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[HellbirdIV]

Collector mooks are not unprotected on Insanity, they all have Barriers. Overload has no significant effect on Barriers, Warp, Concussive Shot and Reave is what's effective against them.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Han Shot First wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Liara has Singularity. By merit of that alone she completley outclasses entire squads of elite soldiers.

Hahaha. 

No.

This is non-evidence. Making things float around a black bubble does not make one an elite soldier.

According to one of the novels, it's almost impossible to form a singularity unless the user is enormously powerful. Lore-wise, Liara is exceptionally powerful with her biotics...whether you like it or not.

But that doesn't make her a good soldier. You're using this as an excuse to justify her as being the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. I assure you, she is not. I'd put any trained Asari over her anyday.

I've never said she is the most badass and elite alien in the galaxy. From lore standpoint, Samara, Aria and Morinth are probably more powerful. But what exactly makes Miranda a super soldier? Her "vast" combat experience? Her catsuit? Thane isn't a trained elite soldier either. Or Jack...

Miranda is unable to maintain the biotic bubble during the Suicide Mission, so in terms of biotic abilities she is canonically weaker than both Samara and Jack. Considering Liara has mastered singularity, which according to the canon is the most the most difficult ability to master, I think she would have been able to maintain it. I'd rank Liara as being a more powerful biotic than Miranda.

Miranda's main strength is her leadership ability.

I disagree with the assertion that Liara could do it on speculation and headcanon grounds.

Of course Liara has a natural advantage with her biotics over Miranda: she's an Asari. That said, I do not believe that Liara's abilities are more than above average.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Collector mooks are not unprotected on Insanity, they all have Barriers. Overload has no significant effect on Barriers, Warp, Concussive Shot and Reave is what's effective against them.

Miranda has Warp. And then she has slam. Problem solved.

[o Ventus]

Han Shot First wrote...

Miranda is unable to maintain the biotic bubble during the Suicide Mission, so in terms of biotic abilities she is canonically weaker than both Samara and Jack. Considering Liara has mastered singularity, which according to the canon is the most the most difficult ability to master, I think she would have been able to maintain it. I'd rank Liara as being a more powerful biotic than Miranda.

Miranda's main strength is her leadership ability.

Which is made evident enough, both in Miranda's dialogue as well as through simple common sense. She hesitates when she states how powerful her biotics are, saying "they're very advanced... For a human." It's made pretty clear that she isn't a bioti god by any means. She admits that they are more powerful than other humans (aside from Jack), but that's the limit.

Never mind that Samara and Liara are both asari, who are naturally inclined to being extremely powerful in terms of biotics. Samara exceeds most matriarchs in terms of sheer power, having been a Justicars for so long (I believe she's around 600 years old?). There's no real reason why Liara is supposedly so powerful. She just is, I guess.

The only human that would rival them is Jack.

[o Ventus]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Collector mooks are not unprotected on Insanity, they all have Barriers. Overload has no significant effect on Barriers, Warp, Concussive Shot and Reave is what's effective against them.

ME2 Overload and ME2 Warp have the same effect on barriers.

ME2 barriers are laughably easy to punch through, given how so many powers can easily break them.

[Kel Riever]

I guess I'm the only one here referencing ME1 here. As the establishment of the series, I guess I kind of give it priority.

In ME1 Liara may be a civilian, but her singularity is more powerful than anybody's biotic in any following game released, including, well, her own in ME3

In that game your shepard also could get out of the Mako with a Spectre class sniper rifle and kill a Colossus in 4 shots. Which you had because silly ammo limits were added later for gameplay when the overheat mechanic was fine.

ME2 didn't have Liara until Lair of the Shadowbroker. Which is DLC anyway, so while it breaks the lore, I gave it a pass.

Yep, in ME3, Liara has singluarlity nerf.

ME1 is like saying: "She's a civilian, but her singularity kills entire enemy squads. Go ahead, don't take her if you don't want."

ME3 changes that to: "You've gotta take Liara! She crushes dixie cups with singularity!" Well, yeah, not so compelling....

