Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Skellimancer wrote...
SO if Loghain was a lot younger and was romancable, you would pardon him?
Nope. Though i would inform him that he had ruined his chances of getting the best lay in his life. Right before I decaptitated him.
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Grey Wardens recruit nice guys right along side hardened criminals. Obviously, there is much more to being a Warden than being a hard-ass. Obviously, they need people with morals and standards as much as they need pragmtists.
Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
"Ya know... one good thing about the blight is how it brings people together."
Tis getting beyond a joke, I wash my hands of this stupid topic because once again it's turned into an Alistair vs Loghain debate.
*Best Morrigan impression* MADDENING!
I will leave with this one note though, anyone that thinks that the only way to spare Loghain is via meta-gaming choices really is no better than anyone whom thinks Alistair is just full of whine, so please those that do, don't try to make yourselves out any better because you aren't and all you are proving is that you really don't know much about Ferelden history or that much of a roleplayer whom can't think out the numerous ways you could roleplay it.
Modifié par Skellimancer, 18 janvier 2010 - 11:11 .
Bibdy wrote...
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Grey Wardens recruit nice guys right along side hardened criminals. Obviously, there is much more to being a Warden than being a hard-ass. Obviously, they need people with morals and standards as much as they need pragmtists.
Obviously? Explain that to me. Its not obvious. Where is the use in people like that? All the Grey Wardens need is for people to keep them around (i.e. don't get involved in politics), stay vigilent, and kick some ass when the time comes. They don't NEED anyone with moral fiber, in fact, they're all better off without it, because all they need to do is win. The less distracted you are by conscience and moral compunction, the better. Even you, as the head-honcho Warden, can fly or falter based on a relationship with one of your party members. Nobody's perfect, but when the chips are down, someone's got to get the job done. And if getting that job done means leaving Captain Whinypants off to cry himself to sleep, so be it.
Skellimancer wrote...
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Skellimancer wrote...
SO if Loghain was a lot younger and was romancable, you would pardon him?
Nope. Though i would inform him that he had ruined his chances of getting the best lay in his life. Right before I decaptitated him.
I approve +10
Skellimancer wrote...
Yes, this is why i was devastated when Daveth died during the joining, he seemed a really cool guy with a good head on his shoulders.
SUCH A WASTE!
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Skellimancer wrote...
Yes, this is why i was devastated when Daveth died during the joining, he seemed a really cool guy with a good head on his shoulders.
SUCH A WASTE!
I agree on Daveth. I would have least liked to have been able to nail him before the joining. He was also braver in the end than Jory was.
Not to mention i would not need that loonatic Leliana.
Speaking for myself, that is not what I am saying at all. Rather that the only way you can know it's going to turn out fine with Loghain in the Grey Wardens redeeming himself is through spoiler knowledge. And all that hero of River Dane stuff looks rather dim by the end of the game. Therefore we agree that there are numerous ways to roleplay this, and all I am saying is that one needn't make the Loghain decision based on Alistair at all.Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
I will leave with this one note though, anyone that thinks that the only way to spare Loghain is via meta-gaming choices really is no better than anyone whom thinks Alistair is just full of whine, so please those that do, don't try to make yourselves out any better because you aren't and all you are proving is that you really don't know much about Ferelden history or that much of a roleplayer whom can't think out the numerous ways you could roleplay it.
Modifié par Addai67, 18 janvier 2010 - 11:22 .
Bibdy wrote...
Sandtigress wrote...
But really, does every Grey Warden need to be capable of doing that? To try and not spoiler the books, the Commander of the Wardens recruits someone no one else thought she should recruit. Maybe she had her own reasons for doing so, maybe she did it for the good of the order, but she did what she wanted the way she wanted it done. There wasn't a Warden in her command who agreed with it.
There's a reason why Duncan is the Warden Commander in Ferelden - he can make choices like that. It doesn't mean that one is a bad Warden for not being able to or wanting to do so - it just makes them not Commander material, at least in some eyes.
Alistair's human (a video game human, but still). I don't really blame him for thinking its ridiculous to let Loghain in. Most of my characters have agreed with him - one would have given Loghain a second chance but not at the cost of losing someone she thought would be a good king, and she couldn't kill him in the end anyways, someone else had to do it. Would you really want to fight next to someone who killed your surrogate family and your father figure and have to call the man brother? I think I might have blown up at someone who was trying to force me to do that too.
