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[Todd23]

Is every single hornless kossith brown, and the white ones have horns? It seems that way from what I've seen in the games.

[mousestalker]

The best take on the whole Qunari with horns thing.

[Fredward]

Catroi wrote...
you can use all the lore that you want but THIS is not genetic mutation and is scientificaly impossible, it's like saying that a woman giving birth to a dog is genetic mutation.
Mutations don't change your species as far as I know

Uhm... what? Sten doesn't have horns. That is what separates him from "regular" Qunari. That is a genetic anomaly since he shows no signs of having them removed after birth or whatever. Any other changes are due to the shift in art style. It would be like saying the elves in DA2 are a completely different race than the ones in Origins and that DA2 Merrill is an imposter.

Unless you're saying that having somehwat idiosyncratic genes makes you an entirely different species. But I'll just assume you're not going there.

[Jonata]

It's not that weird. In South Africa, young men get their own front teeth surgically removed to look badass and "sexy". I assume that if there were people born without their front teeth they'd be considered just as much badass in SA. Different culture can have very different perceptions of things like claws, horns or fangs and it's not impossible that not having them can be considered more dangerous than actually having these "natural weapons".

After all, the Qunari are a very complex race but also not an illogical one. I suspect it also has to do with the fact that a Kossith that lack horns has a physical disadvantage and so end up being a more motivated fighter.

Also, I cannot understand why a few Kossith being born without horns must be so "improbable" since stuff like that happens all the time in nature.

[Maria Caliban]

I'll also add that the Qunari have a multi-generation breeding program.

They may be cultivating the hornless qunari such that more and more children are born that way.

[Nightdragon8]

,,,, really people... you do know there are people born without arms or legs right? it would be the Kossith equvalit of that. It can happen it will happen.

As for the social part of it, we really don't know enough about Qunari society that we can fully analze it to see how hornless Qunari are treated.

[phunx]

Qistina wrote...

Being hornless is the peak of evolution

What? Evolution has no "peak": that's a very misguided look at it.

[AppealToReason]

[Iakus]

phunx wrote...

Qistina wrote...

Being hornless is the peak of evolution

What? Evolution has no "peak": that's a very misguided look at it.

I think that was a joke about Mass Effect.

@Maria Caliban  I actually thought that hornless qunari might be a throwback.  But I suppose it could also be a sign of some desired trait they're lookig for too.

@Jonata:  I did not nknow that.  Interesting.

[Fredward]

Nightdragon8 wrote...
,,,, really people... you do know there are people born without arms or legs right? it would be the Kossith equvalit of that. It can happen it will happen.

Not really. As far as we know Qunari don't actually use their horns for walking on and/or eating/knitting/petting cats.

Jonata wrote...
It's not that weird. In South Africa,
young men get their own front teeth surgically removed to look badass
and "sexy". I assume that if there were people born without their front
teeth they'd be considered just as much badass in SA. Different culture
can have very different perceptions of things like claws, horns or fangs
and it's not impossible that not having them can be considered more
dangerous than actually having these "natural weapons".

A relatively niche sub-culture. And women do it too.

[Das Tentakel]

Catroi wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...


Also genetic mutation is not THAT weird.

you can use all the lore that you want but THIS is not genetic mutation and is scientificaly impossible, it's like saying that a woman giving birth to a dog is genetic mutation.
Mutations don't change your species as far as I know

You're forgetting the awesome mutagenic power of the Rule of Cool (well, at least BioWare's version of it).
Everything's better with horns...

[Bionuts]

Maybe most hornless Qunari are bald. This would lead to them looking like a large penis.

[Amberion]

Catroi wrote...

here i'm gona explain to you all why we have hornless qunari:

Bioware haz no money/time left at the end of DA:O's development
Bioware decides to finish stuff cheapely/quickly
Bioware reskins a human model and calls it a Qunari
Here is Sten.

There are no other reasons and Sten's look doesnt make sence in the lore but we have to suspend our disbelief and consider him a Qunari instead of a tall guy.
It would have been easier if BW just admitted it in the first place instead of creating a convulted canon by saying that Sten's look was totally that of a hornless qunari.
If they'd just come open about it and said "yeah we didnt have time to make him like we wanted to" it's have been so much easier for certain people to deal with it.

Actually it's the other way around. When developing DAO and Sten's character, they decided to make a very large humanoid, and called him a Qunari. When DA2 development happened, they decided that Sten hadn't been inhuman enough in appearance, and added horns to Qunari in general and indicated that it was STEN that was the anomaly. This was to make the differences between Humans and Qunari more apparent as it seems a lot of people just looked at Sten and said 'isn't he just a very large human?'

[MisanthropePrime]

Mutations don't change your species as far as I know

That's exactly what mutations do, actually.

[AppealToReason]

So what I've gathered is that hornless Qunari are basically the X-Men

[Iakus]

Filament wrote...

Ehh. I just think of the difference between a great dane and a poodle. And imagine that this kind of tinkering is exactly what qunari have been doing to their own species for who knows how long. I can dig it.

That's kinda what I'm figuring.

But what I wonder is, why do the qunari think their "poodles" are tougher and scarier-looking than their 'great danes"

[AppealToReason]

iakus wrote...

Filament wrote...

Ehh. I just think of the difference between a great dane and a poodle. And imagine that this kind of tinkering is exactly what qunari have been doing to their own species for who knows how long. I can dig it.

That's kinda what I'm figuring.

But what I wonder is, why do the qunari think their "poodles" are tougher and scarier-looking than their 'great danes"

Amongst them having no horns is foreign and to most peoples foriegn things are intimidating or scary

Modifié par AppealToReason, 04 août 2013 - 05:38 .

[Maria Caliban]

Presumably, if they'd had more time and money, they'd have given the qunari horns in DA:O. Which would mean creating a bunch of helmet models just for Sten.

[Iakus]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Presumably, if they'd had more time and money, they'd have given the qunari horns in DA:O. Which would mean creating a bunch of helmet models just for Sten.

On the other hand, they'd have saved resources on Sten's armor since he'd have been shirtless the whole time 

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Sten isn't the only hornless Qunari shown in the game, if you accept the "The Trials of Crow" mission then you get to hunt down Qunari mercenaries who all look exactly like Sten with armor, no horns and brownish skin.

So yeah, it's pretty obvious Bioware really didn't work much on the Qunari in the first game.

[blod007]

majolaine had a hornless mage ready to welcome you in Denerim. He was hiding in the kitchen...cookie hunting.

So, am right in thinking, high sugar intake + no horns= very grumpy kossith/quanari/tal-vashoth

[Das Tentakel]

iakus wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Presumably, if they'd had more time and money, they'd have given the qunari horns in DA:O. Which would mean creating a bunch of helmet models just for Sten.

On the other hand, they'd have saved resources on Sten's armor since he'd have been shirtless the whole time 

Hmmm...would be an excellent title for a new comic set in the Qunari homeland. 'Shirtless in Seheron' :innocent:

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 04 août 2013 - 05:55 .

[Lord Gremlin]

To OP:
It has nothing to do with horns being a natural weapon and everything to do with hornless Qunari being recruited as government agents. People usually kinda scared of government agents, because everyone has some dark secrets.