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Fixers0 wrote...

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As I've brought up before, the asari could probably rule the entire galaxy with a biotic fist if they wanted to - the whole point is that they don't, and strive for peaceful coexistence. That's the whole point of Liara's arguments with Javik!


They would be absolutely pwnd by the Alliance though.,


Well, the Asari navy is several times larger than humanity's. But then again humans are "special." :whistle:

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wolfhowwl wrote...
Well, the Asari navy is several times larger than humanity's. But then again humans are "special." :whistle:


Like those crude, outlandish  boltbags the Asari call ships have any chance at all against the finest human engineering.

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If you really want something different go with Miranda. She gets a lot better and generally does care about you and people. She just shows it in a crazy way.


Thats actually remarkably astute. 

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Tali is the logical choice

Miranda- nice girl but an ice queen
Jack- psycho but not her fault
Liara- stalker 100% her fault
Ashley- racist dies on Virmire every single time
Kelly- nice girl but not a fan of redheads

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 Well you know Tali falls for shepard during ME1, she just keeps it to herself until ME2.  Personally I love the loyal friend turned lover story arc that both Tali and Garrus have.  I also like romances with characters that have been in every game . So my vote is Tali .Ok so you don’t get a “romance” with her during me1 but what you get in return is a Loyal LI that never leaves shepard’s side. Also I think her romance arc flows a lot better compared to others. Liara, while arguably having lots of content is very on again off again.   It lacks consistency. Tali’s builds up to something , there is no regression in the romance.

So really it’s up to you. If you want lots and lots of romance as possible across 3 games go for Liara. But
if you want shepard to have a relationship with someone that spans 3 games and just grows and grows go for Tali.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 06 août 2013 - 09:05 .


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Hyrule_Gal wrote...

 Well you know Tali falls for shepard during ME1, she just keeps it to herself until ME2.  Personally I love the loyal friend turned lover story arc that both Tali and Garrus have.  I also like romances with characters that have been in every game . So my vote is Tali .Ok so you don’t get a “romance” with her during me1 but what you get in return is a Loyal LI that never leaves shepard’s side. Also I think her romance arc flows a lot better compared to others. Liara, while arguably having lots of content is very on again off again.   It lacks consistency. Tali’s builds up to something , there is no regression in the romance.

So really it’s up to you. If you want lots and lots of romance as possible across 3 games go for Liara. But
if you want shepard to have a relationship with someone that spans 3 games and just grows and grows go for Tali.



My thoughts exactly, the loyal friend turned lover story arc with Tali is a very good romance overall. It's also good with Garrus as a FemShep romance option.

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 Liara, while arguably having lots of content is very on again off again.   It lacks consistency. Tali’s builds up to something , there is no regression in the romance.


Hm, I actually like that their relationship has experienced some ups and downs. I want there to be some conflict (like Liara not dropping everything on Ilium to join the Normandy). Liara has her own agenda in ME2, and that's a good thing...at least in my opinion. Their conflicts were important to portray her as an equal partner for Shepard, and I feel as if their relationship is more balanced in ME2/LotSB and ME3.

Modifié par Barquiel, 06 août 2013 - 09:45 .


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I've said it before and I'll say it again; FemShep x Liara has the best chemistry of any pairing, especially with the more elaborate romance content in LotSB and ME3.

My second favorite is Garrus but honestly, he's just better as Shepard's Main BroTurian, not a lover - the marksman contest on the Citadel, the macho banter between them, just seems better suited to close friends.

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The kiss in Lair of the Shadow Broker is not only my favorite moment in Mass Effect, but my favorite moment in all fiction. And it wouldn't have been possible without Liara and Shepard's relationship being strained. Great triumph cannot exist without great conflict.

Modifié par David7204, 06 août 2013 - 09:50 .


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Barquiel wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

 Liara, while arguably having lots of content is very on again off again.   It lacks consistency. Tali’s builds up to something , there is no regression in the romance.


Hm, I actually like that their relationship has experienced some ups and downs. I want there to be some conflict (like Liara not dropping everything on Ilium to join the Normandy). Liara has her own agenda in ME2, and that's a good thing...at least in my opinion. Their conflicts were important to portray her as an equal partner for Shepard, and I feel as if their relationship is more balanced in ME2/LotSB and ME3.




Maybe so, but I personally felt ME3 turned her into a stalker with all the forced interaction with her like after the dreams not to mention all the missions where she is a squadmate you have no choice but to bring along.

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Play as femshep

romance no one in ME1 or ME2 and then romance Samantha in ME3. She is a very intelligent, good-looking character. She did very well in the Citadel dlc.

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There's utterly nothing wrong with 'forced interaction' between the protagonist and other characters.

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David7204 wrote...

There's utterly nothing wrong with 'forced interaction' between the protagonist and other characters.


I felt in ME3 there was a bit too much forced interaction with Liara at times it felt like I was in a Liara romance instead of a Tali romance.

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Liara and Shepard are canonically friends. Liara coming up to Shepard's cabin regardless of how she's been treated was probably a but much, but I don't really see any other problems.

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Liara and Shepard are canonically friends. Liara coming up to Shepard's cabin regardless of how she's been treated was probably a but much, but I don't really see any other problems.


The only other problems is all the missions where she is a forced squadmate and how she has to be on the Normandy, can't see why she cant do her Shadow Broker business elsewhere or you can't have her not on the Normandy like with Kadian/Ashley after the coup attempt.

If it was possible I'd trade Liara for an ME2 squadmate like Kasumi, Jacob or Zaeed for example. But that's just me as I felt the ME2 squadmates got the short end of the stick and there were too few squadmates in ME3.

