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[TheWerdna]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I romance Thane, and even I'd concede that Tali has a stronger presence among the hardcore fans (those who buy merchandise, post on forums, create fan media, etc) than any characters except Liara and Garrus. Kaidan is also much more popular with this crowd than he is the audience at large.

I also look at the characters (and organizations) going by who they appeal to and why. To make a broad generalization, I've noticed that there's a general difference in mindset to people who romance Tali over say Miranda or Ashley (who have the same general difference with each other).

I've also noticed that bespite the rivaly between the two fan groups, Talimancers and Liaramancers have a lot of simularities in terms of mentality.

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
To make a broad generalization, I've noticed that there's a general difference in mindset to people who romance Tali over say Miranda or Ashley (who have the same general difference with each other).

Care to elaborate? Because I would really like to hear that hypothesis^_^

[jtav]

Well, ME2 Tali has a lot of similarities with ME1 Liara: nerdy, virginal, awkward, and somewhat sheltered so it's hardly shocking. Though I remember a time when Liara and Miranda fans got on very well.

[Sir DeLoria]

jtav wrote...

Well, ME2 Tali has a lot of similarities with ME1 Liara: nerdy, virginal, awkward, and somewhat sheltered so it's hardly shocking. Though I remember a time when Liara and Miranda fans got on very well.

I actually think that Tali changes a lot in ME2(and even more in ME3), she becomes more social, but even gets quite feisty at times. You don't really see it, if you don't romance her.

[HellbirdIV]

Necanor wrote...

jtav wrote...

Well, ME2 Tali has a lot of similarities with ME1 Liara: nerdy, virginal, awkward, and somewhat sheltered so it's hardly shocking. Though I remember a time when Liara and Miranda fans got on very well.

I actually think that Tali changes a lot in ME2(and even more in ME3), she becomes more social, but even gets quite feisty at times.

Changes which likewise apply to Liara.

I honestly considered romancing Tali in ME2, but since I only ever play FemShep I went with Garrus.

... then I had a massive wave of guilt hit me and had to reload a save like 4 hours back to undo it.

When I eventually cba to play a MaleShep I'll probably romance Kaidan, at this point.

[DeinonSlayer]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
To make a broad generalization, I've noticed that there's a general difference in mindset to people who romance Tali over say Miranda or Ashley (who have the same general difference with each other).

Care to elaborate? Because I would really like to hear that hypothesis^_^

Good girl/bad girl. Sort of like Kaidan versus Garrus.

Extreme oversimplification, I know.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 07 août 2013 - 03:54 .

[HellbirdIV]

Wait, how is Garrus a "bad boy"? The guy's easily the sweetest male LI in the franchise.

... Actually I can't think of any male LIs that are "bad boy" archetypes. Probably a good thing, because the faux Alpha Male douchebag that can only get with women by targeting their insecurities wouldn't really suit FemShep...

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 07 août 2013 - 03:52 .

[CrutchCricket]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
To make a broad generalization, I've noticed that there's a general difference in mindset to people who romance Tali over say Miranda or Ashley (who have the same general difference with each other).

Care to elaborate? Because I would really like to hear that hypothesis^_^

In general, people who romance a particular character tend to have similar views on the circumstances and affiliations that character has.

Miranda fans tend to like and emphasise the good parts of Cerberus ideals.
Liara fans are usually pro-Asari. Same with quarians for Tali fans.

And so on. There are exceptions of course. I think the degree varies between LI though. For example I don't think Ashley fans are as pro Alliance as Miranda fans are (for the sake of convenience) "pro-Cerberus". Also I'm not sure what if anything Garrus or Thane fans are predisposed towards.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 07 août 2013 - 03:53 .

[Sir DeLoria]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Necanor wrote...

jtav wrote...
Well, ME2 Tali has a lot of similarities with ME1 Liara: nerdy, virginal, awkward, and somewhat sheltered so it's hardly shocking. Though I remember a time when Liara and Miranda fans got on very well.

I actually think that Tali changes a lot in ME2(and even more in ME3), she becomes more social, but even gets quite feisty at times.

Changes which likewise apply to Liara.

I honestly considered romancing Tali in ME2, but since I only ever play FemShep I went with Garrus.

... then I had a massive wave of guilt hit me and had to reload a save like 4 hours back to undo it.

When I eventually cba to play a MaleShep I'll probably romance Kaidan, at this point.

