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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

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I don't see any problem in love interests getting different amounts of content at all.


Tell me, would you be saying the same thing if it was Jack, or Miranda who got the most content?

Of course.

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HellbirdIV wrote...

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There's bias. Not default.


If you take 'default' to literally mean 'Default no-import Shepard', then I guess that's true, but that's clearly not what was intended.

Remember this?

dublin omega 223 wrote...

Have a read of this

http://commanderbedl...-canon-romance/


That's what I mean.


You can say that Bioware is implying you should only play as a Paragon, Male Shepard and Sheploo as well.  

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David7204 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I don't see any problem in love interests getting different amounts of content at all.


As long as the hero gets the girl/guy/thing.

That happens regardless.

Not if you pick Jacob.

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David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I don't see any problem in love interests getting different amounts of content at all.


Tell me, would you be saying the same thing if it was Jack, or Miranda who got the most content?

Of course.


I see the Jackolyte in you.  

We have cookies.

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David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I don't see any problem in love interests getting different amounts of content at all.


Tell me, would you be saying the same thing if it was Jack, or Miranda who got the most content?

Of course.

For some reason I doubt that

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Depending where the story goes, LI's can have less or more content if there is a compelling reason for it. I'd find it contrived, and unrealistic check marking to make them all equal. I don't think the romance concept ever intended that.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I don't see any problem in love interests getting different amounts of content at all.


As long as the hero gets the girl/guy/thing.

That happens regardless.

Not if you pick Jacob.

Or Thane

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Steelcan wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I don't see any problem in love interests getting different amounts of content at all.


As long as the hero gets the girl/guy/thing.

That happens regardless.

Not if you pick Jacob.

Or Thane


Or Pyjak.

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DeinonSlayer wrote...

Nobody here can tell you who your Shepard is. I had four of them, each with a different (headcanon) backstory guiding their actions, and the pieces just fell into place.

Nolan: None-Tali-Tali
Laura: Kaidan-None-Kaidan
Jane: Liara-Garrus-Garrus
Jayne: Ashley-Kelly/Jack/Miranda-None


I agree.  I had, well more than 4 but each was a bit different.

One was Kaidan - none kaidan
one was Kaidan (died on virmire-Thane-died on last mission-no one
One was no one-Garrus-Garrus - didn't finish this ME3.
Stopped playing but I had plenty of options left.
One was Liara -Liara 
One was Ash-no one
One was Ash-died on virmire- Jack - actually one of my favorite LI Shepard was fairly balanced between paragon and renegade.  

so yeh, each one was individual and fit their personality.

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ME3 romance logic.

Cheat on Liara with Traynor.....

..... discover Liara knows before you tell her.

shes got Shepard bugged.

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spirosz wrote...

You can say that Bioware is implying you should only play as a Paragon, Male Shepard and Sheploo as well.


That would be the 'normal' Shepard (if we're not allowing the term 'default' on a technicality), yes.

But I don't care about that. I play Blonde FemShep Parafiltrator. That's kind of the thing, innit?

It doesn't matter what is the "norm" or "default", what matters is what you yourself make of the playthrough.

Hence, Liara being the favored LI should really be a non-issue.

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dublin omega 223 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I don't see any problem in love interests getting different amounts of content at all.


Thats you.

I don't like that an LI throws herself at your character after two games of telling her your not interested and have another LI as well.


And she does it repeatedly. 

Hell, I don't even like the fact that I can't kill her off without damning the galaxy. That's why I think there should have been an option to have squadmates die depending on choices you make during the final mission. Each squadmate may possibly die regarding each decision you make. 

My team would be a lot emptier. James and Javik would be my only survivors from ME3. Maybe Kaidan/Ashley.

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ShepnTali wrote...

Depending where the story goes, LI's can have less or more content if there is a compelling reason for it. I'd find it contrived, and unrealistic check marking to make them all equal. I don't think the romance concept ever intended that.


Exactly. Jaheira, Bastila, Dawn Star, Morrigan...Bioware's always puts more romantic spotlight on at least one (female) character. Yeah, Liara is "the one" in the Mass Effect series.

