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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

Explain to me how Miranda was incompetent? I'll be glad to give examples of Liara's incompetence.

Liara's incompetence you say?



She's very good at finding my laundry, I'll have you know.

[Steelcan]

StreetMagic wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

I can't blame Liara on that. No one knows about the Protheans as much as Shepard. He/she practically is a Prothean in some ways.

She dedicated her life to studying them and knew absoputely nothing about them.  Not their system of government, not their societal structure, not their religious beliefs, nothing.

It would seem that there isn't much to know by conventional study anyways. That's what I mean when I say I can't blame her. Only Saren and Shepard seem to be the real experts on Protheans.

So why recruit her?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

... Tali?

Can be dead

Harbinger?

I guess it would be up to Harby

St-stupid organic! I'm just hunting you for your essence! i-it's not like I like you or anything!

[MassivelyEffective0730]

StreetMagic wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

I can't blame Liara on that. No one knows about the Protheans as much as Shepard. He/she practically is a Prothean in some ways.

She dedicated her life to studying them and knew absoputely nothing about them.  Not their system of government, not their societal structure, not their religious beliefs, nothing.

It would seem that there isn't much to know by conventional study anyways. That's what I mean when I say I can't blame her. Only Saren and Shepard seem to be the real experts on Protheans.

Makes you wonder how a Turian who's been a career soldier and a Spectre, with a particularly obsessive grudge against humans taking up a lot of his time and thoughts, manages to learn more than a 100-year old Asari who's supposedly dedicated her life to learning about the Protheans. 

Someone must have given sexual favors through grad school...

[Melra]

I think I still smell some butthurt regarding the endings on this thread, shame... :S

[David7204]

Or it could be the far smarter and more sensible explanation that Saren learned from Sovereign.

Well, this whole thread has clearly gone downhill.

Modifié par David7204, 05 août 2013 - 10:18 .

[Mr.House]

Steelcan wrote...

Explain to me how Miranda was incompetent? I'll be glad to give examples of Liara's incompetence.

So everyone at PL station just dropped dead?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

StreetMagic wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

I can't blame Liara on that. No one knows about the Protheans as much as Shepard. He/she practically is a Prothean in some ways.

She dedicated her life to studying them and knew absoputely nothing about them.  Not their system of government, not their societal structure, not their religious beliefs, nothing.

It would seem that there isn't much to know by conventional study anyways. That's what I mean when I say I can't blame her. Only Saren and Shepard seem to be the real experts on Protheans.

So why recruit her?

I never wanted to. I thought she'd be a good lead to find Saren/Beneziah, but after speaking with her.. I get the option of saying tracking down Liara is a waste of time. Liara insists that she could still be useful. And Wrex says her biotics might be useful. So my Shep says "Great. Guess I'll add an asari to the team. Got one of each race anyways."

Ditto. Like Tali and Ashley. I never wanted Liara on my team in ME1. I was hoping to use her simply for information and then get her off on her way. I even say that Liara is pretty much a waste of time to hunt down since we have our more important leads. I end up keeping her for her knowledge which I sometimes need access to. Never leaves the ship, and really doesn't do anything beyond hit on me really awkwardly and pathetically. 

Makes me wonder how she got so obsessed with me as to not even accept my death.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Element Engine wrote...

Hudson's gotten a lot of undeserved heat. Whether you liked the ending to ME3 or not, the trilogy wouldn't be what it is without him. It's a lot like the George Lucas situation. "LUCAS RUINED STAR WARS!" Yeah, he also created it. So STFU.

People are too quick to knock others down.

You are only as good as your last work. While people may appreciate the past, it will rarely placate them for long. A businessman who made a multi-million fortune, but lost it six years later will be remembered for his failure far more often than his success. Likewise, Casey Hudson and Mac Walters, especially the latter, will always carry the stigma of "ruining ME3."

Fair or otherwise, I cannot dismiss this response out of hand. Casey and the ME team lapped up our praise and admiration. Now they have to learn the other, less appealing, side of success, criticism.

iakus wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Probably because they overthink it. And sometimes when you spend too much time with something, you start rewriting/doing over, getting obsessed with anything not ideal.. but then the end result becomes a hail mary that's even more un-ideal. I write songs (for fun mostly), but sometimes I can spend too much time with them that i end up hating something about them.. and the next thing I know, I end up redoing a little part that makes it sound like a completely different song.

