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[wolfhowwl]

Barquiel wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Her role could easily be filled by traynor.

No, it couldn't.

Y'know what's funny, though? Miranda could have been completley excised from the franchise and replaced with... Liara. It'd have made sense, had more emotional relevance, and gotten rid of the potato-faced abomination.

I'm sorry, I'm having trouble hearing your point over how bad it is.

You're just white-knighting for Liara and just going around 'my waifu is dah bestest ever'.

I'd normally worry about people taking this point seriously, but I think your post will speak for itself.

Because people seem to want to hold characters to different standards. Liara for example NEEDS a reason to be on the ship, and if someone doesn't give a concrete reason why she's there they want her gone. Garrus, James or Tali on the other hand don't need a reason...they  should be there because, I guess. Or why can't Traynor monitor military comm traffic for the Alliance on Hacketts ship? I want Kelly back! etc...

Tali is a particularily egregious example considering she's an Admiral and should be helping her people instead of dicking around with Shepard.

Also the sleuthing material should have logically gone to the Shadow Broker but I guess Bioware needed to give Traynor a reason to exist on the ship besides being a LI.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 06 août 2013 - 10:47 .

[dublin omega 223]

KaiserShep wrote...

Here's to hoping that another nigh unkillable asari follows the protagonist in the next game.

If its Liara , if the next game is set 300 years into the future I'll scream.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

It's arguments like these that make this forum hard for everyone else.

[Steelcan]

HellbirdIV wrote...

I don't see how Liara being written specifically as the primary love interest and secondary protagonist somehow "forces" the romance on you.

It is perfectly possible - and indeed, fairly easy - to avoid romance with her completley. Liara still falls for Shepard, but it is, at most, referenced by Aethyta at one point.

To me it just seems like you're mad Liara got more attention than whatever less-important character you prefer as your LI. It's not that big of a deal, because literally nothing in the game is stopping you from romancing the character you prefer in your own playthroughs.

  So you think it is ok that Liara gets all this focus and attention, while the ME2 non-dextro romances twist in the wind?

[KaiserShep]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Here's to hoping that another nigh unkillable asari follows the protagonist in the next game.

If its Liara , if the next game is set 300 years into the future I'll scream.

Oh wouldn't THAT be special!

[Steelcan]

That's picture spam, reported

[Barquiel]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

the romance was forced somewhat on players.

This I do not get.

Liara's romance is not forced on the player. Ever. Like, at all.

The only way to romance her in ME3 is to talk to her on the Citadel, after the Citadel Cerberus Coup, and tell her explicitly that you want to be "More than friends". That's it. That's the secret. DON'T CLICK THAT DIALOGUE OPTION.

Also on Mars, after meeting the Council, on the Citadel in several spot does she come off as "I am romancing you whether you like it or not"

Agreed that made me see Liara as a creepy obessive stalker. With a schoolgirl crush on Shepard.

Stop making things up. Liara never brings up the topic if you didn't romance her in ME1. And if you did romance her...there are some people who want to continue her romance arc, you know.

[wolfhowwl]

Steelcan wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

I don't see how Liara being written specifically as the primary love interest and secondary protagonist somehow "forces" the romance on you.

It is perfectly possible - and indeed, fairly easy - to avoid romance with her completley. Liara still falls for Shepard, but it is, at most, referenced by Aethyta at one point.

To me it just seems like you're mad Liara got more attention than whatever less-important character you prefer as your LI. It's not that big of a deal, because literally nothing in the game is stopping you from romancing the character you prefer in your own playthroughs.

  So you think it is ok that Liara gets all this focus and attention, while the ME2 non-dextro romances twist in the wind?

Yeah, ME2 squad members getting the shaft is another issue. If only you guys had screamed as loudly as Team Dextro...

One might think that given Cerberus' rather prominent role in the plot and her plot armor in the suicide mission, Miranda would have had a bigger role in ME3.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 06 août 2013 - 10:52 .

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

Stop making things up. Liara never brings up the topic if you didn't romance her in ME1. And if you did romance her...there are some people who want to continue her romance arc, you know.

And some of us picked a bugged option we thought would shut her up, but no, romance initiated.  Two game slater and I'm still telling her to screw off.

