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[Fixers0]

Sure, the Xeno liara might have a knack for parlor tricks to manipulate the fight in the event that combat abilities prove less then effective, which is rather quick, infact, it's almost imdediatly. But only the weak-minded are intimidate by such hocus pocus, for a fully charged m-7 lancer will make short work of this scum.

[Sir DeLoria]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Singularity sucks most of the time, it's only useful in a few instances. I like Reave or Energy Drain much more.

Energy Drain is only useful for recovering your own shields, against shielded and synthetic targets Overload is a lot more effective - and it can even stun organics. If anything, Energy Drain is the most useless of these.

Singularity in ME1 and ME3 is completley devastating because it neutralizes an enemy for the entire duration regardless of their defenses in ME1 (including Saren himself!) and in ME3 will disable all minor enemies, stagger protected ones, and rip the shields clean off Guardians.

Combine that with Kaidan and his Reave and Liara's upgraded Pure Biotic passive to reduce her Singularity cooldown by 100% and you can Biotisplode entire armies of Reaper and Cerberus ground forces without ever popping your own head out of cover.

I personally love Tali's Energy Drain, especially since my I use it myself. At higher levels it does hefty damage and can be used every 4-5 seconds. In fact, it's absolutely necessary for my Infiltrator or Tali to survive on insanity. Liara's singularity is pretty obsolete for Infiltrator Shep imo, Guardians are by far the easiest enemies to deal with.

[Sir DeLoria]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Seboist wrote...

ME's non-choices require thought?

That's kind of my point. I imagine most people pick the Paragon options in ME3 not because they just blindly pick whatever is the top choice, but they pick whatever makes the most sense - and in ME3, the Renegade choices are always crappy.

Destroying the Geth was fun.

[Seboist]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Seboist wrote...

ME's non-choices require thought?

That's kind of my point. I imagine most people pick the Paragon options in ME3 not because they just blindly pick whatever is the top choice, but they pick whatever makes the most sense - and in ME3, the Renegade choices are always crappy.

Lol, "Makes the most sense". You speak as if there's a lick of difference between the two beyond cosmetic fluff.

There's zero consequence to either "choice", the only difference between you and any "renegade" player is that you get to feel self-rightous when you're popping more moles in the next set of linear corridors.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

[quote]Ice Cold J wrote...

[quote]MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

[quote]Ice Cold J wrote...
My two cents on it:

If you romanced Liara, you can easily keep her all the way through.
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The game rather shoves you in her direction enough as it is. This is true.

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If you romanced Ash/Kaidan, you'd be a stronger/more whipped man/woman than I to keep her/him all the way through.
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Ashley, yes. I'm too independent and too different in thought process to want to deal with Ashley past ME2 and ME3. In ME1, my Shepard's feelings for her largely stemmed from the pressure of the mission and needing someone to release with; He outright disagree's with just about every opinion she has. Kaidan is a bit more progressive, and I think he's much better at letting things go and not having stupid opinions.

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If you romanced anyone in the 2nd game after having romanced someone in 1, you're either a player or romanced a human.[/quote]

I only romance a human. I think Xeno-relationships are disgusting personally. Aliens aren't attractive. I'm a live and let live guy, but if I was the only human on Thessia, I'd die a celibate man.

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If you romanced Miranda, it's failry easy to romance her the rest of the way.[/quote]
It's not necessarily difficult, but it is hard since there are a lot of checks that you have to meet in ME3 to keep her alive. I believe Miranda was meant to be the love interest that dies tragically at near the end. She is what I consider the best and most realistic romance in my opinion. And she is my ideal woman.

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If you romanced Jack, you've got guts, but the dynamics of the romance change A LOT in ME3.
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Not so much guts as it is taste. Jack repulses me.

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If you romanced Tali, I think it's kind of difficult to keep just because she doesn't show up until halfway through ME3.[/quote]
It's easy to keep her. All you have to do is affirm the relationship and not kill the Quarians (however tempting it is).

She is the definition of fanservice in ME3 though. The only reason I believe she was included as a squadmate was because BW was scared of what pissing off the Talimancers would do. I don't think she should have been a squadmate in ME3.

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If you romanced Garrus, it's easy to keep all the way through.
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Pretty much.

