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[Sparbiter]

That title may be confusing, but it's the best way I could think to sum it up. Also, I apologize for what became a rather lengthy post. I was trying to be as concise as possible.

I'm currently doing a "canon" playthrough for mass effect, all three games. I've done multiple playthroughs, but they're mostly just to see the different story arcs. In this one, I try to make the decisions that I know my Shepard would make, trying not to use hindsight (for example, I know that Rana in ME1 can be shot for working with Saren or let go. If you let her go, in ME3 she is indoctrinated and ends up murdering some officials. My Shepard let her go even though I knew it was a "bad" outcome).

I'm struggling to make sense of what romance arc he should pick, particularly for ME2.

In my original playthrough, I did Liara's recruitment mission last, after Virmire, after Feros, and after Noveria. My romance option was Ashley, because it seemed to be the only option and it's quite easy to romance her by accident just by choosing paragon dialogue options, and Liara just wasn't there for most of my game. My original playthrough was done without reading anything on the game,  which was really awesome. I stayed off the internet entirely.

In ME2, the logic was so perfectly clear it was simple. Ashley turns her back on you, choosing her military loyalty over your relationship (not entirely, but enough). It's easy to draw the lines to my Shepard feeling betrayed or abandoned, and finding comfort in the arms of one of his other options: MIranda, Tali, or Jack.

Given that my Shepard is a good guy, anything with Jack seems out of the question to me, although I understand that she has some very good emotional closure with her relationship. However, my "good guy Shep" can't fall in love with a murderer, so that was no option.

Miranda was a bit trickier, but what sold it for me: if you do the Cerberus side missions in the original, you can bring up those side missions with Miranda. You say something to the effect of: "You were using husks, Thorian creepers, and Rachni to reach your goals."  The problem here is Miranda doesn't give the usual: "Oh, that was some other Cerberus guys, not us" answer, but rather defends that position. I'm sorry, but the idea of my Shepard finding comfort in that person doesn't sit well with me.

The Tali romance option was a perfect fit for my character. Shepard, feeling abandoned by his love interest, finds comfort in someone who remains loyal to him despite her own extreme objections to Cerberus. Her loyalty mission, comforting her when she finds her father, it just seems like that was made for Shepard's who were shot down by Ashley.

So, my first playthrough was very straightforward and simple. Ash, then loyal to Tali until the end.

Now the problem.

This "canon" playthrough, I felt it made more sense for Shepard to choose Liara in ME1. In ME2, Liara doesn't "abandon" you, but she basically shuts you off. She won't join your crew, she has her own priorities (shadow broker), and it's just more of an indifference to you. I'm not sure if this justifies moving on or not, and since this thread is about the logic behind the choice, it's really important to me.

I don't know what to do with this arc. Miranda and Jack are still no go for me on this playthrough because my Shepard is mostly a good guy, so my options are down to remaining loyal or again going with Tali, both good options.

Can anyone give me some insight? I'm really actually stuck.

[HellbirdIV]

Wipe the slate clean and start over with Kaidan?

[garrus and ashley squad]

Probably just go with tali, never jack. for gods sake don't pick jack. If you really want something different go with Miranda. She gets a lot better and generally does care about you and people. She just shows it in a crazy way.

[DeinonSlayer]

Nobody here can tell you who your Shepard is. I had four of them, each with a different (headcanon) backstory guiding their actions, and the pieces just fell into place.

Nolan: None-Tali-Tali
Laura: Kaidan-None-Kaidan
Jane: Liara-Garrus-Garrus
Jayne: Ashley-Kelly/Jack/Miranda-None

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 04 août 2013 - 05:34 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Svetlana: Liara - Thane (dead by swarm) - Liara (LotSB after mission) - Liara
Kira: Liara - none - Liara (LotSB) - Liara
Nadia: started Kaidan (dead) - Jacob - none Control ending. -- Thanks Bioware.

There were others, just they haven't made it to 3.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 04 août 2013 - 05:47 .

[hiraeth]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Nobody here can tell you who your Shepard is.

Yeah, I don't really know that there's a single logic for romance options (e.g., there are plenty of "good guy" Sheps out there who had the opposites-attract thing going with Jack). My only advice is to put yourself in Shepard's shoes and imagine how you'd feel and what you'd do. Maybe Ashley was just too cold, so in the midst of the suicide mission you went to Tali for affection. Maybe Liara, because she wasn't as cold as Ashley was, would instead pull you toward staying loyal. For me, I stayed loyal to Kaidan, in part because I didn't like any of the ME2 romance options as much as I liked Kaidan, and in part because if I were in that situation, that's what I imagine I'd do.

[Redbelle]

Choose no one in ME1 and pick Tali or Garrus?

[Iakus]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Nobody here can tell you who your Shepard is.

Bioware can, or think they can

But for the purposes of OP's question, yeah, pick whatever feels right.  I have no problem romancing Ash even after Horizon and such.  TIM's manipulating events, trying to keep the two apart.  but the trth will come out!

[o Ventus]

Why does "good guy" preclude Miranda or Jack?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

iakus wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Nobody here can tell you who your Shepard is.

Bioware can, or think they can

But for the purposes of OP's question, yeah, pick whatever feels right.  I have no problem romancing Ash even after Horizon and such.  TIM's manipulating events, trying to keep the two apart.  but the trth will come out!

