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[HellbirdIV]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Honestly I don't understand why the Normandy isn't just painted all black with a grey mottling. It'd be almost completley invisible against the background of space, even if someone did look out of their structural weaknesses.

Heat retention. Same reason real-world spacecraft and suits are white.

But the Normandy is actually supposed to retain heat to avoid giving itself away. Reflecting heat is just as bad as directly giving off heat for stealth purposes.

[Kel Riever]

Nobody would be flying the Normandy if they didn't need a small ship that couldn't be detected to go wherever they wanted really fast.

They'd be on a carrier or a dreadnought.

And then we wouldn't have a really good excuse for deploying in only 3 man squads anyway....

[o Ventus]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Screw both of them. I want the old Red and Black Normandy color scheme. Guess I'll put a spectre symbol (small spectre symbol) on the tail. Or maybe just skull and crossbones.

Honestly I don't understand why the Normandy isn't just painted all black with a grey mottling. It'd be almost completley invisible against the background of space, even if someone did look out of their structural weaknesses.

Heat retention. Same reason real-world spacecraft and suits are white.

Not to mention that black (artificial black, like paint or ink) will actually stand out against a totally dark background like space. A dark blue (like navy blue) would do better to conceal the Normandy.

Modifié par o Ventus, 07 août 2013 - 06:42 .

[PMC65]

Of the three Shepards that I created, only one would keep the Normandy a few more years.

The other two will give the keys back to the Alliance. One would go it alone as a SpecTRe without ties of any kind to the Alliance and the other will become Ambassador Shepard.

Modifié par PMC65, 07 août 2013 - 06:45 .

[DeinonSlayer]

HellbirdIV wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Honestly I don't understand why the Normandy isn't just painted all black with a grey mottling. It'd be almost completley invisible against the background of space, even if someone did look out of their structural weaknesses.

Heat retention. Same reason real-world spacecraft and suits are white.

But the Normandy is actually supposed to retain heat to avoid giving itself away. Reflecting heat is just as bad as directly giving off heat for stealth purposes.

Only when the IES system is active. At all other times, you need to be able to shed heat as efficiently as possible or you'll roast. The system used on the ISS is visible on the outside of its hull; the zig-zag shaped plates of material standing out away from the station.

[Sir DeLoria]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...
Screw both of them. I want the old Red and Black Normandy color scheme. Guess I'll put a spectre symbol (small spectre symbol) on the tail. Or maybe just skull and crossbones.

You think my Normandy won't be cool? My Shepard is putting this on the ship. Miranda is going to go nuts:

*snip*

Hmm, pic needs to be more potato headed(sorry, had to do it)

I think an all dark grey/black Normandy would go well...ah, screw this my Shep's gonna retire to Rannoch so Tali doesn't have to wear her suit all the time. Beachfront property here I come:D

inb4 chicken legs retort

Seriously, let's not stoop to this.

I think it's dog legs, but it was just a joke anyway.

[Barquiel]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Liara has Singularity. By merit of that alone she completley outclasses entire squads of elite soldiers.

Hahaha. 

No.

This is non-evidence. Making things float around a black bubble does not make one an elite soldier.

According to one of the novels, it's almost impossible to form a singularity unless the user is enormously powerful. Lore-wise, Liara is exceptionally powerful with her biotics...whether you like it or not.

But that doesn't make her a good soldier. You're using this as an excuse to justify her as being the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. I assure you, she is not. I'd put any trained Asari over her anyday.

I've never said she is the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. From lore standpoint, Samara, Aria and Morinth are probably more powerful. But what exactly makes Miranda a super soldier? Her "vast" combat experience? Her catsuit? Thane isn't a trained elite soldier either. Or Jack...

Modifié par Barquiel, 07 août 2013 - 06:53 .

[PMC65]

Barquiel wrote...


I've never said she is the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. From lore standpoint, Samara, Aria and Morinth are probably more powerful. But what exactlty makes Miranda a super soldier? Her "vast" combat experience? Her catsuit? Thane isn't a trained elite soldier either. Or Jack...

Miranda is another civilian to me and stays onboard the Normandy. She is the XO and like Pressly takes over command when Shepard is on missions.

Morinth in any of my playthroughs will never step foot on the Normandy ... she creeps me out.

