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[JamesFaith]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Anything Bioware comes up with that is not Shepard related will pale in comparison to what we got and what we have now...

Didn't I see exactly same thing claimed about every game from BW since Baldurs Game 2, including ME which was compared with KOTOR?

[PrinceLionheart]

Han Shot First wrote...

The hero sacrificing himself is no more overdone than the hero getting to ride off into the sunset. There are a multitude of examples of both in fiction and neither is more cliché than the other.

The big difference though is the former has become an increasing trend in video games. Assassin's Creed, God of War, inFamous, Red Dead Redemption.

[rashie]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

so I think Bioware is between a rock and a hard place either way but if it were me i would just bring Shepard back and role with it good or bad, then and only then would i consider a different take on things. But I don't feel as though it is time to let Shepard go after what happened with ME3. Of course we want something new but it just does not feel like the time.

Now if Shepard died undeniably at the end of ME3 then yeah, but there are still to many questions. No more Master Chief, no more Master Chief, oops look what happened.

Worth pointing out that Halo 4 was made by a different company then the original Bungie,when Halo 3 was supposed to be the end of Master Chief's story, which means it was not the original creators decision to bring him back.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Han Shot First wrote...

The hero sacrificing himself is no more overdone than the hero getting to ride off into the sunset. There are a multitude of examples of both in fiction and neither is more cliché than the other.

It's not the death of the hero in itself that is objectionable, though I would argue that "mature," epic narratives tend to kill off their protagonist in misguided attempts to inject "realism" and "profundity" into their story wrapped up in big emotional package. What is objectionable is the conflation of heroism with death, especially senseless death. The whole glamourisation of tragedy, it's just this bizarre cultural phenomenon that's hardly exclusive to literature, and more than a bit repugnant. Having to die to achieve an end is always a loss. And there's nothing "cool" or poetic about perishing violently, not by your own hand, that of others, or as uncounted collateral. Dead is dead. You can call its various iterations "noble" as well and as long as you like, but nothing changes that.

It's taxing when authors think that indiscriminate and plentiful death in and of itself makes for depth and poignance. It's worse when that belief translates to the inevitable ham-handed messianic parallelism. Nah, I'm good. I think we can all do without more of that K-Mart Jesus sh*t.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 06 août 2013 - 08:03 .

[chidingewe8036]

Let me put it this way..........MASS EFFECT 2 and The Suicide Mission theme was the end of the trilogy. Just go back and listen to the Suicide Mission theme, ya'll no wassup!!!!!

End Thread.

[JamesFaith]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Let me put it this way..........MASS EFFECT 2 and The Suicide Mission theme was the end of the trilogy. Just go back and listen to the Suicide Mission theme, ya'll no wassup!!!!!

End Thread.

Nope, I'm still preferring new hero.

[Daniel_N7]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

The hero sacrificing himself is no more overdone than the hero getting to ride off into the sunset. There are a multitude of examples of both in fiction and neither is more cliché than the other.

It's not the death of the hero in itself that is objectionable, though I would argue that "mature," epic narratives tend to kill off their protagonist in misguided attempts to inject "realism" and "profundity" into their story wrapped up in big emotional package. What is objectionable is the conflation of heroism with death, especially senseless death. The whole glamourisation of tragedy, it's just this bizarre cultural phenomenon that's hardly exclusive to literature, and more than a bit repugnant. Having to die to achieve an end is always a loss. And there's nothing "cool" or poetic about perishing violently, not by your own hand, that of others, or as uncounted collateral. Dead is dead. You can call its various iterations "noble" as well and as long as you like, but nothing changes that.

It's taxing when authors think that indiscriminate and plentiful death in and of itself makes for depth and poignance. It's worse when that belief translates to the inevitable ham-handed messianic parallelism. Nah, I'm good. I think we can all do without more of that K-Mart Jesus sh*t.

I agree that there's been a tendency in some video games (and in certain films as well) to seek an impactful ending through the gratuituous sacrifice of the main character. I'm not saying a tragic hero's death can't be a meaningful resolution to a narrative. But take a look at The Last of Us, which is a trully memorable ending, and a complete inversion of conventional formulas of storytelling.

[BobZilla84]

I have mixed feelings about this on one hand I agree that Shepards story is over but I also hated the rather pathetic way it was ended not the endings themselves mind you but rather Mass Effect 3 itself. I really hope that Mass Effect 3 was a rushed game because if not the future of the series isn't looking to good bad writing and poor choices ruined Mass Effect 3 in my opinion the entire game should been at the least Citadel DLC Quality from start to finish. And to that I wouldn't mind them bringing Shepard back for Mass Effect 4 to get the resolution to the trilogy that was handled so poorly in Mass Effect 3.

[OneMore1968]

I too have mixed feelings, the whole series is probably the best I have played. I am sorry to see Shepard go but how would you justify another reincarnation of the character that was brought back from the dead for ME2. Don't really trust BW would be able to create an engaging plot and story which followed this path.