Feisty? When is Liara ever feisty, except for the "I know how you masturbate, Tali" scene?

[Ice Cold J]

 Well, I went liara to start... just better fit for me personally than Ash.

I felt the same way in ME2, but, when they released LotSB, it gives you the option to carry it through and seems to make amends or at least somewhat justify her not going with you on the Normandy, so that sold it for me.

And, of course, I stuck with her through ME3.

So, there ya go. #BlueAndTrue

[Ice Cold J]

Necanor wrote...

Feisty? When is Liara ever feisty, except for the "I know how you masturbate, Tali" scene?

She is about to throw Javik across the room after Thessia. During Thessia she is denying the possibility of the Asari goddess as being a Prothean...

There are probably a couple others I'm forgetting, however... Definitely LotSB has a lot of those moments...

I'm a Liaramancers, BTW, so I'm really not being too biased here.

[SiniisteR]

Ice Cold J wrote...

 Well, I went liara to start... just better fit for me personally than Ash.

I felt the same way in ME2, but, when they released LotSB, it gives you the option to carry it through and seems to make amends or at least somewhat justify her not going with you on the Normandy, so that sold it for me.

And, of course, I stuck with her through ME3.

So, there ya go. #BlueAndTrue

I feel ashamed knowing that my intial playthrough was originally going to be romancing Liara throughout, and it was only because I didn't want to buy LotSB that I decided to replace her with Tali. That's when I sort of "saw the light" in the sense of how much I preferred Tali over Liara. 

Modifié par SiniisteR, 07 août 2013 - 04:01 .

[HellbirdIV]

Necanor wrote...

Feisty? When is Liara ever feisty, except for the "I know how you masturbate, Tali" scene?

LotSB and ME3 shows her being very brutal and raw in using her biotics offensively. Even pre-LotSB she gets mention of it during her quest on Ilium where she coldly speaks of killing Nyxeris. She grows into a hardened veteran after being all cute and fragile in ME1.

I wouldn't call Tali feisty, more catty and obnoxious - to me, the best part of Tali's growth is how she tries to take responsibility, though that arguably is true for every single squadmate Shepard has had along the way. They all come out the other side looking to do more with their lives.

Unfortunately for Tali, leading is not something she's very good at. But I like that she tries very hard.

[Ice Cold J]

My two cents on it:

If you romanced Liara, you can easily keep her all the way through.

If you romanced Ash/Kaidan, you'd be a stronger/more whipped man/woman than I to keep her/him all the way through.

If you romanced anyone in the 2nd game after having romanced someone in 1, you're either a player or romanced a human.

If you romanced Miranda, it's failry easy to romance her the rest of the way.

If you romanced Jack, you've got guts, but the dynamics of the romance change A LOT in ME3.

If you romanced Tali, I think it's kind of difficult to keep just because she doesn't show up until halfway through ME3.

If you romanced Garrus, it's easy to keep all the way through.

If you romanced Thane or Jacob, the writers gave you the shaft.

If you tired to romance Samara, congrats for reaching for that brass ring, you goody two-shoes!!! (p.s. I did this)

If you tried to romance Kelly, you either have low standards, were totally out of your mind, or just didn't care about an achievement.

jp... Kelly's cute, but due to sever lack of interaction compared to other options, I just don't get it.

I'm not gonna talk about Allers, Cortez, or Traynor b/c they were all late options, so that's irrelevant in my discussion.

[Ice Cold J]

SiniisteR wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

 Well, I went liara to start... just better fit for me personally than Ash.

I felt the same way in ME2, but, when they released LotSB, it gives you the option to carry it through and seems to make amends or at least somewhat justify her not going with you on the Normandy, so that sold it for me.

And, of course, I stuck with her through ME3.

So, there ya go. #BlueAndTrue

I feel ashamed knowing that my intial playthrough was originally going to be romancing Liara throughout, and it was only because I didn't want to buy LotSB that I decided to replace her with Tali. That's when I sort of "saw the light" in the sense of how much I preferred Tali over Liara. 

Well, taht's pretty legit. Your #1 wasn't interested, so you can't sit around and wait.

But when your #2 left you high and dry and your #1 showed interest AND loyalty, all the better, right?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Ice Cold J wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Feisty? When is Liara ever feisty, except for the "I know how you masturbate, Tali" scene?

She is about to throw Javik across the room after Thessia. During Thessia she is denying the possibility of the Asari goddess as being a Prothean...

