Dragon Age1103 wrote...
Sandtigress wrote...
Dragon Age1103 wrote...
I do not hate Alistair but I tend to dislike him more & more as the game progresses. I didn't even hate him after his childish actions at the Landsmeet but I did lose respect for him.
When I first met him I found him to be witty, funny, charming but after the landsmeet he lashed out like a spoiled child for the last time. He let his emotions get the better of him & destroy his judgment for what was best for his country, for Ferelden!
I wish i could of been the one to end his life, he deserved it for taking the same path as Loghain. Using some pathetic excuse to only bring harm to his country. Loghain was paranoid of the Orlesians & Alistair was too childish to let go of the past & stand for what was best for Ferelden. Because of his rash actions we lost a great Grey Warden but gained a legendary General. (depending on how you played it out.lqtm.)
But is taking Loghain into the Wardens necessarily the best thing for Ferelden? I don't think there are any compelling reasons why it has to be that way. In fact, I think its just as easy to see how letting Loghain live is just as bad for Ferelden as killing him would be.
Anora may make a big fuss over Alistair's emotional outburst, but that guy is her father. Is she really any better for calling Alistair out to save her father's life? I think you can see it both ways.
Most of my characters have seen Alistair's point after he lists off the numerous evil things that Loghain has done, and have gone with his decision. That isn't to say that one hasn't tried to spare Loghain, and maybe another will.
But I really don't think its such a black and white decision - spare Loghain good for country, kill him bad for country. There are pros and cons to both sides, depending on your point of view and your own personality.
I can't agree that you can see it both ways. Loghain is not scheming at the Landsmeet after you defeat him. He admit he sees something in you he hasn't seen since Maric died. He holds much more value than Alistair, why?
He saw that he let fear & paranoia get the best of him & that we(your character) are a HUGE asset to ending the blight b/c we are so strong & due to the influence we hold over others. Alistair would make a terrible king, he whines often, he can't let go that Duncan died plus he constantly blames himself effecting his judgment constantly. He is not old or wise nor is he a general of renown. He has very little to offer what we got from him(info, grey warden history, stories,) we can get in more detail from Riordin. He serves little to no purpose...he is loyal yes but he acts like a child all the time.
Specifically to how the game plays out though it doesn't really matter if you take loghain b/c stat wise he is not superior to Alistiar nor do we gain a benefit from his experience as a general b/c we never use him for that he just joins our party. If we did though in my opinion he is clearly the better choice for Ferelden.
See, I see Alistair as having the potential to be a great king (and this coming from a perspective where both my female PCs have romanced him and thus spent a great deal of time with him in conversation and what not). They believed he had what it took to lead the country and do it well, especially because he has a good heart and strong ideals for justice and right.
Loghain on the other hand can be seen as too cut throat and too black and white in some ways for what Ferelden needs. Loghain isn't afraid to do despicable things to get the job done. Sometimes, maybe that's what's necessary. But not everyone sees every situation as "do this or fail miserably" - some would try their hardest to do what's right and hope that it turns out in the end. Maric was that way, I think, at least at his core, though he had hard decisions to make too.
If you (or your PC) is the type that will do the dirty job to get the result you want, then I can see Loghain as being a great asset. If you're the idealist who will do their damndest to not only do something but to do it right, in the right way as well as for the right purpose, then Alistair has great potential to be king.
Maybe he's a bit childish at times, but so was Cailan. The PC probably won't know this, but so was Maric. There'es no doubt in the peoples' minds that Maric was a great king. Cailan was well-loved even if Anora technically ruled the kingdom.
I see Alistair as having all the heart it takes to be a great king, because he cares about the people - he'd do his best to do right by them. Loghain, even after being apologetic, still cares more about the country than the individuals, and Anora probably falls somewhere in that same camp.
Like I said, it all depends from your perspective, but I really don't see it as a "there is no doubt that Loghain is the best thing for Ferelden". I hate the way Anora rules the country in her epilogue, for instance, and Anora is very similar to her father. But its a situation in where I can see both sides, and depending on the character, I could go either way.
But me, personally? Alistair on the throne, maybe married to Anora for her poltical savvy. I would spare Loghain if I could for his heroism and his loyalty to the country, but not at the cost of a good man on the throne.
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Sure is fun.
I was totally waiting to hear a " you killed my father, prepare to die" joke in there somewhere... *sigh*