[CrutchCricket]

Fixers0 wrote...

Screw the normandy all together, give me my 12.000 fighters allready.

12point000?

So 12 fighters inexplicably reported to 5 significant digits? I think the Normandy's a better bet ,myself.

In other news, I find it odd that some people talk about the ME3 Normandy like it was downgraded. It wasn't. Internal renovations aside it still packs the same punch.

That being said, if I had any say in the matter I wouldn't fly anyone's colors but my own. I haven't figured out what those are, but black and red seem pretty solid.

Internally, I'd probably restore Mordin's lab (the security checkpoint was irritating and is now completely unnecessary), move Liara's SB gear into the War room, remake that room into the XO office/quarters. I have no real preference on the armory situation so I'd likely compromise and make one in the old spot and keep the shuttle bay one as well, maybe combo it with a shooting range.

[HellbirdIV]

o Ventus wrote...

Not to mention that black (artificial black, like paint or ink) will actually stand out against a totally dark background like space. A dark blue (like navy blue) would do better to conceal the Normandy.

That's why I said it should have a mottled grey. It breaks up the silhouette, making it blend in with the background. It's the same principle as mottled camouflage.

EDIT:

Also, the old ME2 Normandy Armory is now the QEC/vidcom room.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 07 août 2013 - 06:56 .

[Fixers0]

CrutchCricket wrote...
12point000?

So 12 fighters inexplicably reported to 5 significant digits? I think the Normandy's a better bet ,myself.

no, twelve thousand fighers for one stealth frigate  Have a nice day, goodby.

Modifié par Fixers0, 07 août 2013 - 06:57 .

[Barquiel]

PMC65 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...


I've never said she is the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. From lore standpoint, Samara, Aria and Morinth are probably more powerful. But what exactlty makes Miranda a super soldier? Her "vast" combat experience? Her catsuit? Thane isn't a trained elite soldier either. Or Jack...

Miranda is another civilian to me and stays onboard the Normandy. She is the XO and like Pressly takes over command when Shepard is on missions.

Morinth in any of my playthroughs will never step foot on the Normandy ... she creeps me out.

Gameplay-wise, Morinth's dominate power is fun, and it can be very useful. Lore-wise, it doesn't even make sense

[CrutchCricket]

Fixers0 wrote...
no, twelve thousand fighers for one stealth frigate  Have a nice day, goodby.

lol might want to be careful about those decimal points then.

Also, have fun finding (probably training) and then paying 12,000 pilots. Oh and also the hangers/ships to store them and the legions of maintenence personnel (or robots) to upkeep them.

[Fixers0]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Also, have fun finding (probably training) and then paying 12,000 pilots. Oh and also the hangers/ships to store them and the legions of maintenence personnel (or robots) to upkeep them.

Agreed, Robots greatly enhance the productivity of labour and advanced VI programming will take care of the pilots.

[PMC65]

Barquiel wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...


I've never said she is the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. From lore standpoint, Samara, Aria and Morinth are probably more powerful. But what exactlty makes Miranda a super soldier? Her "vast" combat experience? Her catsuit? Thane isn't a trained elite soldier either. Or Jack...

Miranda is another civilian to me and stays onboard the Normandy. She is the XO and like Pressly takes over command when Shepard is on missions.

Morinth in any of my playthroughs will never step foot on the Normandy ... she creeps me out.

Gameplay-wise, Morinth's dominate power is fun, and it can be very useful. Lore-wise, it doesn't even make sense

Samara's mission is my favorite in ME2.

Morinth is my Hannibal Lecter and getting her to take Shepard back to her place was a challenge. I failed my first couple tries because I'm both dense and she really creeped me. When she sat on Shepard's lap, my skin crawled. Samara couldn't get their fast enough.

Yep, my favorite mission of ME2.

[shingara]

For me after the omega dlc i would have whipped the normandy to omega, nabbed a few of those guns and shields and strapped them to the sr2. I dunno why but has anyone noticed also that you have a big ass thanix cannon yet cant seem to shoot it at reapers chasing you around reaper controlled space, odd that. And what happened to the extended fuel cells ??

[o Ventus]

Barquiel wrote...

I've never said she is the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. From lore standpoint, Samara, Aria and Morinth are probably more powerful. But what exactly makes Miranda a super soldier? Her "vast" combat experience? Her catsuit? Thane isn't a trained elite soldier either. Or Jack...

