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[Wayning_Star]

[Ledgend1221]

This thread is stupid.

Still, it has better writing then the ME3 ending.

[3DandBeyond]

Wayning_Star wrote...


I'd suspect that understanding an advanced computer of the billions year past could be considered incalculable..at least mildly so..

Except I'd counter with the fact that the term "advanced" is used way too often and loosely.  I do not think it means what you think it means. 

It implies intelligent.  The kid is called the intelligence but this is from the idiots that created him so take that with a grain of salt.  They have little basis to call anything intelligence since they sorely lacked any.

At least I'd think that given all of the combined knowledge of those assimilated over the past millions of years there would be one thought of some other way to handle things other than annihilation of those at the top of the food chain, but no this super advanced computer that sees all and knows all can't even comprehend the geth and their example.  And he can't see that organics do have the capability of dialogue in the face of conflict, except that's exactly the tool used at the end with Shepard.  And it's what he implies in saying the reapers aren't interested in war-well what the frick are they interested in then?  All those little chats with Sov and Harbie never indicated they wanted to meet on Match.com.

The kid does not seem to understand cooperation since he can't see that it's possible for organics and synthetics to achieve it, but he's looking for cooperation from Shepard.  He's expecting cooperation between organics and synthetics but at the same time does not think it's possible.  Ok.  Artificial intelligence is just about right-not real intelligence at all.

[dreamgazer]

The BSN. The BSN never changes.

[AresKeith]

Official DJ Harbinger wrote...

Don't waste your time people, OP is clearly a Bio Drone.

Or he liked it and wants to know why others didn't

[SilentStep79]

*head explodes*

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Dubozz wrote...

OnlyMrChill wrote...
So why all the hate towards the ending(s) of this game?

Try this. Or this. Or this. Or this. Or this. Or this.
also.
prerelease developers quotes.

The developer quotes reveal the truth - the people's expectations were entirely justified, because the developers had the same expectations. It's hard to say that we expected too much when the developers felt the same way we did (at last at one point in time.)

As far as I can see, only a few people's belief systems are reinforced by the endings, and they seem to be the only ones who passionately defend them. Usually by arguing how everyone else's interpretation is wrong - but that's just my observation from the few times I've waded into the pool of S&C ending discussion.

Being one of those people makes you pretty lucky, OP. The rest of us had to suffer through one of the biggest let-down endings of all time.

Mass Effect is like the first Superman movie. It's an epic achievement, a beautifully-rendered story, an inspiring and ambitious project for its time, and it possesses an ending that undoes the bulk of the magic it created on the way there.

[Argentoid]

Official DJ Harbinger wrote...

Don't waste your time people, OP is clearly a Bio Drone.

Probably before the endings... you were one.

[AlanC9]

3DandBeyond wrote...

If they don't work hit the off switch.  Destroy is not needed-you control them right?  Turn them off.  Or is this not about the reapers?  Of course it is and it isn't all at the same time.  What matters is using the reapers to solve a problem that no longer is all that relevant but is best exemplified by the existence of the reapers.  Oh frack.

If you can turn the Reapers off in Control, you don't need to. It's just throwing away a useful tool.

Modifié par AlanC9, 05 août 2013 - 03:35 .

[AlanC9]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

As far as I can see, only a few people's belief systems are reinforced by the endings, and they seem to be the only ones who passionately defend them. Usually by arguing how everyone else's interpretation is wrong - but that's just my observation from the few times I've waded into the pool of S&C ending discussion.

Which belief systems are you referring to? I suppose I fit your hypothesis, since as far back as ME1 I figured that there was some really stupid AI programming at the bottom of everything.

[shingara]

AlanC9 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

If they don't work hit the off switch.  Destroy is not needed-you control them right?  Turn them off.  Or is this not about the reapers?  Of course it is and it isn't all at the same time.  What matters is using the reapers to solve a problem that no longer is all that relevant but is best exemplified by the existence of the reapers.  Oh frack.

If you can turn the Reapers off in Control, you don't need to. It's just throwing away a useful tool.

Why in the name of all thats holy do you think shepard would chose control ??? seriously on what planet. From the begining of the franchise shepard has said control will never work, that it cannot work and the only real option is to destroy them and even states that to tim right before that scene, and you honestly think a little boy hologram is gonna convince shepard to grab hold of 2 electrical pylons that would outright kill them simply cos the kid says ye sure, thats fine, honest thats how it works.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Troll thread. OP reported for spam.

[jstme]

AlanC9 wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

As far as I can see, only a few people's belief systems are reinforced by the endings, and they seem to be the only ones who passionately defend them. Usually by arguing how everyone else's interpretation is wrong - but that's just my observation from the few times I've waded into the pool of S&C ending discussion.

Which belief systems are you referring to? I suppose I fit your hypothesis, since as far back as ME1 I figured that there was some really stupid AI programming at the bottom of everything.

Thats awesome. Amazing,even -  especially since Bioware did not figure it out till end of 2011 and lead writer of ME1 and most of ME2 conisidered Dark Energy plot. 
Also, i was not really active on those forum prior to ME3 but i have serious doubts that after ME1 and even ME2 there were lots of posters claiming that it is really stupid AI programming at the bottom of everything. 

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
If you can turn the Reapers off in Control, you don't need to. It's just throwing away a useful tool.

Why in the name of all thats holy do you think shepard would chose control ??? seriously on what planet. From the begining of the franchise shepard has said control will never work, that it cannot work and the only real option is to destroy them and even states that to tim right before that scene, and you honestly think a little boy hologram is gonna convince shepard to grab hold of 2 electrical pylons that would outright kill them simply cos the kid says ye sure, thats fine, honest thats how it works.