[wolfhowwl]

TheWerdna wrote...
I've also noticed that bespite the rivaly between the two fan groups, Talimancers and Liaramancers have a lot of simularities in terms of mentality.

Well both characters were written similarily so that is not surprising.

ME1 Liara is socially awkward, shy, easily flustered, yet also forward about her attraction to you.

In 2, Tali picks up that torch. 
Of course, for both characters Shepard will be their first time.

HellbirdIV wrote...

Seboist wrote...

ME's non-choices require thought?

That's
kind of my point. I imagine most people pick the Paragon options in ME3 not because they just blindly pick whatever is the top choice, but they pick whatever makes the most sense - and in ME3, the Renegade choices
are always crappy.

Not always, sabotaging the Genophage is the better choice for those with Wreav or players who realize Wrex will not live forever. A pure renegade path involving the Krogan will even let you save Mordin.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 07 août 2013 - 10:34 .

[rekn2]

miranda is overpowered, shes the jack of all trades with no weakness. the locust smg makes it even more apparent

[Wynterdust]

She's a jack of all trades and competent in them all but she isn't the best at any of them. Otherwise she would then indeed be overpowered.

[PMC65]

StreetMagic wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

TheWerdna wrote...
I've also noticed that bespite the rivaly between the two fan groups, Talimancers and Liaramancers have a lot of simularities in terms of mentality.

Well both characters were written similarily so that is not surprising.

ME1 Liara is socially awkward, shy, easily flustered, yet also forward about her attraction to you.

I think what annoys me about this is that I'm simply not part of that demographic (the likes shy virgins/possibly younger demographic). I like a game that acknowledges different type of players and doesn't assume I'm into these  things. I'm trying not to insult it right now, but it's just not me. I expect this kind of niche focus on, say.. some game a friend's little daughter wants me to play with her, and it turns out to be a Barbie platformer. I have to just bear with it. But I hate running into it in games of my own choice.

Then again, I might say a lot of the writing in ME1 is kind of dorky and could only appeal to kids. Like the faceoff with Saren at the end. Shepard's got one line: "I got a few tricks left up my sleeve!" Or asking Joker for an evac out of Therum: "On the double, mister!" What is that? Sounds like something you'd hear in Saturday morning cartoons. I think the same person who wrote this crap wrote Liara's romance.

None of the games had Pulitzer Prize winning scripts to be honest.

All three games required some participation from the gamer to help craft the characters. That is why posters here feel as if X character was the best character and the only one right for Shepard. That is also why fans of a character can debate for hours on how that character really was ... look at any character thread and you will see debates. Wait, they closed them. Never mind.

I like Liara as a romance choice for a female Shepard ... and I'm female who could care less about breaking a hymen. It's highly over-rated and only guarantees that down the road she will see you as one of her life's regrets and biggest disappointments. True story. 

But I also like Ashley, Miranda and Kaidan as romance options. Each one fits a certain Shepard that I have created.

Because I do not have a Shepard that romances Jack or Garrus or Tali or Cortez or [put other character here], does not mean that they are awful characters or that I do not like them. It just means that they do not appeal to me (the gamer) and/or a Shepard that I have created as a romance options.  That other gamers enjoy them does not bother me or feel as if that means my choices are wrong. Its all personal tastes.

[Jukaga]

It's really simple people:

Femsheps romance Liara or Traynor
Sheploos romance Tali or Miranda

i don't see what is so hard about this.

[PMC65]

Jukaga wrote...

It's really simple people:

Femsheps romance Liara or Traynor
Sheploos romance Tali or Miranda

i don't see what is so hard about this.

No, no. no ...

Femsheps romance Liara or Kaidan
Sheploos romance Ashley or Miranda

Didn't you get that memo?

[HellbirdIV]

PMC65 wrote...

Jukaga wrote...

It's really simple people:

Femsheps romance Liara or Traynor
Sheploos romance Tali or Miranda

i don't see what is so hard about this.