It helps to get outside opinions that look over your shoulder and tell you not to mess with it, that it's great. Lucas probably needed that too with his Star Wars edits. Should've left it alone.

Sadly, I think just the opposite.  I think little to no thought went into it at all.  I suspect that after a string of successes, Biwoare began to believe theri own press.  They started thinking that their, erm poop, didn't stink, and everything they touched turned to gold.  

Then when the ending uproar hit, they were totally dumbfounded that everyone didn't eagerly lap it up like everything else Mass Effect.   To this day I dont' think they truly understand what went wrong.

Their reaction to the backlash is somewhat telling. BioWare initially attempted to ignore the vitriol, only to panic when that only made things worse, hence Jessica trying desperately to "calm the storm" so to speak. I have long theorised BioWare believed they were untouchable - the fanbase loved them. The fact both founders left the company following the backlash is too coincidental.

We shall soon find out if they understand. If Synthesis is canonised in ME4, well, we have our answer.

[Steelcan]

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Explain to me how Miranda was incompetent? I'll be glad to give examples of Liara's incompetence.

So everyone at PL station just dropped dead?

thats not even worth responding to

[Seboist]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

 "Great. Guess I'll add an asari to the team. Got one of each race anyways."

If only. I really wanted a vorcha squadmate.

And a Batarian.

[Mr.House]

Vorchas needed more love.

[The Heretic of Time]

Seboist wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

 "Great. Guess I'll add an asari to the team. Got one of each race anyways."

If only. I really wanted a vorcha squadmate.

And a Batarian.

Don't forget about the volus. I wanted one of them on my squad too.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 05 août 2013 - 10:32 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

How did this turn into a waifu war?

Besides, it is rather pointless to talk about in a way. ME3's writing was so goddamn poor that a majority of characters end up looking incredibly stupid.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 05 août 2013 - 10:35 .

[David7204]

People certainly say moronic things out of spite, don't they?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Explain to me how Miranda was incompetent? I'll be glad to give examples of Liara's incompetence.

So everyone at PL station just dropped dead?

No. They were killed by a disgruntled employee who took the term 'workplace violence' to a new level. 

As I recall, the traitor was promptly dealt with and killed by Miranda.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

People certainly say moronic things out of spite, don't they?

Case in point right here.

[Bourne Endeavor]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That's too bad. You aren't going like every character in every story, and that's really the end of it. Mass Effect is not obligated to change that by virtue of being a video game.

But what about virtue of it being a game where 'choices, decisions, and relationships matter?' as Casey Hudson put it?

You beleived him after ME2 where there was alot of railroading with certain characters?

Railroading with what characters? I'm not denying, I'm just asking which ones you're referring too.

Joker being the best example.

How do you think he was railroaded?

Shepard is happy to see Joker again and has no option to tell him off or anything else. The first sighting of auto Shepard.

Why would he tell him off.... Oh wait, yeah, this is the guy that got you killed.... Still, I think that was a pretty minor case. Very minor in fact.

Yeah, you could be railroaded into working for Cerberus in ME2. But at least you could be against it vocally. You didn't have to like it. Whereas in ME3, I can't vocalize how much I hate the alliance and the Council and really don't feel much more than some insincere affection for anyone on my crew that isn't Joker, James, or Javik. 

To be fair, a lot of that dialogue bordered on sounding like a toddler's temper tantrum. "I'll never work for Cerberus!"

*five minutes later*

"Fine, I will. But I'm not going to like it!"

While I understand they had to railroad you to an extent, it could have been handled much better. I do agree the Alliance pandering was even worse. Again, railroading may be necessary, but defer us to working with Hackett and Anderson on equal footing; "I'm helping you because of the Reapers. That's it."

Frankly, BioWare missed an excellent opportunity for character development by not allowing you to play off a rocky relationship with the Alliance. Between Anderson trying to mend fences, Hackett insisting the importance and some crew comments. There was plenty of potential that sadly went to waste.

[CronoDragoon]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
 I have long theorised BioWare believed they were untouchable - the fanbase loved them.

Weren't around for DA2, eh?

[David7204]

Shepard was a part of the Alliance and a friend to Anderson in ME 1. The only reason Shepard didn't work for them in ME 2 was because they weren't fighting the collectors. But they're sure as hell fighting the Reapers in ME 3. So what justification does Shepard have for hating them? Pettiness?

Modifié par David7204, 05 août 2013 - 10:43 .