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[Barquiel]

StreetMagic wrote...

Barquiel wrote...
And Thane is an assassin, not a soldier. I mean, what can Thane do at the collector base? Story-wise, I really didn't know why we need an assassin to fight the collectors.

He's a master of taking down fleshy things. His skillset is perfect for Collectors especially (warp and shredder ammo).

Gameplay-wise he's great, I agree

[HellbirdIV]

I used Thane and Samara in my latest Suicide Mission run (FemShep Parafiltrator, again) and it worked great. Thane with Squad Shredder Ammo and a Viper rifle, Samara with her Vindicator Battle Rifle, and Reave + Warp biotic explosions/barrier shredding (on Insanity, so EVERYTHING except the Reaper Baby had a barrier).

It also let me use Jack for the Bubble section which was good - it gave her a reason to learn from her experiences with Shepard and work towards the greater good in ME3.

[Kel Riever]

Miranda has combat experience and that is established right at the beginning of ME2. She may be a 'civilian' but really a more appropriate term for her is an agent of a criminal organization. One she turns on. But again, she is clearly combat trained.

[rekn2]

StreetMagic wrote...

Barquiel wrote...
And Thane is an assassin, not a soldier. I mean, what can Thane do at the collector base? Story-wise, I really didn't know why we need an assassin to fight the collectors.

He's a master of taking down fleshy things. His skillset is perfect for Collectors especially (warp and shredder ammo).

thane and miranda make collector missions face roll. put the warp ammo power on the locust for miranda and youll see what i mean

[HellbirdIV]

rekn2 wrote...

thane and miranda make collector missions face roll. put the warp ammo power on the locust for miranda and youll see what i mean

Warp Ammo is Jack, and Miranda's second power is Overload which is quite useless against the Collectors.

Samara and Zaeed are better options with Biotics and Concussive Shot/Inferno Grenade.

[Steelcan]

HellbirdIV wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

thane and miranda make collector missions face roll. put the warp ammo power on the locust for miranda and youll see what i mean

Warp Ammo is Jack, and Miranda's second power is Overload which is quite useless against the Collectors.

Samara and Zaeed are better options with Biotics and Concussive Shot/Inferno Grenade.

dat warp and slam

[rekn2]

HellbirdIV wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

thane and miranda make collector missions face roll. put the warp ammo power on the locust for miranda and youll see what i mean

Warp Ammo is Jack, and Miranda's second power is Overload which is quite useless against the Collectors.

Samara and Zaeed are better options with Biotics and Concussive Shot/Inferno Grenade.

i can bring miranda EVERYWHERE in the game and at least 1 of her powers works. yeah i got the ammo powers mixed up, my bad

[HellbirdIV]

rekn2 wrote...

i can bring miranda EVERYWHERE in the game and at least 1 of her powers works.

The same with Kaidan/Garrus. It comes with being a good Hybrid character. Kasumi also gets in on the action with her armor-smashing Shadow Strike.

They're good utility, but best reserved for fighting Mercs like Eclipse where their wide variety of defense-breakers are the most useful.

When you know what you're up against, though, having only the best suited for the job can be the difference between glorious succuess and having to reload a save ten times when playing ME2 Insanity...

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 07 août 2013 - 07:42 .

[PMC65]

rekn2 wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

thane and miranda make collector missions face roll. put the warp ammo power on the locust for miranda and youll see what i mean

Warp Ammo is Jack, and Miranda's second power is Overload which is quite useless against the Collectors.

Samara and Zaeed are better options with Biotics and Concussive Shot/Inferno Grenade.

i can bring miranda EVERYWHERE in the game and at least 1 of her powers works. yeah i got the ammo powers mixed up, my bad

This is why I say that the character's value is based off the gamer and not the character. Miranda dies on me constantly so I keep her on the Normandy. It's not that she is useless ... I just don't handle her skills well.

Jack is the biotic that fits how I play better. Her and Zaeed are my go to team in ME2. Mordin is also fun to use in combat but for RP reasons, I keep him on the Normandy with Miranda.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

PMC65 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...


