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[chemiclord]

Fandango9641 wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

SiniisteR wrote...

Element Engine wrote...

Hudson's gotten a lot of undeserved heat. Whether you liked the ending to ME3 or not, the trilogy wouldn't be what it is without him. It's a lot like the George Lucas situation. "LUCAS RUINED STAR WARS!" Yeah, he also created it. So STFU.

People are too quick to knock others down.

+1

- 100

+100.  Now we've cancelled each other out.  Oh no!

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+ Infinity + 1!!!!

[Xamufam]

@Fandango9641
@chemiclord
Stop acting like children

Modifié par Troxa, 04 août 2013 - 09:34 .

[bleetman]

Well, if the idea was to make something people would be talking about for a while, good job. Mission accomplished. It makes me wonder what the intention behind all those pre-release statements regarding how the ending wouldn't 'pull a Lost' and leave players with unanswered questions if the objective was mystery, but ok.

I mean I would've thought the preference would be for talking about how good it was rather than having over a year of people pointing out all the ways it was stuffed so full of bull**** it was bursting at the seams, but apparently not.

Modifié par bleetman, 04 août 2013 - 09:35 .

[Iakus]

Omega Torsk wrote...

Well, he certainly did succeed, didn't he? >

Gone Horribly Right

Modifié par iakus, 04 août 2013 - 09:34 .

[AresKeith]

Element Engine wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Element Engine wrote...

Hudson's gotten a lot of undeserved heat. Whether you liked the ending to ME3 or not, the trilogy wouldn't be what it is without him. It's a lot like the George Lucas situation. "LUCAS RUINED STAR WARS!" Yeah, he also created it. So STFU.

People are too quick to knock others down.

So without Casey, the ME trilogy would not be a inconsistant mess that is not even a trilogy with one of the worst endings possible for a story that insults the IQ of it's player?

Also Lucas did create SW, you do know many of the things people loved about 4,5 and 6 where not even created by Lucas right? It was all peer review as lucas did not have laot of freedom in 4,5 and 6. He did have freedom in ep 1,2 and 3. It shows. Casey might have created ME but he destroyed it because he wanted people to talk.

If you're so negative towards the series gtfo the forums and move on with your life. Focus on the things that make you happy. Talk about self-entitlement.

>implying that's he really negative towards the series 

[jstme]

So something unforgettable was the goal and they intended to achieve this by making ending vague controversial and prone to speculations. What a silly idea. Want to make something really unforgettable - make something good, with a soul.
Controversy alone helps to create hype but in a short time it is almost always forgotten while quality can carry over generations.
So maybe they indeed just wanted to create more publicity to the product by making it hit the headlines. They just miscalculated with the backlash magnitude.

[Mr.House]

Element Engine wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Element Engine wrote...

Hudson's gotten a lot of undeserved heat. Whether you liked the ending to ME3 or not, the trilogy wouldn't be what it is without him. It's a lot like the George Lucas situation. "LUCAS RUINED STAR WARS!" Yeah, he also created it. So STFU.

People are too quick to knock others down.

So without Casey, the ME trilogy would not be a inconsistant mess that is not even a trilogy with one of the worst endings possible for a story that insults the IQ of it's player?

Also Lucas did create SW, you do know many of the things people loved about 4,5 and 6 where not even created by Lucas right? It was all peer review as lucas did not have laot of freedom in 4,5 and 6. He did have freedom in ep 1,2 and 3. It shows. Casey might have created ME but he destroyed it because he wanted people to talk.

If you're so negative towards the series gtfo the forums and move on with your life. Focus on the things that make you happy. Talk about self-entitlement.

1:I'm looknig forward to DAi
2:I have friends on here
3:I can comment on ME any way I dam want as long as it does not break the rules. This is a discusion forum. If you don't like it, how about you gtfo instead of crying because people don't kiss Biowares butt?

[JonathonPR]

I think that the series will be forgotten. You have to want to pass something on and there is only so much media any one person can consume.

[Raizo]

Mr.House wrote...

LoU and Infinite where able to get the players talking without having a ending that was bs. Just saying Casey.

I haven't finished The last of Us Yet since I'm not exactly a fan of survial/horror games but I have heard nothing but praise for that game's story telling. As for Bioshock infinite, gameplay was mediocre but that did not matter because the narrative was so awesome it got me to persevere through all the tedious combat and I was rewarded with one of the most satisfying endings to ever grace any game, heck any story telling medium period.

I have nothing against polarising storytelling or controversial endings if they are done right. ME3's original endings were just plain awful. inteligent writing stopped before Priority Earth and all writing all togther stopped after Shepard made his choice, like it never occured to Bioware that the gamers would want to know what happened to everyone after Shepard made his choice. The EC endings are helpful but fall way short of giving me the closure I need to move on.

[Element Engine]

Walder Frey avatar. Clearly a bitter person.

[Xamufam]

Raizo wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

LoU and Infinite where able to get the players talking without having a ending that was bs. Just saying Casey.

I haven't finished The last of Us Yet since I'm not exactly a fan of survial/horror games but I have heard nothing but praise for that game's story telling. As for Bioshock infinite, gameplay was mediocre but that did not matter because the narrative was so awesome it got me to persevere through all the tedious combat and I was rewarded with one of the most satisfying endings to ever grace any game, heck any story telling medium period.