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If you romanced Thane or Jacob, the writers gave you the shaft.
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The same can also be said for Miranda and Jack as well. BW seemed to go out of their way to marginalize the ME2 cast in ME3. I know it's not really the case but it comes off that way. Which is sad considering that they're more of my team and my friends than the ME1 group.

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If you tried to romance Samara, congrats for reaching for that brass ring, you goody two-shoes!!! (p.s. I did this)
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You don't necessarily have to be a goody two-shoes for Samara. It's possible to be good and light without being a total space cadet honor scout.

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If you tried to romance Kelly, you either have low standards, were totally out of your mind, or just didn't care about an achievement.

jp... Kelly's cute, but due to sever lack of interaction compared to other options, I just don't get it.[/quote]

She's my second in my opinion after Miranda. Way, way back there, but there is is. She's a bit too naive with her idealism (even though I agree with it), but she's also the only person I'd consider a romance with beyond Miranda.

I wish there was a way to kick Traynor off and get Kelly back. Traynor rubs me the wrong way, seeing as she's a total space cadet when it comes to the military (that's twice I've used that phrase now). She needs to get her **** together and find some damn pride and backbone, even if it is for the alliance goons.

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I'm not gonna talk about Allers, Cortez, or Traynor b/c they were all late options, so that's irrelevant in my discussion.[/quote]

Just as well, Allers is a sloot who has no call or purpose in the game except be the bangable reporter worth nothing, Cortez is alright though I really don't like his pro-alliance/anti-Cerberus views, and I just stated my opinion of Traynor. To add onto it, it's the same with Cortez. I'm a Cerberus fan, and I despise the alliance.

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2. I'm referring to how they leave you high and dry when they find you on Horizon again. If I loved someone and found them alive, I'd trust them enough to see what was going on and go with them.

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Oh definitely. They see you, get angry that you're alive berate you for it and leave. They aren't even worth being called friends after that. My Shepard instantly cuts any connection to Ashley he might have had. I'm a bit more forgiving for Kaidan since he seemed to be more upset with you personally over matters of not contacting him instead of having Ashley through ****-fits over Cerberus.

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3. Just saying taht, again, to keep a reltiaonship with Ash or Kaidan woiuld be difficult for me because they abandoned you. If you romanced Liara, but also romanced someone in ME2, you're just looking for tail.
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They do walk away from Shepard over some pretty stupid crap. Granted my Shepard was going to leave Ashley for Miranda regardless, but she ensured that they would never be anything more than bitter acquaintences. It's pathetic how Ashley thinks you can be in a relationship with her just because you're not with Cerberus anymore

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4. I'm not really talking about keeping her alive, but rationalizing her romance the rest of the way through.
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From a narrative standpoint, what we get is actually pretty good to work with for headcanon. It's very difficult for the two of them. They're the starcrossed, separated lovers who are light-years apart and wondering if they'll ever see each other again. And then you get Citadel, where they reunite once and for all and affirm that they'll be together.

The whole theme with promises for each other was just incredible.

"I know you. You'll find a way to win... And when you do, I'll be waiting for you." Yvonne Strahovski ****ing slammed that line out of the park. God DAMN! That's why I love her so much.

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5. Maybe... but the only reason I didn't was she was too abrasive at the start. I don't like breaking down walls.
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I love breaking down walls. I love it when a woman is mysterious, cold, and strong (and dangerous). It's one reason I love Miranda so much. That said, I think Jack is too physically repulsive and unstable. She's too angry. And I hate tattoo's.

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6. It's easy mechanic-wise, but difficult logic-emotion wise. Why shouldn't she have beena  squadmate? Just because EDI is available now? Don't get me started on THAT...[/quote]

In my opinion Tali was just in the game as a squadmate to keep the Talimancers happy. That's it.

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7. It actually is different. Thane dies and Jacob is no longer an option. Miranda and Jack are still options for romance in ME3 where the other two are not.[/quote]

I'm talking about overall. The ME2 LI's were definitely nudged to the sidelines in ME3 and kept away from the story as much as possible it seems. I mentioned this a while back, but for someone like Miranda, who was so integral and central to the plot in ME2 to just practically disappear off the face of the Earth in ME3... It was nuts. Especially with how they decided to implement Cerberus in ME3 (which I think was vilification. I know they're indoctrinated, but BW wanted to go out of their way to try and make you hate them and show that you always hated them and loved the alliance, even though you can explicitly state that you wish Cerberus had recruited you in ME2 while relentlessly bashing the alliance).

