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[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

So why did you play it, if you knew prior that there were no romances?

[Maria Caliban]

Unknown_Warrior wrote...

What's even the point of a "Gayming" convention? Is gaming as a gay man somehow more trepidatious that they'd need a convention just for themselves?

Yes.

Excellent use of the word 'trepidatious' by the way.

[Xilizhra]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

So why did you play it, if you knew prior that there were no romances?

To advance the Warden's plot.

[Xilizhra]

Foshizzlin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

So why did you play it, if you knew prior that there were no romances?

To advance the Warden's plot.

Rather bipolar opinionation. You'll buy and play and enjoy one game for plot, but will totally skip out on another game and outcry it as offensive just because it may not include a cast of all-bisexual/homosexual characters.

No, I'd just be somewhat annoyed if there was a numerical imbalance. I'm skipping it because it has romances while deliberately excluding homosexual ones. I might play it if it had no romances at all.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

She isn't saying that she wants ALL characters to be gay/bi Foshizzlin. Also, tht is t at all what bipolar means

@Xil, if you played awakening to continue the warden's story then why won't you play inquisition to continue Thedas' story if there are no F/F romances?

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

EDIT: double post.

Modifié par ManchesterUnitedFan1, 13 août 2013 - 06:49 .

[Xilizhra]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

She isn't saying that she wants ALL characters to be gay/bi Foshizzlin. Also, tht is t at all what bipolar means

@Xil, if you played awakening to continue the warden's story then why won't you play inquisition to continue Thedas' story if there are no F/F romances?

Because it'd have been a blatant and horrible departure from precedent that would come across as highly offensive, which is not the case for Awakening because A. it has no romances to begin with, and B. is basically a large DLC and not a full game.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Considering romances are such a small part of the game, doesn't it seem a little over the top to boycott a game which could be AMAZING just because of that?

I had to play as a female Shepard to romance men in ME1 and ME2, why didn't you boycott those games because they excluded gay men? Doesn't that show that your boycotting has little to do with actual morals and anti-homophobia and more to do with selfish reasons of romances being tailored to you specifically?

[Xilizhra]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

Considering romances are such a small part of the game, doesn't it seem a little over the top to boycott a game which could be AMAZING just because of that?

I had to play as a female Shepard to romance men in ME1 and ME2, why didn't you boycott those games because they excluded gay men? Doesn't that show that your boycotting has little to do with actual morals and anti-homophobia and more to do with selfish reasons of romances being tailored to you specifically?

Well... yes, if there's less content I enjoy in a game, I'm less likely to play it. From what I've heard of TOR, it's not really enough special for me to quite pick it up without the whole romance thing.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

But you've heard barely anything about DA:I and you're already talking about boycotting it if there are no F/F romances.

[Maria Caliban]

Foshizzlin wrote...

It's a video game, bro. I see what you're saying, but it still doesn't make sense that to you, or anyone, romance is the deciding factor in buying a game. More specifically, how much homosexual romance is available.

If SWTOR had same-sex romances when it came out, I'd have bought it on release.

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

But you've heard barely anything about DA:I and you're already talking about boycotting it if there are no F/F romances.

I'm not sure you're using boycott here correctly.

I haven't bought Shadowrun Returns. That doesn't mean I'm boycotting it. That means I haven't bought it. If someone told me 'Shadowrun Returns lets you play as a woman and gives you the option to romance other women' I probably would have picked it up.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 13 août 2013 - 07:11 .

[Xilizhra]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

But you've heard barely anything about DA:I and you're already talking about boycotting it if there are no F/F romances.

I think you've lost the plot; I was referring to ToR earlier. I know that DAI has F/F romances in it, so there's no issue.

[brushyourteeth]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

But you've heard barely anything about DA:I and you're already talking about boycotting it if there are no F/F romances.

In Xil's defense, if a game series that has always provided same-sex romances suddenly stops, she and other gamers who like same-sex content have a right to be upset.