I've never said she is the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. From lore standpoint, Samara, Aria and Morinth are probably more powerful. But what exactlty makes Miranda a super soldier? Her "vast" combat experience? Her catsuit? Thane isn't a trained elite soldier either. Or Jack...

Miranda is another civilian to me and stays onboard the Normandy. She is the XO and like Pressly takes over command when Shepard is on missions.

Miranda is a civilian, though she's also more of a contractor when it comes to this context. She's a crack shot and a very powerful biotic. She has extensive training that she's mentioned, and she has the practical experience and leadership capability to back it up.

Not to defend her choice of attire in all situations, but she must be knowing what she's doing if she's doing it in stiletto heels.  

Joking aside, Miranda is a Cerberus Agent and Officer who managed to elude the Illusive Man's assassin's as well as keeping the alliance off her scent (I gather that they at least know who she is since she mentions that she'd be shot on sight by the alliance if she were to try to break in to see him.)

And she does refer to herself as a Superspy in the Citadel DLC. Not that that might have been a shout-out to Chuck for fans of Yvonne or anything, but the line is there and it fits Miranda. 

Thane meanwhile is a trained Drell assassin of the Hanar, and in lore, they're held in very high esteem. He shows his mettle constantly; He seemed to take out an entire room full of Eclipse mercenaries without any problems and make a perfect execution that even Garrus compliments. I'd definitely rather have him on my team than Liara.

Jack is.... Jack. She's been a super-biotic primal beast since she was a child. She's also been a psychopathic murderer and violent convict for her entire life. She's more of force of nature in a fight than a teammate. I wouldn't want her as a teammate given her instability and unsuitability (as well as propensity for picking fights), but if I can control her rage, or, better yet, redirect it at something that needs to explode quickly, then she becomes very useful indeed.

[KaiserShep]

Jack makes some entertaining comments if you take her on a lot of missions. She had the best input when starting the reaper IFF mission.

"Trapped in a reaper. I want to shoot someone."

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HellbirdIV wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

thane and miranda make collector missions face roll. put the warp ammo power on the locust for miranda and youll see what i mean

Warp Ammo is Jack, and Miranda's second power is Overload which is quite useless against the Collectors.

Good thing Miranda has warp and slam to more than make up for it (overload is a good stun weapon and useful for overloading those pesky energy beam weapons anywho.) Her passive ability works incredibly well too for keeping people alive. Keep her in cover, warp enemies and I'll take care of the rest with Heightened Adrenaline Rush and my Assault Rifle.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

StreetMagic wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Jack makes some entertaining comments if you take her on a lot of missions. She had the best input when starting the reaper IFF mission.

"Trapped in a reaper. I want to shoot someone."

Same thing with Grunt in that mission..

*looks at charred bodies* "What a mess.....   Anybody hungry?"

Kasumi:

"I suppose it could be worse. Don't know how... There could be rats."

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Kel Riever wrote...

Miranda has combat experience and that is established right at the beginning of ME2. She may be a 'civilian' but really a more appropriate term for her is an agent of a criminal organization. One she turns on. But again, she is clearly combat trained.

She's a superspy. She even uses these words to describe herself.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I've never said she is the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. From lore standpoint, Samara, Aria and Morinth are probably more powerful. But what exactly makes Miranda a super soldier? Her "vast" combat experience? Her catsuit? Thane isn't a trained elite soldier either. Or Jack...

On top of spending the better part of 20 years in Cerberus (and even rising to the rank of second-in-command), Miranda was bred for the specific purpose of being "perfect". This, coupled with her biotics and tech, make her a valuable combatant. Thane has spent even longer fighting. He was taken from early childhood and trained by the finest hanar minds on how to become the most efficient assassin in the known galaxy. Thane is also biotic, which only adds to his prowess.

Jack doesn't seem to have any training, but she arguably makes up for it in sheer power.

"Bred to be perfect" isn't a qualification - ask Jesse Owens. Are we ever told what kind of actual combat experience Miranda has? Otherwise she's another I'd rather put in a support role.

