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Lord knows this will likely be locked before it reaches page two because this site is super sensitive or can't have nice things, but this has turned into a neat convo on another forum I visit, and I would like to see the thoughts and opinions others have and see if we can have a bit of a civil discourse. I find my chances of having a good life or winning the lottery slightly greatly higher, but oh well, In part this is mainly in response to the regrets thread.

First off this is the OP's opion in quotes so save the beating sticks.

I think they are quite annoying, we all have problems, we all have to deal with hard issues, but most of us don't feel the need to ask help to unknown people on internet.

It's pathetic when a person cries on internet about how sad and miserable is his life, if you have problems, you should solve it by your own like a mature person and don't run away from the reality. You will never find a good solution here.

What are your thoughts on this people?



And here was my reply.


Ehh in the public arena you shouldn't do it really. Its annoying and just generally off putting,  plus most people will online only be asses and make fun of you anyways, more so those first world problems, now I have trusted some of my bad crap with close friends from online. The general public no. It doesn't seem a good idea honestly.

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I don't find it annoying but it is not a good idea they will just get the ****** taken out of them by some anonymous pricks

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Sometimes a person feels like the only place they can ask for help is the internet. The anonymity of a digital persona can often be the only vehicle some people are comfortable enough with to discuss their problems.

Granted, it is sometimes an attempt at trolling, attention hogging or just plain whining, especially for some of the "problems" in life. But other times, people feel they don't legitimately have another place to turn. And in those cases, I wouldn't want someone to feel they had no way in the world to express their problems.

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We all have problems, angst, and are more emotional than what we let on. But it's normally contained. As a result, people tend to assume that everything is okay with you UNTIL you snap out of anger or burst into tears. Or they may judge your expression as such. ( If it's a sad expression. ) I will admit some people have more problems than others.

People that tease you for talking about a problem do it because it makes them feel better. Maybe they don't have that same problem you do or they know they are miserable as well and teasing you takes away some of their pain. Or they may have other problems that could be a symptom of their overall person. The fact that most people are self absorbed plays a role as well.

When sharing a problem in general, you just have to be EXTREMELY CAREFUL as to who you explain it to. The person you share it with could have ill intentions. ( using or taking advantage of you, laughing behind your back, etc )

My only problem with people telling me their problems is that
A) I'm desensitized and jaded to most problems
B) Lots O times, people tend to exaggerate certain aspects or leave things out when sharing their problems with you. That or just strait up lie. So you can never really know the true story.

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Well I guess I'll get the convo rolling as no one else here seems able or willing.

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Sometimes a person feels like the only place they can ask for help is the internet. The anonymity of a digital persona can often be the only vehicle some people are comfortable enough with to discuss their problems.

Granted, it is sometimes an attempt at trolling, attention hogging or just plain whining, especially for some of the "problems" in life. But other times, people feel they don't legitimately have another place to turn. And in those cases, I wouldn't want someone to feel they had no way in the world to express their problems.



Well given what you are saying you feel alot of them have no choice but to turn to the general public, is it as you feel they have no friends, they want a broader sample? What? And what would be your example of "problems"? Also what if the situation were to change for example in the west and at the UN alot of talk has been ongoing of using laws like we are seeing in Asia where a person will have to register a email or social networking ID tied to who they really are? For example what if in place of  RockSmaher 47 it said JohnSmith of Norfolk or the like? Would it then still be understandable?


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We all have problems, angst, and are more emotional than what we let on. But it's normally contained. As a result, people tend to assume that everything is okay with you UNTIL you snap out of anger or burst into tears. Or they may judge your expression as such. ( If it's a sad expression. ) I will admit some people have more problems than others.

People that tease you for talking about a problem do it because it makes them feel better. Maybe they don't have that same problem you do or they know they are miserable as well and teasing you takes away some of their pain. Or they may have other problems that could be a symptom of their overall person. The fact that most people are self absorbed plays a role as well.

When sharing a problem in general, you just have to be EXTREMELY CAREFUL as to who you explain it to. The person you share it with could have ill intentions. ( using or taking advantage of you, laughing behind your back, etc )

My only problem with people telling me their problems is that
A) I'm desensitized and jaded to most problems
B) Lots O times, people tend to exaggerate certain aspects or leave things out when sharing their problems with you. That or just strait up lie. So you can never really know the true story.



You seem to look at it from a trust angle not that I blame you, on the hand of issues you pointed out, I find it funny how so many people try and hold things in, praticularly opinions on another. It can be said thats not healthy, but is letting everyone know? As to problems true enough, though I find those who harp on there own problems while ignoring that of others to be distasteful.