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dublin omega 223 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

 Liara, while arguably having lots of content is very on again off again.   It lacks consistency. Tali’s builds up to something , there is no regression in the romance.


Hm, I actually like that their relationship has experienced some ups and downs. I want there to be some conflict (like Liara not dropping everything on Ilium to join the Normandy). Liara has her own agenda in ME2, and that's a good thing...at least in my opinion. Their conflicts were important to portray her as an equal partner for Shepard, and I feel as if their relationship is more balanced in ME2/LotSB and ME3.




Maybe so, but I personally felt ME3 turned her into a stalker with all the forced interaction with her like after the dreams not to mention all the missions where she is a squadmate you have no choice but to bring along.


Liara knocks on your door and you invite her in (because the salarian councilor has contacted you). She also asks if this a bad time. And now explain to me how this is stalking. And other squadmates have their "special" missions as well.

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David7204 wrote...

Liara and Shepard are canonically friends. Liara coming up to Shepard's cabin regardless of how she's been treated was probably a but much, but I don't really see any other problems.

And it is a failing that such relationships are forced

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The kiss in Lair of the Shadow Broker is not only my favorite moment in Mass Effect, but my favorite moment in all fiction. And it wouldn't have been possible without Liara and Shepard's relationship being strained. Great triumph cannot exist without great conflict.


"Shepard, you're alive again! I want to make love to you! But I can't. Because I'm smart. Until you make me lead the Shadow Broker's organization!"

There's no strain. Shepard's dead. Then he's not. There's no change. It's pretty much a sign of Mac Walters being too much in love with his own creation. And bias on your part. It's also a pretty low standard. Possibly ****** material.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 06 août 2013 - 10:18 .


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Liara knocks on your door and you invite her in (because the salarian councilor has contacted you). She also asks if this a bad time. And now explain to me how this is stalking. And other squadmates have their "special" missions as well.

Willful ignorance or just simple delusion...... I can't decide....

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Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara and Shepard are canonically friends. Liara coming up to Shepard's cabin regardless of how she's been treated was probably a but much, but I don't really see any other problems.

And it is a failing that such relationships are forced

Indeed it is. 

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Barquiel wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

 Liara, while arguably having lots of content is very on again off again.   It lacks consistency. Tali’s builds up to something , there is no regression in the romance.


Hm, I actually like that their relationship has experienced some ups and downs. I want there to be some conflict (like Liara not dropping everything on Ilium to join the Normandy). Liara has her own agenda in ME2, and that's a good thing...at least in my opinion. Their conflicts were important to portray her as an equal partner for Shepard, and I feel as if their relationship is more balanced in ME2/LotSB and ME3.




Maybe so, but I personally felt ME3 turned her into a stalker with all the forced interaction with her like after the dreams not to mention all the missions where she is a squadmate you have no choice but to bring along.


Liara knocks on your door and you invite her in (because the salarian councilor has contacted you). She also asks if this a bad time. And now explain to me how this is stalking. And other squadmates have their "special" missions as well.


They don't have as many forced missions as Liara does.

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Ultimately, the Council exists to maintain galactic stability in citadel space ("Citadel space is an unofficial term referring to any region of space controlled by a species that acknowledge the authority of the Citadel Council").

They've done it for thousand of years. They don't conquer other races. They don't force other races to open an embassy on the citadel. And if you don't like how the council handles things? Close your embassy! The batarians don't acknowledge the authority of the Citadel Council and nobody controls them, they can build as many dreadnoughts as they want, etc.

Yes, there are worse things.

The Council exists to perpetuate its own power over other races.  You don't have to join, but look at what happens when you don't....


I'm not sure  that's actually a charge one can lead against the council....

The batarians closed their embassy (and according to Jacob's bactstory, this was to cover up their attempt at blowing up the councillors) and the council did nothing.

There doesn't seem to be anything stopping anyone from actually LEAVING and doing their own thing....

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I agree with OP. Jack is the best.

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dublin omega 223 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

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Hyrule_Gal wrote...

 Liara, while arguably having lots of content is very on again off again.   It lacks consistency. Tali’s builds up to something , there is no regression in the romance.


Hm, I actually like that their relationship has experienced some ups and downs. I want there to be some conflict (like Liara not dropping everything on Ilium to join the Normandy). Liara has her own agenda in ME2, and that's a good thing...at least in my opinion. Their conflicts were important to portray her as an equal partner for Shepard, and I feel as if their relationship is more balanced in ME2/LotSB and ME3.




Maybe so, but I personally felt ME3 turned her into a stalker with all the forced interaction with her like after the dreams not to mention all the missions where she is a squadmate you have no choice but to bring along.


Liara knocks on your door and you invite her in (because the salarian councilor has contacted you). She also asks if this a bad time. And now explain to me how this is stalking. And other squadmates have their "special" missions as well.


They don't have as many forced missions as Liara does.


Both Thessia and Mars are short missions compared to the quarian story arc or Cronos. And you didn't answer the question.

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dublin omega 223 wrote...

The only other problems is all the missions where she is a forced squadmate and how she has to be on the Normandy, can't see why she cant do her Shadow Broker business elsewhere or you can't have her not on the Normandy like with Kadian/Ashley after the coup attempt.


Liara is the secondary protagonist of the series though. It'd be like not having Gandalf in Lord of the Rings.

It seems like people want to get rid of Liara without really understanding her place in the story. No, her role couldn't be filled by someone else, because it's her role, written with her in mind. She's really too important to the relevant themes and story points throughout Mass Effect that her absence would utterly harpoon the story - hell, LotSB is great and all that, but Liara's role should have been greater in ME2 to begin with.

It's really messed up that when you're essentially "unifying the races" for your suicide mission, the only asari you get is the introverted religious semi-hermit.