Isn't that the entire point? The Grey Wardens give away their lives (sometimes involuntarily) to save the world. No joke. They die from the Darkspawn poison, eventually. Abandoning the Grey Wardens (i.e. pull an Alistair) because you object the decisions of the Commanders (i.e. you), on a moral basis is simply cowardice, and not acceptable in any military unit. They all have to be ready to do whatever it takes, without hesitation, to defeat the Darkspawn, otherwise they fall.
Bibdy wrote...
Obviously? Explain that to me. Its not obvious. Where is the use in people like that? All the Grey Wardens need is for people to keep them around (i.e. don't get involved in politics), stay vigilent, and kick some ass when the time comes. They don't NEED anyone with moral fiber, in fact, they're all better off without it, because all they need to do is win. The less distracted you are by conscience and moral compunction, the better. Even you, as the head-honcho Warden, can fly or falter based on a relationship with one of your party members. Nobody's perfect, but when the chips are down, someone's got to get the job done. And if getting that job done means leaving Captain Whinypants off to cry himself to sleep, so be it.
David Gaider wrote...
Gee. Are those the only options?Skellimancer wrote...
Funny, i thought the writers would be pleased to hear our debates about the story. Guess they want praise or nothing.
And
people at work wonder why I come here. Clearly it must be for the heaps
of praise and interesting, intellectually stimulating debates that are
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I was about to reply too, but you expressed it very well, thanks.Addai67 wrote...
Speaking for myself, that is not what I am saying at all. Rather that the only way you can know it's going to turn out fine with Loghain in the Grey Wardens redeeming himself is through spoiler knowledge. And all that hero of River Dane stuff looks rather dim by the end of the game. Therefore we agree that there are numerous ways to roleplay this, and all I am saying is that one needn't make the Loghain decision based on Alistair at all.Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
I will leave with this one note though, anyone that thinks that the only way to spare Loghain is via meta-gaming choices really is no better than anyone whom thinks Alistair is just full of whine, so please those that do, don't try to make yourselves out any better because you aren't and all you are proving is that you really don't know much about Ferelden history or that much of a roleplayer whom can't think out the numerous ways you could roleplay it.
Skellimancer wrote...
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Skellimancer wrote...
I never take leliana, I just respec Zev top open locks.
With Daveth, at least, discussing your hair would not end up later to a rather disturbing love confession that seems to come out of left field.
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Skellimancer wrote...
I never take leliana, I just respec Zev top open locks.
With Daveth, at least, discussing your hair would not end up later to a rather disturbing love confession that seems to come out of left field.
I thought we were just friends, and then suddenly she's asking me if I've been leading her on, and did I love Alistair or her! 
Finiffa wrote...
I was about to reply too, but you expressed it very well, thanks.Addai67 wrote...
Speaking for myself, that is not what I am saying at all. Rather that the only way you can know it's going to turn out fine with Loghain in the Grey Wardens redeeming himself is through spoiler knowledge. And all that hero of River Dane stuff looks rather dim by the end of the game. Therefore we agree that there are numerous ways to roleplay this, and all I am saying is that one needn't make the Loghain decision based on Alistair at all.
Addai67 wrote...
Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
I will leave with this one note though, anyone that thinks that the only way to spare Loghain is via meta-gaming choices really is no better than anyone whom thinks Alistair is just full of whine, so please those that do, don't try to make yourselves out any better because you aren't and all you are proving is that you really don't know much about Ferelden history or that much of a roleplayer whom can't think out the numerous ways you could roleplay it.
Speaking for myself, that is not what I am saying at all. Rather that the only way you can know it's going to turn out fine with Loghain in the Grey Wardens redeeming himself is through spoiler knowledge. And all that hero of River Dane stuff looks rather dim by the end of the game. Therefore we agree that there are numerous ways to roleplay this, and all I am saying is that one needn't make the Loghain decision based on Alistair at all.
Sandtigress wrote...
The Leliana romance thing totally threw me for a loop.
Skellimancer wrote...
Stop with the love already!
David Gaider wrote...
Tell you what.
Next time we put in a male lead, we will make sure to make him the manliest and most stoic creature you could possibly imagine. Just for you. He will be so manly he will suck the body hair right off of John Wayne and make Chuck Norris weep with envy. He will never show a single emotion, not even at his grandmother's funeral, and will never utter a single complaint about your actions... he will simply reach out of the game, slap you across the face and then take over the party.
The rest of the party won't mind, and neither will you... because he will be that awesome. Deep down inside you will resent him, and resent the fact that every NPC in every town the party enters falls in love with him and not with you. But that part of you also knows he deserves that love. Even needs it.
I am certain there is not a single fault that you or anyone could find with such a character.
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