As to the teasing I wonder if thats the case. I mean for some I'm sure, for others its just to be jerks or as they don't care, or maybe like to see others suffer. Or they might see it as a problem worthy of being berated for. Then again in the age of the net and faceless people maybe there is a fundamental disconnect between people.

As to telling your own problems or hearing those of others, it is true that trust is a fundamental issue and none of us are mindreaders, or are we? Image IPB

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Well given what you are saying you feel alot of them have no choice but to turn to the general public, is it as you feel they have no friends, they want a broader sample? What? And what would be your example of "problems"? Also what if the situation were to change for example in the west and at the UN alot of talk has been ongoing of using laws like we are seeing in Asia where a person will have to register a email or social networking ID tied to who they really are? For example what if in place of RockSmaher 47 it said JohnSmith or Norfolk of the like? Would it then still be understandable?


I think if such laws were to be enacted across the board, you'd see much less of these types of comments, yes.

Then again, people do the exact same thing with their Facebook accounts, which are attached with their real names for the whole public world to see... so maybe I'm wrong.

Problems can be any number of things. I've seen people come out on the internet about their sexual preferences, unsure of how to make the changes in their lives to accept themselves, let alone have others accept them. Or people who have suffered through abuse and, out of fear or shame, don't feel their is anyone in their lives they can talk to about it.

Or maybe someone's iPhone had their screen crack and they are devasted #firstworldproblems. It's all a matter of perspective. I wouldn't say no one should be able to talk about their problems, ever, simply because there may actually be a small percentage of people who truly don't have anywhere else to go.

Just my own two cents on the matter.

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RedArmyShogun wrote...

Well I guess I'll get the convo rolling as no one else here seems able or willing.

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Sometimes a person feels like the only place they can ask for help is the internet. The anonymity of a digital persona can often be the only vehicle some people are comfortable enough with to discuss their problems.

Granted, it is sometimes an attempt at trolling, attention hogging or just plain whining, especially for some of the "problems" in life. But other times, people feel they don't legitimately have another place to turn. And in those cases, I wouldn't want someone to feel they had no way in the world to express their problems.



Well given what you are saying you feel alot of them have no choice but to turn to the general public, is it as you feel they have no friends, they want a broader sample? What? And what would be your example of "problems"? Also what if the situation were to change for example in the west and at the UN alot of talk has been ongoing of using laws like we are seeing in Asia where a person will have to register a email or social networking ID tied to who they really are? For example what if in place of  RockSmaher 47 it said JohnSmith of Norfolk or the like? Would it then still be understandable?


Seraph Cross wrote...

We all have problems, angst, and are more emotional than what we let on. But it's normally contained. As a result, people tend to assume that everything is okay with you UNTIL you snap out of anger or burst into tears. Or they may judge your expression as such. ( If it's a sad expression. ) I will admit some people have more problems than others.

People that tease you for talking about a problem do it because it makes them feel better. Maybe they don't have that same problem you do or they know they are miserable as well and teasing you takes away some of their pain. Or they may have other problems that could be a symptom of their overall person. The fact that most people are self absorbed plays a role as well.

When sharing a problem in general, you just have to be EXTREMELY CAREFUL as to who you explain it to. The person you share it with could have ill intentions. ( using or taking advantage of you, laughing behind your back, etc )

My only problem with people telling me their problems is that
A) I'm desensitized and jaded to most problems
B) Lots O times, people tend to exaggerate certain aspects or leave things out when sharing their problems with you. That or just strait up lie. So you can never really know the true story.



You seem to look at it from a trust angle not that I blame you, on the hand of issues you pointed out, I find it funny how so many people try and hold things in, praticularly opinions on another. It can be said thats not healthy, but is letting everyone know? As to problems true enough, though I find those who harp on there own problems while ignoring that of others to be distasteful.

As to the teasing I wonder if thats the case. I mean for some I'm sure, for others its just to be jerks or as they don't care, or maybe like to see others suffer. Or they might see it as a problem worthy of being berated for. Then again in the age of the net and faceless people maybe there is a fundamental disconnect between people.

As to telling your own problems or hearing those of others, it is true that trust is a fundamental issue and none of us are mindreaders, or are we? Image IPB


In addition to trust there is a waste of time. Seriously, I can't count how many times a person came to me with a problem for a mistake they made and they ended up making that same mistake again..

True none of us are mindreaders but it's kinda contradictory. People are too focused on themselves to see the problems of other people but they themselves have problems and feel lonely but don't want to share them..... If our society was more respectful and interdependent then this wouldn't be an issue. because everyone would be helping people. But being the polarized country that we are.... well that just can't happen.