That's not really feisty. That's just her being asinine and in denial. She's having a temper tantrum because her world was lost. Javik's not making fun of her - he's telling her a lesson she'd be rather smart to learn about the nature of war (along with the fact that the Asari let themselves get pissed on when they refused to help because they weren't under attack). She's the epitome of the 'useless civilian' in my own biased opinion, an opinion that is somewhat widespread among us military folk that civilians can't understand or handle our everyday... at least when we're downrange. Back home we act like children and get paid to act like children. Back on the point, she's also in denial over how the Protheans actually influenced her race, because she can't accept that her people aren't gods gift to the cosmos. Pretty funny really.

[HellbirdIV]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

she's also in denial over how the Protheans actually influenced her race, because she can't accept that her people aren't gods gift to the cosmos.

It's a complete reversal of everything the asari believed for 50.000 years, so it is not unreasonable to not really buy into it, not to mention how it doesn't mesh with her views on the Protheans.

That said, her denial reminds me of Pro-Cerberus people who seem to conveniently forget that humanity would be a small footnote in the Turian Hierarchy's military logs if not for the intervention of the asari. God's gift to the cosmos, right?

[KaiserShep]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

That's not really feisty. That's just her being asinine and in denial. She's having a temper tantrum because her world was lost. Javik's not making fun of her - he's telling her a lesson she'd be rather smart to learn about the nature of war (along with the fact that the Asari let themselves get pissed on when they refused to help because they weren't under attack). She's the epitome of the 'useless civilian' in my own biased opinion, an opinion that is somewhat widespread among us military folk that civilians can't understand or handle our everyday... at least when we're downrange. Back home we act like children and get paid to act like children. Back on the point, she's also in denial over how the Protheans actually influenced her race, because she can't accept that her people aren't gods gift to the cosmos. Pretty funny really.

Biased as I am toward Liara, I have to say that this is correct about her behavior in Javik's quarters, but given the circumstances, I can understand. I can imagine a lot of humans that would behave similarly, be it civilian or otherwise.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 07 août 2013 - 04:20 .

[Steelcan]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Wait, how is Garrus a "bad boy"? The guy's easily the sweetest male LI in the franchise.

... Actually I can't think of any male LIs that are "bad boy" archetypes. Probably a good thing, because the faux Alpha Male douchebag that can only get with women by targeting their insecurities wouldn't really suit FemShep...

The guy was a vigilante who took the law into his own hands.  He tends to favor a renegade approach to things especially in 2/3.  He just about tortures Harkin.

[Steelcan]

HellbirdIV wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

she's also in denial over how the Protheans actually influenced her race, because she can't accept that her people aren't gods gift to the cosmos.

It's a complete reversal of everything the asari believed for 50.000 years, so it is not unreasonable to not really buy into it, not to mention how it doesn't mesh with her views on the Protheans.

That said, her denial reminds me of Pro-Cerberus people who seem to conveniently forget that humanity would be a small footnote in the Turian Hierarchy's military logs if not for the intervention of the asari. God's gift to the cosmos, right?

Sos what you are saying is Liara can't accept that she was absolutely wrong about everything involving protheans.

funny how the turians lost more than the humans did at Shanxi.

[HellbirdIV]

Steelcan wrote...

The guy was a vigilante who took the law into his own hands.  He tends to favor a renegade approach to things especially in 2/3.  He just about tortures Harkin.

I wouldn't consider him a "bad boy" because he's a pragmatic vigilante, though - the topic is about Garrus as a love interest, not as a character overall, after all. Considering the things Liara does in ME2/3 she's just as eligible as a "bad girl" if we take renegade-style actions into account instead of the actual romance content.

Steelcan wrote...

Sos what you are saying is Liara can't accept that she was absolutely wrong about everything involving protheans.

Yes? I assume you don't really understand this "people" thing, huh.

Steelcan wrote...

funny how the turians lost more than the humans did at Shanxi.

How is that relevant considering the humans were defending and retaliating with their full fleet against a single turian patrol?

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 07 août 2013 - 04:26 .

[Steelcan]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The guy was a vigilante who took the law into his own hands.  He tends to favor a renegade approach to things especially in 2/3.  He just about tortures Harkin.

I wouldn't consider him a "bad boy" because he's a pragmatic vigilante, though - the topic is about Garrus as a love interest, not as a character overall, after all. Considering the things Liara does in ME2/3 she's just as eligible as a "bad girl" if we take renegade-style actions into account instead of the actual romance content.