And if another game seems to cater to heterosexuals and leave out players who prefer homosexual content (and there are a lot of straight players that do -- hang out on the forums and you'll meet plenty), she and everyone else that would prefer same-sex romances has a right to cry foul.

Because that does stink of some serious privilege.

You'd be rather upset if the tables were turned.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

I wouldn't be just as upset, most of the time I romance women despite being gay.

Xil, I shouldn't have really made this about a specific game.

In general, I I game doesn't contain F/F romance, like, say, fallout 3, will you unequivocally refuse to buy it?

[Xilizhra]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

I wouldn't be just as upset, most of the time I romance women despite being gay.

Xil, I shouldn't have really made this about a specific game.

In general, I I game doesn't contain F/F romance, like, say, fallout 3, will you unequivocally refuse to buy it?

I don't have much money, so to buy a game requires it to grip me in some way or another fairly significantly from simply hearing about it.

[ladyiolanthe]

I think it's perfectly fair for people not to buy games because it doesn't contain s/s romance options, if they feel strongly about the inclusion of s/s romance. It's rather like voting with one's money, isn't it?

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

I don't either, but I still consider far more things than simply romance options when choosing either or not to buy a game.

[Xilizhra]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

I don't either, but I still consider far more things than simply romance options when choosing either or not to buy a game.

There are other factors, yes.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Ladyiolanthe, that isn't the situation here as xil bought mass effect 1 and 2 despite the fact that they didnt contain any form of m/m romance.

If that WAS voting with money (which is wasn't), it's rather unpleasant as it would be saying 'I want you to include lesbians, but I don't care if you include gay guys'

[ladyiolanthe]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

Ladyiolanthe, that isn't the situation here as xil bought mass effect 1 and 2 despite the fact that they didnt contain any form of m/m romance.

If that WAS voting with money (which is wasn't), it's rather unpleasant as it would be saying 'I want you to include lesbians, but I don't care if you include gay guys'

OK, got it, thanks for the clarification. I have not played any of the ME games (more into fantasy than sci fi, for games, anyway). I agree that if f/f content is included, then m/m should be as well. Otherwise it's unfair to gay men. Also, it strikes me as pandering to the weird fixation straight males have about lesbian/lesbian action, which bothers me on several levels.

[Eterna]

Foshizzlin wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

But you've heard barely anything about DA:I and you're already talking about boycotting it if there are no F/F romances.

In Xil's defense, if a game series that has always provided same-sex romances suddenly stops, she and other gamers who like same-sex content have a right to be upset.

And if another game seems to cater to heterosexuals and leave out players who prefer homosexual content (and there are a lot of straight players that do -- hang out on the forums and you'll meet plenty), she and everyone else that would prefer same-sex romances has a right to cry foul.

Because that does stink of some serious privilege.

You'd be rather upset if the tables were turned.

If Dragon Age suddenly became a game with nothing but homosexual men or women, I wouldn't really care. It's a video game. It's not "infringing upon my rights to heterosexuality". Just the same, forcing numerical quantities to balance out a homosexual/heterosexual ratio and not purchasing the game solely because it doesn't have a forced numerical quality is ridiculous. The game isn't "infringing upon your rights to homosexuality".

I'm saying this to Xil because I've seen his/her posts before on similar subjects, and Xil often takes an almost "crusading" stance for the cause of artificial implementation and quantity of homosexuality, and refuses to purchase the game if these needs are not met. It sounds far less like an actual cause-support, and more like just plain "bawww"ing over one's own wants not being met. I agree, Dragon Age should include homosexuals, bisexuals, heterosexuals, all of it, but I myself am not going to get offended if homosexuals outnumber heterosexuals. Just the same, no one should be getting offended if heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals.

It's not like the devs sit around thinking "Hmm, how can we oppress a sexual orientation today?"

Xil wouldn't be offended, she just wouldn't buy it, as is her right. 

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

It is of course her right, but that doesn't mean that we aren't allowed to question her reasoning