On top of spending the better part of 20 years in Cerberus (and even rising to the rank of second-in-command), Miranda was bred for the specific purpose of being "perfect". This, coupled with her biotics and tech, make her a valuable combatant. Thane has spent even longer fighting. He was taken from early childhood and trained by the finest hanar minds on how to become the most efficient assassin in the known galaxy. Thane is also biotic, which only adds to his prowess.

Jack doesn't seem to have any training, but she arguably makes up for it in sheer power.

[HellbirdIV]

Barquiel wrote...

Gameplay-wise, Morinth's dominate power is fun, and it can be very useful. Lore-wise, it doesn't even make sense

I actually think it's a very clever use of the lore.

Biotics manipulate gravity, but the Ardat-Yakshi can also manipulate nervous systems - y'know, what whole "rape you to death" thing? That's why Shepard can get mind controlled by Morinth if you don't have enough P/R points.

It plays into the classical theme of vampires as sexual predators, luring in and then controlling their victims. I actually really like when Mass Effect makes itself a little bigger than just being a B5 knockoff.

[DeinonSlayer]

o Ventus wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I've never said she is the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. From lore standpoint, Samara, Aria and Morinth are probably more powerful. But what exactly makes Miranda a super soldier? Her "vast" combat experience? Her catsuit? Thane isn't a trained elite soldier either. Or Jack...

On top of spending the better part of 20 years in Cerberus (and even rising to the rank of second-in-command), Miranda was bred for the specific purpose of being "perfect". This, coupled with her biotics and tech, make her a valuable combatant. Thane has spent even longer fighting. He was taken from early childhood and trained by the finest hanar minds on how to become the most efficient assassin in the known galaxy. Thane is also biotic, which only adds to his prowess.

Jack doesn't seem to have any training, but she arguably makes up for it in sheer power.

"Bred to be perfect" isn't a qualification - ask Jesse Owens. Are we ever told what kind of actual combat experience Miranda has? Otherwise she's another I'd rather put in a support role.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Barquiel wrote...

I've never said she is the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. From lore standpoint, Samara, Aria and Morinth are probably more powerful. But what exactly makes Miranda a super soldier? Her "vast" combat experience? Her catsuit? Thane isn't a trained elite soldier either. Or Jack...

Thane has been trained as an assassin since age six. His experiences likely trumps that of your entire crew - a life dedicated to death. Miranda was already covered, as was Jack.

[Steelcan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I've never said she is the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. From lore standpoint, Samara, Aria and Morinth are probably more powerful. But what exactly makes Miranda a super soldier? Her "vast" combat experience? Her catsuit? Thane isn't a trained elite soldier either. Or Jack...

On top of spending the better part of 20 years in Cerberus (and even rising to the rank of second-in-command), Miranda was bred for the specific purpose of being "perfect". This, coupled with her biotics and tech, make her a valuable combatant. Thane has spent even longer fighting. He was taken from early childhood and trained by the finest hanar minds on how to become the most efficient assassin in the known galaxy. Thane is also biotic, which only adds to his prowess.

Jack doesn't seem to have any training, but she arguably makes up for it in sheer power.

"Bred to be perfect" isn't a qualification - ask Jesse Owens. Are we ever told what kind of actual combat experience Miranda has? Otherwise she's another I'd rather put in a support role.

Besides biotic training or her own marksman ship abilities (admittedly she does tell us about her own prowess)?

[Barquiel]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I've never said she is the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. From lore standpoint, Samara, Aria and Morinth are probably more powerful. But what exactly makes Miranda a super soldier? Her "vast" combat experience? Her catsuit? Thane isn't a trained elite soldier either. Or Jack...

Thane has been trained as an assassin since age six. His experiences likely trumps that of your entire crew - a life dedicated to death. Miranda was already covered, as was Jack.

By Miranda's own admission she's not generally been involved with the 'military side' of Cerberus. Most of Miranda's leadership involves administering technical and scientific programs. She's a "civilian/scientist", just like Liara or Tali.

And Thane is an assassin, not a soldier. I mean, what can Thane do at the collector base? Story-wise, I really didn't know why we need an assassin to fight the collectors.