Umm... you read what I actually posted, right? If Control works well enough to order the Reapers to shut down, ordering them to do so is pointless. Arguing that Control wouldn't work, or Shepard wouldn't believe it would work, has nothing to do with what I wrote.

And the evidence for Control being viable is exactly the same as the evidence for Destroy being viable. Your logic leads straight to Refuse.

[shingara]

AlanC9 wrote...

shingara wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
If you can turn the Reapers off in Control, you don't need to. It's just throwing away a useful tool.

Why in the name of all thats holy do you think shepard would chose control ??? seriously on what planet. From the begining of the franchise shepard has said control will never work, that it cannot work and the only real option is to destroy them and even states that to tim right before that scene, and you honestly think a little boy hologram is gonna convince shepard to grab hold of 2 electrical pylons that would outright kill them simply cos the kid says ye sure, thats fine, honest thats how it works.

Umm... you read what I actually posted, right? If Control works well enough to order the Reapers to shut down, ordering them to do so is pointless. Arguing that Control wouldn't work, or Shepard wouldn't believe it would work, has nothing to do with what I wrote.

And the evidence for Control being viable is exactly the same as the evidence for Destroy being viable. Your logic leads straight to Refuse.

 Actualy the evidence for destroy is the only one that stacks up at all based upon the previous statements of shepard through the trilogy, control involves grabbing some pylons and hoping for the best, synthesis involves jumping into a giant laser and hoping for the best, refuse results in sitting down and crying like a baby and hoping for a quick death and destroy results in the breath of life added later.

 So 4 suicide options but with the twist that only 1 person made it to the citidel up the beam and anderson being in the cutscene for destroy. But all in all they are all hashed stupid and very bad endings for what was tobe the greatest trilogy rpg on the planet.

Modifié par shingara, 05 août 2013 - 04:11 .

[dsl08002]

OnlyMrChill wrote...

dsl08002 wrote...

Everyone has the right for their own opinion,

But i dont share this opinion about best ending, more liley the worst ending.

Saving humanity from an impossible war, having your crew make it out alive, and having the possibility of the main protagonist still being alive is the worst ending to a game about a war in space? Okay.

Its the delivery and the quality of the ending.

"You have the ingridience  as you say right there,  but if you dont Cook it right its going to be rubbish"

[AlanC9]

jstme wrote...
Thats awesome. Amazing,even -  especially since Bioware did not figure it out till end of 2011 and lead writer of ME1 and most of ME2 conisidered Dark Energy plot. 
Also, i was not really active on those forum prior to ME3 but i have serious doubts that after ME1 and even ME2 there were lots of posters claiming that it is really stupid AI programming at the bottom of everything. 

I'm not saying I'm a genius or psychic. I just worked the problem and couldn't see a rational Reaper plan. Well, except for something like the Dark Energy plot; I knew about that one since Bio stole it from Frederik Pohl's Heechee novels, which I've read. But I figured that Bio would never have the Reapers be right all along, unlike Pohl's Foe. Bio and I just ended up in the same place.

We didn't talk about this stuff too much back in the day, true.

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...

 Actualy the evidence for destroy is the only one that stacks up at all based upon the previous statements of shepard through the trilogy, control involves grabbing some pylons and hoping for the best, synthesis involves jumping into a giant laser and hoping for the best, refuse results in sitting down and crying like a baby and hoping for a quick death and destroy results in the breath of life added later.

Huh? Shepard's statements are evidence? Of what? Shepard doesn't know jack about what the Crucible does. He says so himself.

[Sir DeLoria]

OnlyMrChill wrote...

I also didn't care for the Geth or Tali and her species dying. 

Big. Mistake.

[shingara]

AlanC9 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 Actualy the evidence for destroy is the only one that stacks up at all based upon the previous statements of shepard through the trilogy, control involves grabbing some pylons and hoping for the best, synthesis involves jumping into a giant laser and hoping for the best, refuse results in sitting down and crying like a baby and hoping for a quick death and destroy results in the breath of life added later.

Huh? Shepard's statements are evidence? Of what? Shepard doesn't know jack about what the Crucible does. He says so himself.

 Have you even played mass effect, I am asking seriously if you are honestly saying shepard never says destroying the reapers is what they are going todo throughout the trilogy.  Shepards statements are the fact of what he is planning todo from the very start.

 BTW joker wants a word with you youtu.be/ni7H6RqtN8A

Modifié par shingara, 05 août 2013 - 04:21 .

[JamesFaith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Troll thread. OP reported for spam.

Different (positive) opinion on ME3 = troll attempt and spam.

Typical.

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Huh? Shepard's statements are evidence? Of what? Shepard doesn't know jack about what the Crucible does. He says so himself.

 Have you even played mass effect, I am asking seriously if you are honestly saying shepard never says destroying the reapers is what they are going todo throughout the trilogy.  Shepards statements are the fact of what he is planning todo from the very start.

Oh, I get it. It sounded like you were saying Shepard shouldn't have thought Control would work, rather than that he just wouldn't have picked it.

I'm still not seeing your point. Shepard wanted to do something before so therefore he... shouldn't be permitted to do something different when he gets to the Crucible? I thought letting the player make decisions was a good thing. Am I wrong?

Modifié par AlanC9, 05 août 2013 - 04:31 .

[Sir DeLoria]

JamesFaith wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Troll thread. OP reported for spam.

Different (positive) opinion on ME3 = troll attempt and spam.

Typical.

"I didn't care for the Geth, Tali or the extermination of her species. I only cared for myself..."
"Best ending I've ever experienced in a vidoe game..."

Yeah, not a troll at all.

Modifié par Necanor, 05 août 2013 - 04:33 .