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[Cainhurst Crow]

And if your game/film/books creator can't afford for that to happen? Why wouldn't they let the audience decide the ultimate message of the story than?

[David7204]

By their very definition, any kind of meaningful theme is an ideal. Themes and friendship and unity require the player to recognize the value of their friends to be effective, for example. Themes of order and and justice require the audience to recognize such things. Themes of sacrifice require the audience to find merit in the character being sacrificed in the first place. Any and every theme requires the audience to recognize it as something worthwhile, and thus requires the audience have ideals that are parallel to the ideals of the story.

Your solution simply advocates sucking out any meaningful themes altogether. And that's not only absurd, but a crap story.

Modifié par David7204, 05 août 2013 - 07:13 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

David why do you bother with interactive fiction?

It seems like your... views are more suited to the role of a spectator.

[David7204]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

And if your game/film/books creator can't afford for that to happen? Why wouldn't they let the audience decide the ultimate message of the story than?

You do decide. You always do. The only question is whether the story supports you or not.

[Cainhurst Crow]

David7204 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

And if your game/film/books creator can't afford for that to happen? Why wouldn't they let the audience decide the ultimate message of the story than?

You do decide. You always do. The only question is whether the story supports you or not.

That sounds backwards to be perfectly honest, since the audience has the final say in what is or isn't supported or supportable in a story.

[David7204]

Uh, no, the audience ultimately has no say at all. I could write a story right now in five minutes that supports something completely ridiculous and post it online. Does my audience have any power over what my story says? No.

If the audience really did have the final say, they we wouldn't have an immense amount of people claiming 'thematic betrayals' over ME 3's ending at all would we?

Modifié par David7204, 05 août 2013 - 07:23 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

David7204 wrote...

Uh, no, the audience ultimately no say at all. I could write a story right now in five minutes that supports something completely ridiculous and post it online. Does my audience has any power over what my story says? No.

Right because its not interactive fiction.

You are aware of the difference I hope?

[David7204]

That doesn't make any difference at all. Interactive fiction has messages and themes like everything else. It must, in fact.

Modifié par David7204, 05 août 2013 - 07:23 .

[Bionuts]

We all know you're into bad girls David.

[wolfhowwl]

Bionuts wrote...

We all know you're into bad girls David.

We all like girls with big...characterization.

[Ravensword]

wolfhowwl wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Somehow I don't think that 'any competent soldier' could have fought through the Geth Dreadnought and the Geth Base on Rannoch.

Of course which is why you would send hundreds of "competent soldiers" to do the job.

For example if The Shepard doesn't do arrival, the Alliance sends a commando team and they complete the job on their own.

No one is indispensable. Others will step up and take their place.

Kind of how Liara doesn't need Shepard for the raid on the Shadow Broker's base.

[David7204]

No, kind of like the simple fact that it's not possible to write realistic 'butterfly effect' scenarios for such choices.You can't have a million completely different stories that all branch off from tiny decisions, no matter how 'realistic' that may be.

Modifié par David7204, 05 août 2013 - 07:38 .

[Bionuts]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

We all know you're into bad girls David.

We all like girls with big...characterization.

Look at these HEROES

[David7204]

You can delude yourselves into thinking every inch of skin was put in the game to grab the attention of 13 year old boys all you went. The reality is that beauty matters. And that you''d be incredibly foolish to think you're somehow 'mature' for being attracted to pretty faces, pretty eyes, pretty hair, and so forth but that you're 'above' breasts.

Modifié par David7204, 05 août 2013 - 07:43 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

David7204 wrote...

You can delude yourselves into thinking every inch of skin was put in the game to grab the attention of 13 year old boys all you went. The reality is that beauty matters.

Not nearly as much as you seem to think old boy.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 05 août 2013 - 07:45 .

[o Ventus]

David7204 wrote...

Miranda and Ashley.

...

What?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

o Ventus wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Miranda and Ashley.

...

What?

They're the only flawed LI's in a universe of flawless, kind, brave, beauties... according to Davey.

[in it for the lolz]

I see that David the been at Old Herbert's "funny stuff" again.

[David7204]

He made a comment that I considered all the love interests aside from Miranda flawless. I consider Liara, Tali, and Jack in ME 3 flawless. But not Ashley. So Miranda and Ashley are not flawless.

[o Ventus]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Miranda and Ashley.

...

What?

They're the only flawed LI's in a universe of flawless, kind, brave, beauties... according to Davey.

"No, that's stupid."

Edit: if you find something "flawless", you probably shouldn't be trying to school people on the subject.

Modifié par o Ventus, 05 août 2013 - 07:51 .

[David7204]

Uh-huh. Why is it stupid?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Miranda is my one and only in my Canon, for many reason. And she is --in my opinion-- the only "Male Shepard" Love Interest who cares 100% about the relationship. Have you seen the "break up" on YouTube? It ends in tears. I heard that every other character is ok with it.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 05 août 2013 - 07:54 .

[Bionuts]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

They're the only flawed LI's in a universe of flawless, kind, brave, beauties... according to Davey.

BUT what about HEROES and CHARACTERIZATION

[o Ventus]

David7204 wrote...

Uh-huh. Why is it stupid?

Because Liara, Tali, and Jack are "flawless" (which is objectively impossible).

[David7204]

They're smart, brave, kind, attractive, and competent. As are several other characters. They're honest. What more could I ask of a person?