She's a superspy by her own admission, and she was skilled enough to not get caught by Cerberus, the alliance, or the Reapers during ME3.

She's not a frontline infantry type. She's more of the talented spy who's able to quickly and covertly accomplish her mission. My Shepard is more of the Special Operations Operator rather than the 11 Bang Banger like Grunt or Ashley. 

I'd say she'd work best leading her own team like Shepard does. She does this in fact in ME3 after Horizon.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

StreetMagic wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Jack makes some entertaining comments if you take her on a lot of missions. She had the best input when starting the reaper IFF mission.

"Trapped in a reaper. I want to shoot someone."

Same thing with Grunt in that mission..

*looks at charred bodies* "What a mess.....   Anybody hungry?"

Kasumi:

"I suppose it could be worse. Don't know how... There could be rats."

That's funny too.. i don't bring Kasumi along enough ( even though I like the character).

Kasumi is one of those niche characters. She has a particular skillset, and it is very useful and valuable, but during a suicide mission? She's a master hacker and infiltrator, but she's not really the type for that kind of mission.

[PMC65]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Jack makes some entertaining comments if you take her on a lot of missions. She had the best input when starting the reaper IFF mission.

"Trapped in a reaper. I want to shoot someone."

Same thing with Grunt in that mission..

*looks at charred bodies* "What a mess.....   Anybody hungry?"

Kasumi:

"I suppose it could be worse. Don't know how... There could be rats."

Kasumi is the funniest to me in battles. I've used her just for her comments alone.

She and Mordin are my favorites when it comes to humor.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

PMC65 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Jack makes some entertaining comments if you take her on a lot of missions. She had the best input when starting the reaper IFF mission.

"Trapped in a reaper. I want to shoot someone."

Same thing with Grunt in that mission..

*looks at charred bodies* "What a mess.....   Anybody hungry?"

Kasumi:

"I suppose it could be worse. Don't know how... There could be rats."

Kasumi is the funniest to me in battles. I've used her just for her comments alone.

She and Mordin are my favorites when it comes to humor.

Mordin is good with his deadpan gallows humor. Miranda has the dry sense of humor that I also love. I don't like plain jokesters to much. I prefer the more darker, witty, and black sense of humor that you see in combat. They all have their moments though.

For example, I love when Miranda says "night night" when she kills an enemy.

[Fixers0]

Zaeed must have some best spontanous lines though.

[o Ventus]

HellbirdIV wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

thane and miranda make collector missions face roll. put the warp ammo power on the locust for miranda and youll see what i mean

Warp Ammo is Jack, and Miranda's second power is Overload which is quite useless against the Collectors.

Samara and Zaeed are better options with Biotics and Concussive Shot/Inferno Grenade.

Tell that to Praetorians and Harbinger-controlled Collectors, who have regenerating barriers. On top of that, Moranda makes short work of Scions with her Warp. Slam is almost a guaranteed 1-hit kill on unprotected Collector mooks.

[Han Shot First]

Barquiel wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Liara has Singularity. By merit of that alone she completley outclasses entire squads of elite soldiers.

Hahaha. 

No.

This is non-evidence. Making things float around a black bubble does not make one an elite soldier.

According to one of the novels, it's almost impossible to form a singularity unless the user is enormously powerful. Lore-wise, Liara is exceptionally powerful with her biotics...whether you like it or not.

But that doesn't make her a good soldier. You're using this as an excuse to justify her as being the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. I assure you, she is not. I'd put any trained Asari over her anyday.

I've never said she is the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. From lore standpoint, Samara, Aria and Morinth are probably more powerful. But what exactly makes Miranda a super soldier? Her "vast" combat experience? Her catsuit? Thane isn't a trained elite soldier either. Or Jack...

Miranda is unable to maintain the biotic bubble during the Suicide Mission, so in terms of biotic abilities she is canonically weaker than both Samara and Jack. Considering Liara has mastered singularity, which according to the canon is the most the most difficult ability to master, I think she would have been able to maintain it. I'd rank Liara as being a more powerful biotic than Miranda.

Miranda's main strength is her leadership ability.