. I think love is love, regardless of gender, so in actuality, it seems you're a little more discriminatory than you think.

Then again, it's a video game. I could care less what crudely-modeled body parts are underneath those flat, blended textures on those polygonal models are. I don't concern myself with it.

Well, they mean nothing to me as an experience. I'm sure they're wonderful for those who actually participate in them, and I don't begrudge them that, I'm just plain not interested in experiencing it for myself.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Taint Master wrote...

"Gaymer?" Really?

Alright then.

"Taint Master?" Really?

Alright then.

[Xilizhra]

It's a video game, bro. I see what you're saying, but it still doesn't make sense that to you, or anyone, romance is the deciding factor in buying a game. More specifically, how much homosexual romance is available.

Because it's an enjoyable experience and adds to roleplaying.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Xilizhra wrote...

It's a video game, bro. I see what you're saying, but it still doesn't make sense that to you, or anyone, romance is the deciding factor in buying a game. More specifically, how much homosexual romance is available.

Because it's an enjoyable experience and adds to roleplaying.

You don't seem to have avoided me2, despite the fact that it doesn't contain true same sex relationships.

Except for LOTSB I suppose. And Kelly.

Ugh, how I long for the days when lesbian women and gay men are treated equally to each other.

[Taint Master]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

"Gaymer?" Really?

Alright then.

"Taint Master?" Really?

Alright then.

Yes, really.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Taint Master wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

"Gaymer?" Really?

Alright then.

"Taint Master?" Really?

Alright then.

Yes, really.

Donnic wrangles my nugs every time

Modifié par ManchesterUnitedFan1, 13 août 2013 - 06:22 .

[Xilizhra]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It's a video game, bro. I see what you're saying, but it still doesn't make sense that to you, or anyone, romance is the deciding factor in buying a game. More specifically, how much homosexual romance is available.

Because it's an enjoyable experience and adds to roleplaying.

You don't seem to have avoided me2, despite the fact that it doesn't contain true same sex relationships.

Except for LOTSB I suppose. And Kelly.

Ugh, how I long for the days when lesbian women and gay men are treated equally to each other.

I play it for the continuance of the series and because I'm still romancing Liara. It was a bit of a wrench, but I made it through.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Did you dislike awakening, since it contained no romances?

[Xilizhra]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

Did you dislike awakening, since it contained no romances?

Awakening was too short, and while it had good characters, it had no opportunity to get to know any of them.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

That's not quite what I asked

[Xilizhra]

I did not dislike Awakening because of a lack of romances, no. My Warden was already taken.