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I think it's an enticing platform to vent out all your problems at. If you vent all your problems and some random dude from Russia tells you that you're stupid and that you should get over it, then you won't feel as bad as if a family member(or friend) told you as much--especially if it was the family member (or friend) that caused the problem in the first place. I don't really like to do it because it doesn't really solve the problem as much as letting it be brought to light to the people in real life that matter to you. They are usually the ones with the proper perspective on you and your life to settle the bad situation. However, I can understand why people do it and I don't judge or berate them on it. Just don't expect a sympathetic or serious answer, it's hard enough for me to do for people I actually know.

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About a yearish ago I made a thread were I basically just vented about something that had happened at work, people were surprisingly sympathetic and I got to admit I felt a hell of a lot better just been able to get my frustration out there.

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Sometimes it's just TMI and I don't care. I find it extremely annoying, especially here on a video game website.

The only time I'll care about anyones problems is if I really know them or care about them. So I tend to ignore when I see someone posting stuff like that. I just can't be bothered.

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Fast Jimmy wrote...

Well given what you are saying you feel alot of them have no choice but to turn to the general public, is it as you feel they have no friends, they want a broader sample? What? And what would be your example of "problems"? Also what if the situation were to change for example in the west and at the UN alot of talk has been ongoing of using laws like we are seeing in Asia where a person will have to register a email or social networking ID tied to who they really are? For example what if in place of RockSmaher 47 it said JohnSmith or Norfolk of the like? Would it then still be understandable?


I think if such laws were to be enacted across the board, you'd see much less of these types of comments, yes.

Then again, people do the exact same thing with their Facebook accounts, which are attached with their real names for the whole public world to see... so maybe I'm wrong.

Problems can be any number of things. I've seen people come out on the internet about their sexual preferences, unsure of how to make the changes in their lives to accept themselves, let alone have others accept them. Or people who have suffered through abuse and, out of fear or shame, don't feel their is anyone in their lives they can talk to about it.

Or maybe someone's iPhone had their screen crack and they are devasted #firstworldproblems. It's all a matter of perspective. I wouldn't say no one should be able to talk about their problems, ever, simply because there may actually be a small percentage of people who truly don't have anywhere else to go.

Just my own two cents on the matter.


Hmm idk I think fundamentally people that use both see them differently, like most of those on facebook I would find hard to see them as a forum, as forums are often seen as "lol nerd hangouts" while some in fact on here I have seen see facebook as too public. When in fact they both are the same, or can be.

Hmm as to those problems true enough, though I've noticed romance based topics in praticular get A LOT of heat, lord knows I throw it on em. Well the stupid ones at least like "How do I get  this girl to like me." And yeah abuse can keep people down you tell a cat its a dog often enough and it'll bark.

First world problems though..I remember a user who I won't named that once was Q_Qing on here as his parents bought him a car that wasn't the kind he wanted, I pretty much snapped at him for that, I really think people that can't see problems like that arn't major have some serious issues, or are just stuck up snobs.

Well its not a bad two cents at least its a opinion.


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In addition to trust there is a waste of time. Seriously, I can't count how many times a person came to me with a problem for a mistake they made and they ended up making that same mistake again..

True none of us are mindreaders but it's kinda contradictory. People are too focused on themselves to see the problems of other people but they themselves have problems and feel lonely but don't want to share them..... If our society was more respectful and interdependent then this wouldn't be an issue. because everyone would be helping people. But being the polarized country that we are.... well that just can't happen.


So are you under the Impression most people don't learn from ones mistake? not that I don't disagree.

Hmm maybe true but you still have to figure how to do that, you can't make people just care, on the other hand while you have those that don't you do have some that on the other hand that care too much. In the end which is better? I think a middle ground is best.

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I think it's an enticing platform to vent out all your problems at. If you vent all your problems and some random dude from Russia tells you that you're stupid and that you should get over it, then you won't feel as bad as if a family member(or friend) told you as much--especially if it was the family member (or friend) that caused the problem in the first place. I don't really like to do it because it doesn't really solve the problem as much as letting it be brought to light to the people in real life that matter to you. They are usually the ones with the proper perspective on you and your life to settle the bad situation. However, I can understand why people do it and I don't judge or berate them on it. Just don't expect a sympathetic or serious answer, it's hard enough for me to do for people I actually know.


I find this reply to be of note and have some questions for you, why would a faceless persons insults hurt less? In asia the Laws there were promoted as people were killing themselves over those insults. ITs like when someone is a huge dick and goes "lol jeeze its just the net" Mostly as they don't want **** coming down on them. Text is no less powerful than words I think, and those that think other wise tend to rationalize it. But at the same time I do think most of whats online is a joke, but some people on here are maliace. At the same time, when you speak on problems with other people.

For example lets say a family member has treated you baddly but doesn't see what they did as wrong? Its a waste of time and space going to them so should the issue be forgotton, left to a few friends or what?


Isichar wrote...