No, no. no ...

Femsheps romance Liara or Kaidan
Sheploos romance Ashley or Miranda

Didn't you get that memo?

You spelled "Garrus" wrong.

[Jukaga]

PMC65 wrote...



No, no. no ...

Femsheps romance Liara or Kaidan
Sheploos romance Ashley or Miranda

Didn't you get that memo?

Heh, I'll throw Ash a bone in ME1 but once Tali and Miranda are available it's 'welcome to dumpsville. population: you' to Ash.

[Sir DeLoria]

PMC65 wrote...

Jukaga wrote...
It's really simple people:

Femsheps romance Liara or Traynor
Sheploos romance Tali or Miranda

i don't see what is so hard about this.

No, no. no ...

Femsheps romance Liara or Kaidan
Sheploos romance Ashley or Miranda
Didn't you get that memo?

Ashley? Which Ashley? Oh, the one I left to die on Virmire. Seriously, she's a racist ******, I never ever let her leave Virmire alive. Jukaga is pretty much right.

[Jukaga]

HellbirdIV wrote...


You spelled "Garrus" wrong.

I've tried to 'romance' Garrus as femshep but he's so damn ugly I can't ever see a human female being attracted to one, or vise versa. We must look like a pile of lumpy flesh to them as they look like bipedal spider-lobster-bird-dinosaurs to us. Works better as a friend imo. At least Thane has lips, but again just nasty imagining the 'act'.

[dreamgazer]

My DudeShep finished up the trilogy as a Jackolyte.

So, there.

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

My DudeShep finished up the trilogy as a Jackolyte.

So, there.

Spirosz will be pleased

[spirosz]

dreamgazer wrote...

My DudeShep finished up the trilogy as a Jackolyte.

So, there.

****ING RIGHT

[Jukaga]

dreamgazer wrote...

My DudeShep finished up the trilogy as a Jackolyte.

So, there.

no probs, I would go with Jack more often (not to mention Miranda, but as an Ice Queen lover I can't resist taking her sometimes) but there is just no content other than the bar scene and the Citadel DLC stuff, so Tali becomes my sheploo's choice almost by default simply because she's there. Though I would pick her more often than not anyways because, well it's Tali.

[Sir DeLoria]

Jukaga wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...


You spelled "Garrus" wrong.

I've tried to 'romance' Garrus as femshep but he's so damn ugly I can't ever see a human female being attracted to one, or vise versa. We must look like a pile of lumpy flesh to them as they look like bipedal spider-lobster-bird-dinosaurs to us. Works better as a friend imo. At least Thane has lips, but again just nasty imagining the 'act'.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Garrus, but there's a reason why I kill him off if I don't romance Tali.

[CrutchCricket]

Necanor wrote...
Seriously, she's a racist ******, I never ever let her leave Virmire alive.

Uh... no.

Stating a natural inclination to side with your own over "others" is not racist. But sure, ignoring details while bashing characters is just business as usual around here.

I'm not even primarily an Ashley fan and I found that uncalled for.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 08 août 2013 - 12:03 .

[Jukaga]

Necanor wrote...



Don't get me wrong, I really like Garrus, but there's a reason why I kill him off if I don't romance Tali.

No I get it, the intercom flirting bugged me too. I would have liked a 'what's up bro?' conversation with Garrus. But as long as Tali is locked in, it's pretty harmless. They say more risque stuff if they are both single.

edit - just reread your post. dude, if Tali is single you can't deny brother Garrus' chance with perfection. It's your fault for not choosing the clear best option for dudeshep.

Modifié par Jukaga, 08 août 2013 - 12:07 .

[HellbirdIV]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Stating a natural inclination to side with your own over "others" is not racist.

Actually that's exactly what racism is.

Racism has a natural basis in primal human psychology (it can be observed in small babies, who show clear 'preference' for people of the same genetic phenotype as their imprinted mother) where we prefer those who are similar and are afraid of those who are different.

That doesn't make it okay in a modern, developed society.