Modifié par Steelcan, 06 août 2013 - 10:51 .

[dublin omega 223]

Steelcan wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

I don't see how Liara being written specifically as the primary love interest and secondary protagonist somehow "forces" the romance on you.

It is perfectly possible - and indeed, fairly easy - to avoid romance with her completley. Liara still falls for Shepard, but it is, at most, referenced by Aethyta at one point.

To me it just seems like you're mad Liara got more attention than whatever less-important character you prefer as your LI. It's not that big of a deal, because literally nothing in the game is stopping you from romancing the character you prefer in your own playthroughs.

  So you think it is ok that Liara gets all this focus and attention, while the ME2 non-dextro romances twist in the wind?

Good question all the squadmates from ME2 got the shaft. Not right that useless Shadow Broker got a squad spot instead of one of them, I'd trade for Grunt, Mordin or anyone really heck even Udina could take her place.

He'd be good as bait for the Reapers.

[dublin omega 223]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

I don't see how Liara being written specifically as the primary love interest and secondary protagonist somehow "forces" the romance on you.

It is perfectly possible - and indeed, fairly easy - to avoid romance with her completley. Liara still falls for Shepard, but it is, at most, referenced by Aethyta at one point.

To me it just seems like you're mad Liara got more attention than whatever less-important character you prefer as your LI. It's not that big of a deal, because literally nothing in the game is stopping you from romancing the character you prefer in your own playthroughs.

  So you think it is ok that Liara gets all this focus and attention, while the ME2 non-dextro romances twist in the wind?

One might think that given Cerberus' rather prominent role in the plot and her plot armor in the suicide mission, Miranda would have had a bigger role in ME3.

Very good point there.

[dublin omega 223]

Steelcan wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Stop making things up. Liara never brings up the topic if you didn't romance her in ME1. And if you did romance her...there are some people who want to continue her romance arc, you know.

And some of us picked a bugged option we thought would shut her up, but no, romance initiated.  Two game slater and I'm still telling her to screw off.

So true.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

I don't see how Liara being written specifically as the primary love interest and secondary protagonist somehow "forces" the romance on you.

It is perfectly possible - and indeed, fairly easy - to avoid romance with her completley. Liara still falls for Shepard, but it is, at most, referenced by Aethyta at one point.

To me it just seems like you're mad Liara got more attention than whatever less-important character you prefer as your LI. It's not that big of a deal, because literally nothing in the game is stopping you from romancing the character you prefer in your own playthroughs.

  So you think it is ok that Liara gets all this focus and attention, while the ME2 non-dextro romances twist in the wind?

Yeah, ME2 squad members getting the shaft is another issue. If only you guys had screamed as loudly as Team Dextro...

One might think that given Cerberus' rather prominent role in the plot and her plot armor in the suicide mission, Miranda would have had a bigger role in ME3.

Definitely. Speaking objectively, and trying to keep as much bias out of this as possible, going from what she had in ME2 as a character along with her importance to the plot and her connection to Cerberus (and their massive prominence in ME3), it's mind boggling how she didn't have a larger role or connection to Cerberus in the game.

[spirosz]

spirosz wrote...

I agree with OP. Jack is the best.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

You know, I kind of remember that in the Original Ending, Shepard always thought of Liara, regardless of who you romanced. She was always the final image for a Shepard unless you romanced Kaidan or Ashley (and I've heard that depending on the ending you picked, you still got an image of Liara).

Or how Matriarch Aethyta always commented on Shepard and Liara being together in a relationship. I honestly wish the Asari government organized a hit on Liara.

Tell me that isn't forced. I dare you.

[spirosz]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

You know, I kind of remember that in the Original Ending, Shepard always thought of Liara, regardless of who you romanced. She was always the final image for a Shepard unless you romanced Kaidan or Ashley (and I've heard that depending on the ending you picked, you still got an image of Liara).

Or how Matriarch Aethyta always commented on Shepard and Liara being together in a relationship. I honestly wish the Asari government organized a hit on Liara.

Tell me that isn't forced. I dare you.

^

You already know the argument.  "Bugs/Glitches"

<_<

[dublin omega 223]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

You know, I kind of remember that in the Original Ending, Shepard always thought of Liara, regardless of who you romanced. She was always the final image for a Shepard unless you romanced Kaidan or Ashley (and I've heard that depending on the ending you picked, you still got an image of Liara).