Her as a "bad girl" goes out the window the instant she sees another asari huskified.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

[quote]Ice Cold J wrote...
My two cents on it:

If you romanced Liara, you can easily keep her all the way through.
[/quote]

The game rather shoves you in her direction enough as it is. This is true.

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If you romanced Ash/Kaidan, you'd be a stronger/more whipped man/woman than I to keep her/him all the way through.
[/quote]
Ashley, yes. I'm too independent and too different in thought process to want to deal with Ashley past ME2 and ME3. In ME1, my Shepard's feelings for her largely stemmed from the pressure of the mission and needing someone to release with; He outright disagree's with just about every opinion she has. Kaidan is a bit more progressive, and I think he's much better at letting things go and not having stupid opinions.

[quote]
If you romanced anyone in the 2nd game after having romanced someone in 1, you're either a player or romanced a human.[/quote]

I only romance a human. I think Xeno-relationships are disgusting personally. Aliens aren't attractive. I'm a live and let live guy, but if I was the only human on Thessia, I'd die a celibate man.

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If you romanced Miranda, it's failry easy to romance her the rest of the way.[/quote]
It's not necessarily difficult, but it is hard since there are a lot of checks that you have to meet in ME3 to keep her alive. I believe Miranda was meant to be the love interest that dies tragically at near the end. She is what I consider the best and most realistic romance in my opinion. And she is my ideal woman.

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If you romanced Jack, you've got guts, but the dynamics of the romance change A LOT in ME3.
[/quote]

Not so much guts as it is taste. Jack repulses me.

[quote]
If you romanced Tali, I think it's kind of difficult to keep just because she doesn't show up until halfway through ME3.[/quote]
It's easy to keep her. All you have to do is affirm the relationship and not kill the Quarians (however tempting it is).

She is the definition of fanservice in ME3 though. The only reason I believe she was included as a squadmate was because BW was scared of what pissing off the Talimancers would do. I don't think she should have been a squadmate in ME3.

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If you romanced Garrus, it's easy to keep all the way through.
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Pretty much.

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If you romanced Thane or Jacob, the writers gave you the shaft.
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The same can also be said for Miranda and Jack as well. BW seemed to go out of their way to marginalize the ME2 cast in ME3. I know it's not really the case but it comes off that way. Which is sad considering that they're more of my team and my friends than the ME1 group.

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If you tried to romance Samara, congrats for reaching for that brass ring, you goody two-shoes!!! (p.s. I did this)
[/quote]

You don't necessarily have to be a goody two-shoes for Samara. It's possible to be good and light without being a total space cadet honor scout.

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If you tried to romance Kelly, you either have low standards, were totally out of your mind, or just didn't care about an achievement.

jp... Kelly's cute, but due to sever lack of interaction compared to other options, I just don't get it.[/quote]

She's my second in my opinion after Miranda. Way, way back there, but there is is. She's a bit too naive with her idealism (even though I agree with it), but she's also the only person I'd consider a romance with beyond Miranda.

I wish there was a way to kick Traynor off and get Kelly back. Traynor rubs me the wrong way, seeing as she's a total space cadet when it comes to the military (that's twice I've used that phrase now). She needs to get her **** together and find some damn pride and backbone, even if it is for the alliance goons.

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I'm not gonna talk about Allers, Cortez, or Traynor b/c they were all late options, so that's irrelevant in my discussion.[/quote]

Just as well, Allers is a sloot who has no call or purpose in the game except be the bangable reporter worth nothing, Cortez is alright though I really don't like his pro-alliance/anti-Cerberus views, and I just stated my opinion of Traynor. To add onto it, it's the same with Cortez. I'm a Cerberus fan, and I despise the alliance.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The guy was a vigilante who took the law into his own hands.  He tends to favor a renegade approach to things especially in 2/3.  He just about tortures Harkin.

I wouldn't consider him a "bad boy" because he's a pragmatic vigilante, though - the topic is about Garrus as a love interest, not as a character overall, after all. Considering the things Liara does in ME2/3 she's just as eligible as a "bad girl" if we take renegade-style actions into account instead of the actual romance content.

Her as a "bad girl" goes out the window the instant she sees another asari huskified.

Liara is not a 'bad girl' by any means. She's way too naive and idealistic to be a realistic one. Which makes her a poser.

Another reason to hate her. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 07 août 2013 - 04:31 .