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[IamZAE]

[quote]ManRightChea wrote...

[quote]Chealec wrote...

[quote]ManRightChea wrote...

Batarian Soldier is good, but I would rate the Krogan higher. With the proper build the KS is a total beast. The Bat Soldier is good too, but since he can't create fire explosions the way the KS can, he loses. KS is tankier, gets a power damage buff from Fortification and can create FE's. Batarian soldier pretty much just depends on nades alone for most of his damage, ballistics do damage too but do not create an FE with the nades.[/quote]

You can quite easily make the BatSol tankier than the Kroldier - it comes down to the shield regen buffs in Blade Armour. If you put a shield booster on him rather than a cyclonic he might have less total shields than the Kroldier but you can get them regenerating in under a second. This means you very rarely have to take cover; Scions/Banshee warp balls or Atlas rockets, DoT attacks basically, are about the only things that can force a BatSol/BatSent to take cover to regen shields.

Nothing can force a BatGuard into cover... nothing.

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Tankiness in that regard to survivability is irrelevant for a skilled player. Whether the Bat is in  cover or not still does not make up for the crowd killing ability of the Krogan. If BB's combined with his nades than I could see the argument, the fact that they do not makes the Krogan more lethal. Bat has more speed, that's mainly it. BB's may offer crowd control, but while the Bat is still fighting the group his has bladed, the Krogan has already killed the group with an FE and moved on.

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Survivability benefits a skilled player even more, you must not play platinum. It is easy to say survivability is overrated or skill trumps the need for fitness when you have teamates to revive you and babysit you while you rush spwans all over the place like a jackass.. or play LOL GOLD like a gold specxtre scrub.

Modifié par IamZAE, 02 août 2013 - 10:08 .

[IamZAE]

my quoting is messed up and i dont feel like fixing it, deal with it.

[ManRightChea]

IamZAE wrote...

my quoting is messed up and i dont feel like fixing it, deal with it.

Yeah it may be messed up, but you are wrong as well. If you think I don't play Plat then you obviously need to check my profile. Either way, tankiness in the fashion the other guy described is irrelevant.

[Qui-Gon Glenn]

OP has given me a tumor.


I agreed most closely with d-nought's list, but what I have been shocked by is that no one has the N7 Destroyer in their top 10 list?

Are we playing the same game?

Also, KSol is awesome but no where near top 3 if your criteria is "potential to wreck most face". As has been noted BatSol beats him at all of his games.

[Chealec]

IamZAE wrote...

Chealec wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

Batarian Soldier is good, but I would rate the Krogan higher. With the proper build the KS is a total beast. The Bat Soldier is good too, but since he can't create fire explosions the way the KS can, he loses. KS is tankier, gets a power damage buff from Fortification and can create FE's. Batarian soldier pretty much just depends on nades alone for most of his damage, ballistics do damage too but do not create an FE with the nades.

You can quite easily make the BatSol tankier than the Kroldier - it comes down to the shield regen buffs in Blade Armour. If you put a shield booster on him rather than a cyclonic he might have less total shields than the Kroldier but you can get them regenerating in under a second. This means you very rarely have to take cover; Scions/Banshee warp balls or Atlas rockets, DoT attacks basically, are about the only things that can force a BatSol/BatSent to take cover to regen shields.

Nothing can force a BatGuard into cover... nothing.

LOL i want whatever ur smokin, batarian solider is easily just as good as the krogan soldier, but not because of tankiness comparissons, and shield regen is great dont get me wrong, but it still doesnt hold a candle to cyclonics on kits with high shields AND Damage Reduction Armor abilities.

edit: could you explain in detail please how a batarian can be tankier then a krogan, enlighten me please

OK, technically it's not really tanky in the purest sense - the Krogan will always have more shields but the Batarian CAN have faster shield regen... if you want to try something silly spec out a BatSent (for example, works with the BatSol and BatGaurd too), get as much shield regeneration as you can on Fitness and Blade armour.

Then, to be really silly, throw on a Stronghold package V and Shield Power Cells III... when your shields go down you will literally never have to hit cover for more than about a second, you can hit the wall and by the time you're getting off it again your shields will have started regenerating and you've got your shield gate back.

The Krogan might have more shields to play with, especially if you do something similar with gear/equipment BUT once they're down they take a little longer to start recharging. Because of the shield gate mechanic, the Batarian taking less time to recover from the gate than the Krogan means it's quicker to reach the point where you take 2 hits rather than 1 before you start taking health damage... which is handy if you prefer to run around like a lunatic.

So yeah, in a way, the Batarian can have greater survivability - especially if, like me, you go 6/6/6/4/4 on the Krogan Soldier for maximum grenade/carnage damage. The no-lash BatGaurd, with shield regen from Biotic Charge, is really, really hard to kill if you throw on Stronghold Package and Shield Regen III - it is overkill and I'd generally use Juggernaut Shields or Martial Biotic - but it's good for a chuckle once in a while.

Modifié par Chealec, 02 août 2013 - 10:42 .

[ManRightChea]

Qui-Gon Glenn wrote...

OP has given me a tumor.


I agreed most closely with d-nought's list, but what I have been shocked by is that no one has the N7 Destroyer in their top 10 list?

Are we playing the same game?