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8. Mostly, but you DO have to be paragon, so...
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That is true. You do indeed have to be a paragon to have the fling with Samara.

[HellbirdIV]

Necanor wrote...

Destroying the Geth was fun.

And so was watching Tali fall to her death like an idiot.

Seriously, dude? Are you really going to try start another one of these? Because it's getting tiresome and predictable.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
untried civilian who's still barely older than a child

She's 24, when I got drafted I was 19. I've seen Captains in their very early twenties. Quarians have the same life expectancy as humans, so I don't really get that argument. She also more or less is an advisor, since she has no actual command over any part of the fleet. Otherwise I agree.

Speaking as a 24 year old First Lieutenant who's been in since I was 17, and I'll be the first to say that I'm still, relatively speaking, barely older than a kiddo. Especially considering what most other 24 year olds my age are doing. Hell, as an NG Officer, I only play dressup once a month (and I haven't even done that much since sequester hit back in March).

I knew a guy who became a major with 26.

I will likely make O-4 by my late 20's myself. He was probably in intelligence; that's my branch, and we promote very fast. Or he was the Blue Falcon to end all Blue Falcons.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 07 août 2013 - 05:27 .

[Sir DeLoria]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Destroying the Geth was fun.

And so was watching Tali fall to her death like an idiot.

Seriously, dude? Are you really going to try start another one of these? Because it's getting tiresome and predictable.

Actually no, not here, not now.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Barquiel wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Liara has Singularity. By merit of that alone she completley outclasses entire squads of elite soldiers.

Hahaha. 

No.

This is non-evidence. Making things float around a black bubble does not make one an elite soldier.

According to one of the novels, it's almost impossible to form a singularity unless the user is enormously powerful. Lore-wise, Liara is exceptionally powerful with her biotics...whether you like it or not.

But that doesn't make her a good soldier. You're using this as an excuse to justify her as being the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. I assure you, she is not. I'd put any trained Asari over her anyday.

[Kel Riever]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Destroying the Geth was fun.

And so was watching Tali fall to her death like an idiot.

Seriously, dude? Are you really going to try start another one of these? Because it's getting tiresome and predictable.

I'll give you a seriously dude.  Seriously dude? Angrah at fictional Mass Effect characters and all happy about killing them?  Aside from a bit of pyrhic entertainment, I really find it hard to understand how to get wrapped up in that level of haet.

Grunt is the most boring character in all of the ME series for me.  And I don't really feel the need to go around watching him get all death killed so I can get my chuckles out.

The geth actually were responsible for turning humans into husks and frying them.  Even though they are video game characters too, at least some sort of entertainment hate on them is more understandable.  Maybe hating the quarians who want to destroy the geth too.  Still, not characters.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 07 août 2013 - 05:32 .

[Steelcan]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Liara has Singularity. By merit of that alone she completley outclasses entire squads of elite soldiers.

Hahaha. 

No.

This is non-evidence. Making things float around a black bubble does not make one an elite soldier.

According to one of the novels, it's almost impossible to form a singularity unless the user is enormously powerful. Lore-wise, Liara is exceptionally powerful with her biotics...whether you like it or not.

But that doesn't make her a good soldier. You're using this as an excuse to justify her as being the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. I assure you, she is not. I'd put any trained Asari over her anyday.

Or any trained member of another species.  I'd take Grunt over an asari any day.

[HellbirdIV]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

You're using this as an excuse to justify her as being the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy.

No, I'm explaining why bringing her along on missions is a really good idea despite the fact she's not a trained commando.

I reiterate; You have a habit of projecting your own worship of your LI to other people and act as if they are similarily obsessive and defensive.

As for who would make a better asari squadmate? Tela Vasir. Holy crap, Tela Vasir.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 07 août 2013 - 05:35 .

[Kel Riever]

I wouldn' t take Grunt.

But I'd take WREX (who is a walking god!) WITH an asari any day, and kill everythang!

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I will likely make O-4 by my late 20's myself. He was probably in intelligence; that's my branch, and we promote very fast. Or he was the Blue Falcon to end all Blue Falcons.

