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[jennamarae]

I really just don't see how people think he's whiny.. Aside from the few conversations where you bring up things he's upset about, he's cracking jokes all the time. If he were flesh and blood and not pixels on a screen you all wouldn't be complaining about it. You'd see it as valid emotions for someone who just lost the only real home they've ever had. But since he's pixels it makes him whiny? You all do realize that he's not supposed to be an emotionless cyborg right?

[Skellimancer]

jennamarae wrote...

I really just don't see how people think he's whiny.. Aside from the few conversations where you bring up things he's upset about, he's cracking jokes all the time. If he were flesh and blood and not pixels on a screen you all wouldn't be complaining about it. You'd see it as valid emotions for someone who just lost the only real home they've ever had. But since he's pixels it makes him whiny? You all do realize that he's not supposed to be an emotionless cyborg right?

I would love a cyborg companion.

[jennamarae]

Skellimancer wrote...

I would love a cyborg companion.

So would I, but I don't expect Alistair to be that guy.

[DreGregoire]

I happen to like Alistair as a character and if you make certain choices he shows his mettle. Honestly I don't know many people in life who don't whine at some point in time or other. Oh and if you think he isn't manly isn't Sten enough of a man to make up for it? lol. I still remember screaming like a girl when Sten attacked me until I remembered I was playing a male and defeated him in one on one combat. *smirks" It is my opinion that all the companions are written very well, they weren't just added to your party with no background, they all have pasts and their actions are based on this. I haven't found any inconsistent actions on the part of any of the companions, no as a hero I might be a bit insane. That's what I've been told anyways, I prefer ruthless.. lololol I think Wynne's conversations give you the best perspective on who or what you can be to the people.

L2A

[AnniLau]

I (heart) Alistair

[Bibdy]

Umanix wrote...

Bibdy wrote...

This shows throughout the rest of the game, when you're forced between 2 difficult choices in Redcliffe and attempting to recruit/punish Loghain at the Landsmeet.

Two difficult choices in Redcliffe? Hmmm. I think someone is neglecting to look for other options.

That's not the point. Given those 2 options, I had to pick one and regardless, he gets mad. There's no way to explain to him, or he's got his head too high up in the clouds to see it for himself, standing there right next to me the whole time, that it was necessary.

Its not like he knows about some other magical way to save them both, unless I go trapsing off to the Circle Tower. Off-topic, but I don't think that option should have ever existed, anyway. It escapes that situation too easily. It was a well-written morally ambiguous choice you have to make, completely ruined by the "Save the Universe Before Breakfast" option. Just felt like a huge cop-out. Give me 2 tough choices and that's it! Really turn this game into a grim, gritty world where Grey Wardens really do have to make tough choices and decide between 'moral highground' or 'any means necessary', because the eye should always be on the prize: Get the job done and kill the Archdemon. If you have to stomp the heads of a few bunnies to get there, so be it. At least you saved the damned world!

[Starlight]

I find it hard to believe people will have such a cold-blooded and utterly unsympathetic manners.



You blame Alistair get whiny about what you did to his family? Try to ****** in your family's grave when someone did that to your family.



I will leave this thread for good.

[Skellimancer]

Bibdy wrote...


Its not like he knows about some other magical way to save them both, unless I go trapsing off to the Circle Tower. Off-topic, but I don't think that option should have ever existed, anyway. It escapes that situation too easily. It was a well-written morally ambiguous choice you have to make, completely ruined by the "Save the Universe Before Breakfast" option.

100% agree.

There should have been a huge risk heading off to the tower. The demon should have razed the town while you were away.

[syllogi]

Can't be bothered to spell "Alistair" correctly, despite seeing his name in the game for many hours...CHECK

Can't post this thread in the spoiler forum where it would belong, or look for one of the many ongoing "Allster sux" threads...CHECK

Can't articulate even one example of why he hates him...CHECK

Yep, nothing new or unique in this thread.  Well, at least the DG iceburns were worth the read. 

[AnniLau]

Bibdy wrote...

That's not the point. Given those 2 options, I had to pick one and regardless, he gets mad.

There are three options, regardless of whether you think the third was 'appropriate' or whatever you're going on about..

Modifié par AnniLau, 18 janvier 2010 - 09:37 .

[Skellimancer]

Starlight wrote...

I find it hard to believe people will have such a cold-blooded and utterly unsympathetic manners.

You blame Alistair get whiny about what you did to his family? Try to ****** in your family's grave when someone did that to your family.

I will leave this thread for good.

rofl. bye.

There should have been no rescue option, other than the blood magic.

[_Aine_]

He is young, idealistic, inexperienced and still somewhat...unbroken. He gives your character the opportunity to be a friend or be an ass. Yes, he is somewhat still like a child ( and he really was rather protected except for the past 6 months if you base it on the game alone) so yes, he probably does not react to the world in a hardened manly " I have more balls than tears" sort of manner. But so? Chances are the people rife with hatred enough that it spills out into forum posts have issues dealing with their own emotions, or those of the people around them. Which, also is fine, to each their own. No-one is asking anyone to love Alistair. But its not a failing of the character any more than hating the character would be a fault of your own.



I have had my issues with Alistair at times because his naivety reminds me of every mistake I made growing up feeling outside of the cool kids Alistair is NOT one of the cool kids, he is the medicated boy who probably just ate too much sugar who parents have him treated because they cant deal with his illogical exuberance. lol I still like him in a dorkish way. He just hasnt learned that his own opinion is as valid as someone who doesnt blush senselessly, stutter, lock himself in cages for fun or end up post-battle without his pants....