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Redbelle wrote...

ME3 romance logic.

Cheat on Liara with Traynor.....

..... discover Liara knows before you tell her.

shes got Shepard bugged.


Makes sense how else would she know so much concerning Shepard before even told.

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HellbirdIV wrote...


It doesn't matter what is the "norm" or "default", what matters is what you yourself make of the playthrough.

Hence, Liara being the favored LI should really be a non-issue.


You're the one that used the word default.

No one has a problem with your "favored" choices. I hope not at least.

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Good writers don't take great characters and put them at the center of the story.

They put characters at the center of the story and make them great.

Hence Liara, Garrus, and Tali being overwhelmingly the most popular love interests.

Modifié par David7204, 06 août 2013 - 11:26 .


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Redbelle wrote...

ME3 romance logic.

Cheat on Liara with Traynor.....

..... discover Liara knows before you tell her.

shes got Shepard bugged.


Well she is the Shadow Broker...

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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I don't see any problem in love interests getting different amounts of content at all.


Thats you.

I don't like that an LI throws herself at your character after two games of telling her your not interested and have another LI as well.


And she does it repeatedly. 

Hell, I don't even like the fact that I can't kill her off without damning the galaxy. That's why I think there should have been an option to have squadmates die depending on choices you make during the final mission. Each squadmate may possibly die regarding each decision you make. 

My team would be a lot emptier. James and Javik would be my only survivors from ME3. Maybe Kaidan/Ashley.


Agreed I hated the fact Liara was unkillable till the end of ME3.

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HellbirdIV wrote...
Hence, Liara being the favored LI should really be a non-issue.


It is an issue if other characters could use the same resources to develop their arc and character growth in the right way.  Yet, we end up with issues like Thane (vanilla), where even Bioware admited they dropped the ball and he was even created based off of a romance aspect... 

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David7204 wrote...

Good writers don't take great characters and put them at the center of the story.

They put characters at the center of the story and make them great.

Hence Liara, Garrus, and Tali being overwhelmingly the most popular love interests.


Do you have a source for that?

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StreetMagic wrote...

No one has a problem with your "favored" choices. I hope not at least.


It's not that she's my favored LI, it's that the game's set up to feature her as the main LI.  It seems like some people have a big problem with that, as this thread's last few pages clearly show.

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David7204 wrote...

Good writers don't take great characters and put them at the center of the story.

They put characters at the center of the story and make them great.

Hence Liara, Garrus, and Tali being overwhelmingly the most popular love interests.

Source on %'s for Romances?

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David7204 wrote...

Good writers don't take great characters and put them at the center of the story.

They put characters at the center of the story and make them great.

Hence Liara, Garrus, and Tali being overwhelmingly the most popular love interests.


Putting Garrus at the center is no better a choice than Liara's prominence. I don't need some "bro" forced on me, like everyone wants to be best friends with him. His punchlines suck anyways. Very overrated character.

No problem with Tali though. Her story works with or without her, but it's always been an important thing worth being addressed. Works better with her than not. The romance makes it even better. It's well done, and the closeness between her and Shepard is mostly optional.

Modifié par StreetMagic, 06 août 2013 - 11:30 .


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HellbirdIV wrote...

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No one has a problem with your "favored" choices. I hope not at least.


It's not that she's my favored LI, it's that the game's set up to feature her as the main LI.  It seems like some people have a big problem with that, as this thread's last few pages clearly show.


Of course theres not supposed to be a main LI. Thats the point of all the LI options.

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HellbirdIV wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

No one has a problem with your "favored" choices. I hope not at least.


It's not that she's my favored LI, it's that the game's set up to feature her as the main LI.  It seems like some people have a big problem with that, as this thread's last few pages clearly show.

I never felt like DA:O was pushing Morrigan while I was romancing Leliana, but if I romanced Morrigan she had more content.  That is ok.

Romancing Miranda, but having Liara butt in every ten minutes is another matter.