He was actually in the German armed forces, which have a very unique promotion system(largely still based on that of the Reichswehr). Luftwaffe iirc, it's not hard to get promoted, but there are dozens of paragraphs that give limits to promotions(usually you can only be promoted 9 years after becoming a lieutenant). He had finished college already and was immediately ranked captain, after three years he got a special promotion to major. 

[Steelcan]

HellbirdIV wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

You're using this as an excuse to justify her as being the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy.

No, I'm explaining why bringing her along on missions is a really good idea despite the fact she's not a trained commando.

She proves on Thessia that she should not be taken innto a war zone.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HellbirdIV wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

You're using this as an excuse to justify her as being the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy.

No, I'm explaining why bringing her along on missions is a really good idea despite the fact she's not a trained commando.

And I think it's absolutely asinine to bring an untrained (from a military context) Asari scientist on a mission (and entire operation) that requires a trained commando in most cases. There's nothing that she can do that no other biotic (all of whom are trained professionals btw) could do better. Making a singularity is irrelevant next to bullets and pull. I don't need it. It's egregious. Excessive. I can accomplish the mission with less. And I can do it with people who are skilled and trained.

I reiterate; You have a habit of projecting your own worship of your LI to other people and act as if they are similarily obsessive and defensive.

Where the hell are you getting Miranda from out of this? I never stated her at all in this! You lack an argument so you have to attack me personally? That isn't just terrible as hell.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HellbirdIV wrote...

As for who would make a better asari squadmate? Tela Vasir. Holy crap, Tela Vasir.

Tela Vasir is a Spectre. A well trained one. One who is willing to do some very dark things to get the job done. I really wish I could have sold out Liara to her, considering I have no problem with her or her methods. She'd be a much better choice than Liara.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 07 août 2013 - 05:39 .

[Fixers0]

Steelcan wrote...
She proves on Thessia that she should not be taken innto a war zone.

But, by that logic, Shepard is also a less then ideal combatant, which actuall makes sense after seeing his/her strategic intellect in the prologue, or the lack thereof.

[Steelcan]

Fixers0 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
She proves on Thessia that she should not be taken innto a war zone.

But, by that logic, Shepard is also a less then ideal combatant, which actuall makes sense after seeing his/her strategic intellect in the prologue, or the lack thereof.

Shepard doesn't break down in the middle of an invasion.

[rekn2]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Destroying the Geth was fun.

And so was watching Tali fall to her death like an idiot.

Seriously, dude? Are you really going to try start another one of these? Because it's getting tiresome and predictable.

dont fall into it, this person has been called out multiple times by different people for trying to argue opinion

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
You're using this as an excuse to justify her as being the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. 

Exactly. Suit Animal Mother(Kal'Reegar) already is the title holder of that. We'll just pretend that E-mail never existed.

[HellbirdIV]

Steelcan wrote...

Shepard doesn't break down in the middle of an invasion.

Shepard starts hallucinating during the Reaper invasion of Earth.

[Kel Riever]

Thessia dialogue is failzores, but having said that, again, I'd argue that Liara can be taken into a war zone. But she is not infantry material. She is a character who has a set of skillz that is needed at times. I think the whole 'Got to go to Thessia cause its my home' is what someone would say, but not a compelling enough reason to bring someone there except for our fictional fluff world. What Liara SHOULD have been given if the writers wanted her there, is a technical reason for her to go, like she knew the big secret code for unlocking the beacon at the Temple of Athame or somesuch nonsense. Then you have an excuse that you must deploy her to the field. Nevertheless, she's a spell caster and your other squaddie should be a good meathead tank or combatant. I dislike Javik as a character, but in gameplay, he's a good option. So's Vega. Because I was playing all fluff like, I took Ashley, who is not a good tank at all, but at least has lots of pew pew firepower. From an rpg sense, she's also a soldier.

Bringing assets to a war zone is a necessity sometimes. The job of the Thessia piece should have been to make Liara a necessity if you were being forced to take her.

[Sir DeLoria]

Steelcan wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
She proves on Thessia that she should not be taken innto a war zone.

But, by that logic, Shepard is also a less then ideal combatant, which actuall makes sense after seeing his/her strategic intellect in the prologue, or the lack thereof.

Shepard doesn't break down in the middle of an invasion.

Neither does Garrus on Palaven.