I have nothing against polarising storytelling or controversial endings if they are done right. ME3's original endings were just plain awful. inteligent writing stopped before Priority Earth and all writing all togther stopped after Shepard made his choice, like it never occured to Bioware that the gamers would want to know what happened to everyone after Shepard made his choice. The EC endings are helpful but fall way short of giving me the closure I need to move on.

It's an action/adventure/survival not horror

Modifié par Troxa, 04 août 2013 - 09:39 .

[Mr.House]

Element Engine wrote...

Walder Frey avatar. Clearly a bitter person.

And you're a robot with no emotion judging by your avie.

[Element Engine]

Close enough.

[jstme]

Element Engine wrote...

Walder Frey avatar. Clearly a bitter person.

Geth avatar. Clearly a networking bot. 

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Mission Failed:Mass Effect 3 has been mostly forgotten

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Its fine to make something unforgettable and debatable. But having a nonsensical "rocks fall everyone dies" clustercrap is definitely not the way to do it.

[Raizo]

Troxa wrote...

Raizo wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

LoU and Infinite where able to get the players talking without having a ending that was bs. Just saying Casey.

I haven't finished The last of Us Yet since I'm not exactly a fan of survial/horror games but I have heard nothing but praise for that game's story telling. As for Bioshock infinite, gameplay was mediocre but that did not matter because the narrative was so awesome it got me to persevere through all the tedious combat and I was rewarded with one of the most satisfying endings to ever grace any game, heck any story telling medium period.

I have nothing against polarising storytelling or controversial endings if they are done right. ME3's original endings were just plain awful. inteligent writing stopped before Priority Earth and all writing all togther stopped after Shepard made his choice, like it never occured to Bioware that the gamers would want to know what happened to everyone after Shepard made his choice. The EC endings are helpful but fall way short of giving me the closure I need to move on.

It's an action/adventure/survival not horror

I wasn't really sure how to classify The Last of Us.The last time I played it was the day after at it came out, I did not get very far but I do remember fighting a lot of the Infected, The 'Runners' and a few 'Clickers'. All that sneaking around not to mention how very scarse resourses such as ammo are remind me to much of the Survival/Horror genre. I not big on combat heavy games but I hate it when play games and I don't have the option to take the combat route either for every situation either ( I know, I'm very hard to please ).

[o Ventus]

chemiclord wrote...

Raizo wrote...

Having said that, I think casey Hudson said what he said before ME3 came out and all he backlash happened. In a way it's very sad that he felt that a proper ending wasn't good enough for the trilogy and that he felt that he had to get all controverial in order for anyone to remember the series.

Let's be perfectly blunt... ME was not particularly memorable.  In was, in fact, a fairly generic space opera.  Had it ended in a perfectly "normal" fashion, it WOULD have been forgotten pretty quickly.

Now, with that said, the PROPER solution to that is to actually compose a memorable story, not resort to the M. Night Sham-a-layman "twist" that you stole pretty much verbatim from someone else.

You state these like they're objective truths.

Modifié par o Ventus, 04 août 2013 - 09:48 .

[chemiclord]

o Ventus wrote...

You state these like they're objective truths.

Not intentionally, I assure you.  Merely my assessment of the series as a whole.

Modifié par chemiclord, 04 août 2013 - 09:51 .

[Mello]

Those articles are around 5 months old. Nothing's new here.

[Tonymac]

SiniisteR wrote...

Element Engine wrote...

Hudson's gotten a lot of undeserved heat. Whether you liked the ending to ME3 or not, the trilogy wouldn't be what it is without him. It's a lot like the George Lucas situation. "LUCAS RUINED STAR WARS!" Yeah, he also created it. So STFU.

People are too quick to knock others down.

+1

Hudson is in the same realm as Lucas in this - they have a lot in common.

They both created something far beyond what their personal talent is capable of.  In other words, if you look at what Star Wars was before it got edited (and it was not edited by Lucas) - it was utter garbage.  Sure - he had some great ideas, and all in all I loved the originals.  Same can be said of ME1 and 2.  Those games were stellar.

What Lucas and Hudson fell into was the thought that all of the creativity sprouted from them.  Lucas went on to write this prequel trash story of Anakin and his fall from grace.  It was a great idea, but there was a lot of badness involved.   Darth Vader made C3PO.  *riiiiight*  Jar Jar sucked, and pretty much all Gungans were badly written.  The whole 'Phantom Menace' was basically a menace.  Lucas lost the spark - mostly because he 1) is a bad writer and 2) does not listen to critique.

Same story with Hudson and Walters going in to write the ending with no peer review.  The story was bad, the overall arc was pretty terrible.  Lets introduce a new bad guy in the last 11 minutes, and have no boss-fight even though we got trolled by Reapers for 2 games in a row.  After dealing with Harbinger for ALL of ME2, I was ready to punch his ticket!  No dice!! *In my Vader voice 'Noooooooo!"

Hudson dropped the ball with ME3.  All he was trying to do here with this old article is to perform damage control and save face.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Every producer of a story wants it widely talked about -- that would typically indicate success by them.



Is it so hard to believe that BW simply miscalculated and delivered an ending that didn't create the desired response?

I will say it yet again (in one of your threads): the answer to everything is not "indoctrination."

[Iakus]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Is it so hard to believe that BW simply miscalculated and delivered an ending that didn't create the desired response?

Pre-EC, perhaps.

Post EC, no way.