So to that end, although I was disappointed in how the story ended which was in stark contrast to the previous 7uality of the trilogy, I can live with it and think that it is time to leave Shepard's story and create a new, e7ually brilliant character. You can do it BW (hopefully!)

[Sanunes]

I personally am really interested in the new IP they are working on and seeing if playing it for the first time will be like when I played Mass Effect 1 for the first time.  Looking back to Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 I brought baggage from the previous games with thoughts of "it better have better 'x' " or "I hope 'x' is stil in it" and I think I would be doing the same with the next Mass Effect game because of how I felt with the last section of Mass Effect 3, but with a new IP I won't have the same problem.

As far as Shepard goes I have mixed feelings, but at the same time if Shepard returns I believe the quality of the game would diminish for they would probably have to find something more dire then the Reapers for Shepard to defeat or it would feel odd, but its saying goodbye to an old friend as well.

[Seival]

Shepard's story is over.
Devs know when to stop and this is very good.
I don't wanna MEU to be turned into some cheap-never-ending-story-of-the-same-protagonist.

[Eshaye]

Seival wrote...

Shepard's story is over.
Devs know when to stop and this is very good.
I don't wanna MEU to be turned into some cheap-never-ending-story-of-the-same-protagonist.

Nope instead it's going to be some cheap-never-ending-story-of-another-protagonist. 

Not that I want Shepard back, I don't, I just want to see what comes after ME3 timeline and I doubt that's the next game :S And that bugs me. 

[BassStyles]

Ahhhh GenoBoost, I always like his vids and his Remember Me vid is actually my favorite. I'm a Mirimancer but Ashley was my LI in ME1 and Geno did that vid exceptionally well.

As for Shep in the next game, I could go either way. Continuation of Shep (somehow that incorporates ending choices) or new everything set post ME3 or some alternate reality. I just want more ME.

[Invisible Man]

It would be a hard call for me -- if it were mine to make. I loved my shepards, all… 7 of them. bringing back shep at this point would be a mistake though, IMHO. however, ending shepard’s tale the way s/he ended… it actually kind of makes me wish bw would bring back shepard so s/he could have an ending worthy of him or her.
 
And you don’t need a harder enemy to kill to make the game seem worthy of being played with shepard… you only need a more complex or difficult situation or situations, the enemies themselves don’t need to be more epic then reapers; you just need an equally epic crisis. If that makes any sense to anyone.

(it's kind of late, so plz ignore any grammar or spelling mishaps)

[chidingewe8036]

I think all the people that don't want Shepard back in the next game or they think his story is finished will purchase and play the game regardless of whether he comes back or not. Bioware may have said Shepard is done but if he is not I highly HIGHLY doubt anyone would complain. Matter of fact when ME4 or whatever it will be called is revealed there will probably be more complaints if he does not come back than if he does.

[Synthetic Moose]

I hope Shepard returns, if he/she survived. Not as the main character, though. I would'nt mind playing as Shepard's son/daughter. Assuming that Shepard had a love interest.

[JamesFaith]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

I think all the people that don't want Shepard back in the next game or they think his story is finished will purchase and play the game regardless of whether he comes back or not. Bioware may have said Shepard is done but if he is not I highly HIGHLY doubt anyone would complain. Matter of fact when ME4 or whatever it will be called is revealed there will probably be more complaints if he does not come back than if he does.

And same can be said about people demanding return of Shepard.

It is all just crystal-ball talks. 

[AlanC9]

He's got a point. Bringing Shepard back would make the game much, much worse, but it's not inconceivable that I'd buy it anyway,

[themikefest]

I like to see femshep come back only to give her better closure to her story.

I do believe the next game will have nothing to do with the trilogy at all. I am more interested in the game after. If they choose to bring femshep back they will have a few years to come up with something new and different.

I would also ask all Boiware employees who worked on the trilogy if they would like to continue Shepard's story. If they don't I wouldn't and if they do, I would..

[Dreamdancer]

I'd rather like to see Shephard back in Me4. Once. At the beginning. After another catastrophe has hit the galaxy that makes the Reapers look like toddlers in a milk bar, the Alliance remembers their former hero. You know, the one who's now happily living with his/her LI on some lush planet with a secret weapon cache below his/her living room ... oh, wrong movie...

So when the Alliance asks a much older Shep to help them once again, s/he just lovingly looks at his/her LI and says:
"Buzz off. I have a live now."

Apart from that? No thanks. I've loved Shep, but his journey is over.

[Daniel_N7]

They can make great Mass Effect games in the future with and without Shepard. Personally, I would prefer "with" but I'll play them either way.

[Zakuspec089]

I did like to play Shepard again but I'm tired of Shepard Story though which I love Shepard. I'm willing and want to play a new character, try and play other species in The Next Mass Effect. Shepard is done, their story finished.

In order to play Shepard again they would have to redo the ending or something from Mass Effect 3 which they won't and probably won't do. I'm looking forward to other stories, playing new species and characters.

Modifié par Zakuspec089, 14 août 2013 - 03:11 .

[Big I]

My hope is that the next one or two games in Mass Effect have new protagonists, but that further down the road they bring Shepard back for a new story set after ME3.