Now that it is in spoilers.... alistairs personality is one of the reasons why i always struggle with putting Alistair on the throne. Do I allow him to indulge his sense of duty while denying who he has shown himself to be our entire relationship? Is forcing him into the role cruel or will it help harden him into a more secure role? He is full of idealism, similarly so seemed his brother and frankly that ended up a good portion of his ruin....



If you really dispell your opinions to get to know the characters as though they were real people, it really makes Alistair take on a different tone. To me it did, anyway.

[Dahelia]

Bibdy wrote...

Umanix wrote...

Bibdy wrote...

This shows throughout the rest of the game, when you're forced between 2 difficult choices in Redcliffe and attempting to recruit/punish Loghain at the Landsmeet.

Two difficult choices in Redcliffe? Hmmm. I think someone is neglecting to look for other options.

That's not the point. Given those 2 options, I had to pick one and regardless, he gets mad. There's no way to explain to him, or he's got his head too high up in the clouds to see it for himself, standing there right next to me the whole time, that it was necessary.

Its not like he knows about some other magical way to save them both, unless I go trapsing off to the Circle Tower. Off-topic, but I don't think that option should have ever existed, anyway. It escapes that situation too easily. It was a well-written morally ambiguous choice you have to make, completely ruined by the "Save the Universe Before Breakfast" option. Just felt like a huge cop-out. Give me 2 tough choices and that's it! Really turn this game into a grim, gritty world where Grey Wardens really do have to make tough choices and decide between 'moral highground' or 'any means necessary', because the eye should always be on the prize: Get the job done and kill the Archdemon. If you have to stomp the heads of a few bunnies to get there, so be it. At least you saved the damned world!

He doesn't know??? Jowan TELLS him about the Lyrium and the Circle of Magi himself...This is suppose to be a story...not a "Let's get to point B and end it" That would be boring...imagine if Mass Effect was like that...or Fallout 3.

[Finiffa]

It's quite ironic really that the people that call him whiny and weak get all pissed off when he decides to disagree with their actions, especially at Redcliff and the Landsmeet. So he stands up for himself and HIS vision of how a Grey Warden should behave and suddenly its wrong that he shows character? I guess you DO just want a puppy following you around then....

[Skellimancer]

Dahelia wrote...



He doesn't know??? Jowan TELLS him about the Lyrium and the Circle of Magi himself...This is suppose to be a story...not a "Let's get to point B and end it" That would be boring...imagine if Mass Effect was like that...or Fallout 3.

Actually i killed Jowan on sight.

[Dahelia]

Skellimancer wrote...

Starlight wrote...

I find it hard to believe people will have such a cold-blooded and utterly unsympathetic manners.

You blame Alistair get whiny about what you did to his family? Try to ****** in your family's grave when someone did that to your family.

I will leave this thread for good.

rofl. bye.

There should have been no rescue option, other than the blood magic.

When there is a whole tower of Magi with massive amounts of Lyrium and having the ability to go into the fade...I believe there will always be another option.

[Eruanna Guerrein]

David Gaider wrote...

Tell you what.

Next time we put in a male lead, we will make sure to make him the manliest and most stoic creature you could possibly imagine. Just for you. He will be so manly he will suck the body hair right off of John Wayne and make Chuck Norris weep with envy. He will never show a single emotion, not even at his grandmother's funeral, and will never utter a single complaint about your actions... he will simply reach out of the game, slap you across the face and then take over the party.

The rest of the party won't mind, and neither will you... because he will be that awesome. Deep down inside you will resent him, and resent the fact that every NPC in every town the party enters falls in love with him and not with you. But that part of you also knows he deserves that love. Even needs it.

I am certain there is not a single fault that you or anyone could find with such a character.

No John Wayne or Chuck Norris, please! I'd be very happy with more Alistair and not simply because I enjoy him but also because I love watching so many whine about how much he whines. The irony is just too delicious.

Kudos on all the characters!

[Skellimancer]

Finiffa wrote...

It's quite ironic really that the people that call him whiny and weak get all pissed off when he decides to disagree with their actions, especially at Redcliff and the Landsmeet. So he stands up for himself and HIS vision of how a Grey Warden should behave and suddenly its wrong that he shows character? I guess you DO just want a puppy following you around then....

Already got my Gnasher =)

[Dahelia]

Skellimancer wrote...

Dahelia wrote...



He doesn't know??? Jowan TELLS him about the Lyrium and the Circle of Magi himself...This is suppose to be a story...not a "Let's get to point B and end it" That would be boring...imagine if Mass Effect was like that...or Fallout 3.

Actually i killed Jowan on sight.

Not me...plus everyone knows the demons are in the fade and the only way you can go to the fade is by magic...and massive amounts of Lyrium...but then again. Most people don't pay attention to a story. That is what is kill RPGs....

[Skellimancer]

Dahelia wrote...


Not me...plus everyone knows the demons are in the fade and the only way you can go to the fade is by magic...and massive amounts of Lyrium...but then again. Most people don't pay attention to a story. That is what is kill RPGs....

How would I know that? I am no mage.

[Finiffa]

TeenZombie wrote...
Yep, nothing new or unique in this thread.  Well, at least the DG iceburns were worth the read. 

Lol so true

[Dahelia]

Skellimancer wrote...

Dahelia wrote...


Not me...plus everyone knows the demons are in the fade and the only way you can go to the fade is by magic...and massive amounts of Lyrium...but then again. Most people don't pay attention to a story. That is what is kill RPGs....

How would I know that? I am no mage.

If you even bothered talking to anyone in Ostagar including the guard at the beginning and Wynne...even a Templar guarding the Magi camp...you would learn a lot.

[AnniLau]

It's not like the 3rd option is an easy decision either...you can save the Arl's family, but you're leaving a demon rampaging around the castle to who know what effect while you go trotting off the Mage tower.