Ditto to the first point.

Miranda is my one and only choice, for the reasons here.

Ashley turned her back on Shepard and everything he stood for simply because he wasn't wearing the same jersey of her beloved alliance. She's too narrow-minded to be suitable. Ashley in my opinion represents the worst of humanity.

I disagree completely with the OP's assertions on characters, but remind him that it's your Shepard. Do whatever you want with him.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 04 août 2013 - 08:30 .

[Pee Jae]

I never pick Ash anymore. Mostly because of the whole turning her back on you thing in ME2. That hurt. And then she brings it up again in 3? Pfft. Bye. I was over you 7 months ago.

But, her relationship is just so... dull. She hardly says anything to you. And then there's just her regular dialogue. You bring peace to the geth and the quarians. She hates geth. Understandably, after Eden Prime. What does she say about that?

"Glad you got those two groups together."
"Hope the peace lasts."

Really? REALLY? That's it? That's it. I thought they'd redeem it a bit in the Citadel dlc. Nope. Drink a few shots, Star Wars reference. Seeya.

tl;dr Go with Miranda. I like Ash, I like her VA. Her character sucks.

Modifié par t_skwerl, 04 août 2013 - 08:22 .

[Element Engine]

I romanced Ashley in the first game, then hooked up with Miranda in the second. By ME3 I ended all romances. I played Shepard with the mentality that he wasn't going to make it out of the war alive.

No time for love, Dr. Shepard!

[AlanC9]

Sparbiter wrote...


This "canon" playthrough, I felt it made more sense for Shepard to choose Liara in ME1. In ME2, Liara doesn't "abandon" you, but she basically shuts you off. She won't join your crew, she has her own priorities (shadow broker), and it's just more of an indifference to you. I'm not sure if this justifies moving on or not, and since this thread is about the logic behind the choice, it's really important to me.

So it's Miranda, Jack, Liara, Ash, or Tali. First two are out because of morality, Liara's out because you didn't like the way she acts in ME2 (do you have LotSB?). That leaves Ash and Tali.

How about going with whichever one feels right in the moment?

[Andrew Lucas]

I romanced ash in me1 and stayed " faithfull" to the end of the trilogy but i decided to do another playthroug and fell in love with Miranda,she support every choice you and trust ,she is my LI.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

I usually start with Ashley, let her get nuked in ME1, and then go with Tali in 2 and 3.

[Element Engine]

Tali's another romance that always felt weird to me. It's got a serious 'creepy older professor hits on his student' vibe. Tali will always be the loveable dorky teenager.

[Gewehr_fr]

I always feel like Liara is the "right" romance in ME1 because how hard she fought to get Shepard's corpse back for the Lazarus project. Only love or very strong frendship could justify such determination. It felt very far-fetched with my Shep who romanced Ashley and only rescued Liara post-Virmire with barely any time to get to know eachother.

In ME2, pretty much anyone. You may very well get angry at Liara for how she acts towards Shep, break up and fall into someone's else arms. Tali seems like the best choice for a paragon Shepard. That's actually the playthrough I'm doing at the moment. Or stay faithful to Liara if you truly love her (which is my canon playthrough).

I feel like Jack and Miranda requires at least a little bit of renegade-ness indeed.

Utltimately it does'nt really matter but yeah.

Modifié par Gewehr_fr, 04 août 2013 - 09:56 .

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Element Engine wrote...

Tali's another romance that always felt weird to me. It's got a serious 'creepy older professor hits on his student' vibe. Tali will always be the loveable dorky teenager.

Technically, Liara is the youngest one. In the first game she says she's little more than a child. Tali starts the first game as a [very] young adult.

Perhaps ironically, I think Tali has the most realistically-written character out of all the female leads. At least, emotionally. Liara just changes way too much in personality in the span of 3 years. I don't think that's entirely plausible, since Asari aren't really supposed to do that--the quick-thinking, emotional adaptability of humans is what makes them stand out from other races (except perhaps for the Quarians themselves).

[Andrew Lucas]

I dont even want to think about Diana.

[Barquiel]

DaftArbiter wrote...

Element Engine wrote...

Tali's another romance that always felt weird to me. It's got a serious 'creepy older professor hits on his student' vibe. Tali will always be the loveable dorky teenager.

Technically, Liara is the youngest one. In the first game she says she's little more than a child. Tali starts the first game as a [very] young adult.
 

The Asari reach adulthood sometime between 40 and 60 years old, and Liara is 106 when Shepard meets  her on Therum.

Tali was on her rite of passage into adulthood in ME1.

[Kataphrut94]

Jack actually works well as a good-guy romance, since it's all about making her come to terms with her issues and ultimately make her a better person.

If you want to stay with Tali come ME3, then go for it. She's not in it for as long as Liara, but Liara isn't particularly good anyway.

[Mr.House]

JShepardN7 wrote...

I dont even want to think about Diana.

What's wrong with a potato head with a pornstar body?

[wolfhowwl]

Mr.House wrote...

JShepardN7 wrote...

I dont even want to think about Diana.

What's wrong with a potato head with a pornstar body?

Indeed. Miranda is pretty popular.

[Steelcan]

Liara and Tali both creep me out.

Liara and her stalker vibes and inability to understand "its over", Tali and her hero worship + naivete.