Also, KSol is awesome but no where near top 3 if your criteria is "potential to wreck most face". As has been noted BatSol beats him at all of his games.

Agreed on the Destroyer, overall one of the best kits in the game imo. I think people get hung up on Infiltrators honestly but imo one of the most important aspect to consider when questioning whether the character is one of the best, is how that character fairs versus any faction. The Destroyer is one of few characters that can wreck versus any faction, even on Plat.   Also lol, no the BatSol plays second string to the KS.  KS can melt more armor due to rank 5 Fort and can create FEs at will, until the Bat can do those things he can't hang.

[Caldari Ghost]

my top ten characters are Geth Infiltrator.

[IamZAE]

@chealec, weve all tried builds like that with shield regen, works really well on some kits like geth kits, but alot of units have the capabalilty to 1 2or 3shot down to ur gates, or some attacks will just flat out KILL YOU. shield regen is worth squat in MANY MANY cases. shield regen isnt considered tankiness... also if shield regen meant u got ur shield gate back when ur shields start going up, then id say that is some tanky stuff, but thenthat may be game trivializing?

i would suggest abusing shield regen howver if ur low on cyclonics for the batarian or the geth kits, or N7 Slayer

Modifié par IamZAE, 02 août 2013 - 11:00 .

[me0120]

Caldari Ghost wrote...

my top ten characters are Geth Infiltrator.

This is the only correct thing in this thread.

[DarthYoda786]

He is a extremely solid charecter. My go to charecter on gold and plat. I woudn't rate him in the top three though. Very effective agains't Reapers and Collectors. Also, I rate him more highly then the Batarian Sol. Ultimately he can punish harder because of fire explosions.

[valium]

not like we are "clogging our top 10 with cloak" because of preference. objectively infiltrators are the best kits.

deal with it.

[ISHYGDDT]

DarthYoda786 wrote...

He is a extremely solid charecter. My go to charecter on gold and plat. I woudn't rate him in the top three though. Very effective agains't Reapers and Collectors. Also, I rate him more highly then the Batarian Sol. Ultimately he can punish harder because of fire explosions.

lol no.  Ballistic Blades does greater damage by itself than carnage+fire explosion except to armor.  And the performance vs. armor is irrelevant because both are << Inferno Grenade DOT.

[me0120]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

DarthYoda786 wrote...

He is a extremely solid charecter. My go to charecter on gold and plat. I woudn't rate him in the top three though. Very effective agains't Reapers and Collectors. Also, I rate him more highly then the Batarian Sol. Ultimately he can punish harder because of fire explosions.

lol no.  Ballistic Blades does greater damage by itself than carnage+fire explosion except to armor.  And the performance vs. armor is irrelevant because both are << Inferno Grenade DOT.

The only advantage it has it range, but with Batarian movement speed that doesn't matter much.

[Kalas747]

Very solid class and ONE of the highest scoring kits. If you want top scoring kits with little effort he's up there. Along with the paladin, GI piranha, and talon plus cain mines.

[Zyzimorph]

Meh, he's pretty boring to play, at least for me

I prefer cluster grenades

[Kalas747]

Zyzimorph wrote...

Meh, he's pretty boring to play, at least for me

I prefer cluster grenades

I never get tired of the mass fire explosions.  If you've got somebody backing you up with overload and you get geth as an enemy faction the clustered enemies make for some impressive pyrotechnics sometimes.

[Zyzimorph]

Kalas747 wrote...

Zyzimorph wrote...

Meh, he's pretty boring to play, at least for me

I prefer cluster grenades

I never get tired of the mass fire explosions.  If you've got somebody backing you up with overload and you get geth as an enemy faction the clustered enemies make for some impressive pyrotechnics sometimes.

inferno grenades are the boring part, I was never really into them. 
I understand that they are amazing and all, but I never liked using them

[han shot shepard]

UEG Donkey wrote...

Cons: Very Slow

The Batarian soldier is superior in every way. Prove me wrong

self detonated, crazy dealy fire splosions with carnage, better melee ( it is better, batarian punch is way too slow) and you're not a dirty slaver.

[ISHYGDDT]

han shot shepard wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...

Cons: Very Slow

The Batarian soldier is superior in every way. Prove me wrong

self detonated, crazy dealy fire splosions with carnage, better melee ( it is better, batarian punch is way too slow) and you're not a dirty slaver.

1.  Fire Explosions are way overrated, especially when you have inferno grenades
2.  I only use very occasionally use melee for the 75% damage reduction
3.  You say that like it's a bad thing.

Modifié par ISHYGDDT, 03 août 2013 - 12:36 .

[snootz]

Destroyer in the top 10.. heard it all now...

[palmof40sorrows]

UEG Donkey wrote...

Cons: Very Slow

The Batarian soldier is superior in every way. Prove me wrong

Easier to do fire explosions with Krogan Soldier without using anything BUT his powers. Yes you can get fire explosions natively with the Batarian Soldier (which I love by the way make no mistake), but it isn't as easy as grenade/carnage/boom.

Also, Krogan voice snippets FARRRRRRRRR superior to Batarians.

[Lexsoar]

snootz at it again

[Tallgeese_VII]

He is powerful but only if he has enough grenades.
So.. no. Not top 3.

Top 3 characters don`t have to cheese or rely on grenades.