Or how Matriarch Aethyta always commented on Shepard and Liara being together in a relationship. I honestly wish the Asari government organized a hit on Liara.

Tell me that isn't forced. I dare you.

Good question. Even when I played FemShep romancing Kaidan an Image of Liara popped up instead of Kaidan.

[HellbirdIV]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Here's to hoping that another nigh unkillable asari follows the protagonist in the next game.

If its Liara , if the next game is set 300 years into the future I'll scream.

Steelcan wrote...

So you think it is ok that Liara gets all this focus and attention, while the ME2 non-dextro romances twist in the wind?

Yes. I'd rather have one or two well-developed romances getting a lot of focus than several less-developed and mediocre ones (like pretty much all of the ME2 ones...). While it would be nice for all romances to have a lot of content, it's just not feasible for the game.

I'm just lucky Liara is my favorite, really.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

spirosz wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

You know, I kind of remember that in the Original Ending, Shepard always thought of Liara, regardless of who you romanced. She was always the final image for a Shepard unless you romanced Kaidan or Ashley (and I've heard that depending on the ending you picked, you still got an image of Liara).

Or how Matriarch Aethyta always commented on Shepard and Liara being together in a relationship. I honestly wish the Asari government organized a hit on Liara.

Tell me that isn't forced. I dare you.

^

You already know the argument.  "Bugs/Glitches"

<_<

Sounds so contrived, doesn't it?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

You know, I kind of remember that in the Original Ending, Shepard always thought of Liara, regardless of who you romanced. She was always the final image for a Shepard unless you romanced Kaidan or Ashley (and I've heard that depending on the ending you picked, you still got an image of Liara).

Or how Matriarch Aethyta always commented on Shepard and Liara being together in a relationship. I honestly wish the Asari government organized a hit on Liara.

Tell me that isn't forced. I dare you.

I would say that the former was not forced as much as it was simply sheer **** i n g incompetence and lazyness from Bioware's side. And the latter being just one of many bugs. I certainly have not gotten it on my no- Liara-romance Shepards myself.

"edit"

Scratch it, the first one is forced, forced due to incompetence and lazyness on Bioware's side.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 06 août 2013 - 11:04 .

[dublin omega 223]

HellbirdIV wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Here's to hoping that another nigh unkillable asari follows the protagonist in the next game.

If its Liara , if the next game is set 300 years into the future I'll scream.

Steelcan wrote...

So you think it is ok that Liara gets all this focus and attention, while the ME2 non-dextro romances twist in the wind?

Yes. I'd rather have one or two well-developed romances getting a lot of focus than several less-developed and mediocre ones (like pretty much all of the ME2 ones...). While it would be nice for all romances to have a lot of content, it's just not feasible for the game.

I'm just lucky Liara is my favorite, really.

mediocre the Tali romance was in no way mediocre.

[Steelcan]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

So you think it is ok that Liara gets all this focus and attention, while the ME2 non-dextro romances twist in the wind?

Yes. I'd rather have one or two well-developed romances getting a lot of focus than several less-developed and mediocre ones (like pretty much all of the ME2 ones...). While it would be nice for all romances to have a lot of content, it's just not feasible for the game.

I'm just lucky Liara is my favorite, really.

So now we have reached the point "ALL I WANT IS CONTENT FOR MA WAIFU ALL YOU OTHERS CAN SUFFER FOR NOT PICKING HER"

[spirosz]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Yes. I'd rather have one or two well-developed romances getting a lot of focus than several less-developed and mediocre ones (like pretty much all of the ME2 ones...). While it would be nice for all romances to have a lot of content, it's just not feasible for the game.

I'm just lucky Liara is my favorite, really.

LOL.

Would you be in the same boat, if say... the "focused" ones were Jacob and Ashley only, for example?  It just wouldn't be feasible for the game, right?

Mind you, I would also rather have quality over quantity in romances, yet somehow, ME2 delievered the quality regardless of the quantity and I don't blame Liara as a character mind you, I just feel that Bioware shot themselves in the foot with what they set up in ME3.