About a yearish ago I made a thread were I basically just vented about something that had happened at work, people were surprisingly sympathetic and I got to admit I felt a hell of a lot better just been able to get my frustration out there.



I'm replying to this mainly given Madhanars above reply. If people had made fun of you and torn you down, how would that have changed you do you think?

Also feel free to talk among each other, we have five varrying view points here.

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The internet is the last place you want to bring your issues, unless it's an internet based support group for a very specific problem. The anonymity is grand for helping people feel a little safer but it's also what makes others more likely to ridicule for the sake of ridicule. I don't find it annoying or pathetic (everyone has had issues in their life at one point or another) so much as I do find it foolish, unless as I already stated the group or forum is designed specifically for support to keep the hostile/unsympathetic elements away.

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RedArmyShogun wrote...

First world problems though..I remember a user who I won't named that once was Q_Qing on here as his parents bought him a car that wasn't the kind he wanted, I pretty much snapped at him for that, I really thing people that can't see problems like that arn't major have some serious issues, or are just stuck up snobs.



Oh man thats just too funny :lol:

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Depends on how they do it and what "grievances" they're voicing, really.

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RedArmyShogun wrote...

Isichar wrote...

About a yearish ago I made a thread were I basically just vented about something that had happened at work, people were surprisingly sympathetic and I got to admit I felt a hell of a lot better just been able to get my frustration out there.



I'm replying to this mainly given Madhanars above reply. If people had made fun of you and torn you down, how would that have changed you do you think?

Also feel free to talk among each other, we have five varrying view points here.


I was more then prepared for that. In this case I was more interested in venting about something I could not do much about, rather then looking for justification or pity. Plus it does helps to have perspectives from people that have no investment to you personally. The only reason I think most people were actually sympathetic is its something generally that happens to a lot of people in the workforce, unfortunately.

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RedArmyShogun wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I think it's an enticing platform to vent out all your problems at. If you vent all your problems and some random dude from Russia tells you that you're stupid and that you should get over it, then you won't feel as bad as if a family member(or friend) told you as much--especially if it was the family member (or friend) that caused the problem in the first place. I don't really like to do it because it doesn't really solve the problem as much as letting it be brought to light to the people in real life that matter to you. They are usually the ones with the proper perspective on you and your life to settle the bad situation. However, I can understand why people do it and I don't judge or berate them on it. Just don't expect a sympathetic or serious answer, it's hard enough for me to do for people I actually know.


I find this reply to be of note and have some questions for you, why would a faceless persons insults hurt less? In asia the Laws there were promoted as people were killing themselves over those insults. ITs like when someone is a huge dick and goes "lol jeeze its just the net" Mostly as they don't want **** coming down on them. Text is no less powerful than words I think, and those that think other wise tend to rationalize it. But at the same time I do think most of whats online is a joke, but some people on here are maliace. At the same time, when you speak on problems with other people.

For example lets say a family member has treated you baddly but doesn't see what they did as wrong? Its a waste of time and space going to them so should the issue be forgotton, left to a few friends or what?


I don't necessairly think it is a waste of time to vent on the internet or to confide to some friends on the internet, as I said I understand it, I just feel that some mean heartedness is to be expected. It's a platform where people feel they can say whatever negative thing they want without the typical negative repurcussions they'd normally face in real life. Making fun of someone who just lost a loved one on the internet might result in a ban at the most, doing the same thing in real life might very well lose the respect of your peers and loved ones. Since this is the case, internet forums are places of extremes and (for the most part) honesty. People are going to "keep it real" or even come at you disrespectfully to get a rise out of you to have their entertainment for the night. So that's why I feel that Russia dude's opinions matter less. There are people out there that are genuinly caring and helpful, so sometimes it's worth wading through the crap that you're most likely to get so you can come across them.

Long story short, internet insults matter less because they are more expected.

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Isichar wrote...

RedArmyShogun wrote...

Isichar wrote...

About a yearish ago I made a thread were I basically just vented about something that had happened at work, people were surprisingly sympathetic and I got to admit I felt a hell of a lot better just been able to get my frustration out there.



I'm replying to this mainly given Madhanars above reply. If people had made fun of you and torn you down, how would that have changed you do you think?

Also feel free to talk among each other, we have five varrying view points here.


I was more then prepared for that. In this case I was more interested in venting about something I could not do much about, rather then looking for justification or pity. Plus it does helps to have perspectives from people that have no investment to you personally. The only reason I think most people were actually sympathetic is its something generally that happens to a lot of people in the workforce, unfortunately.


Yeah, and I'm not really saying that berating people is right or anything. It's just kind of to be expected. People generally respond better to something they can relate to or that they can sort of project themselves on to.

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It is useless to speak of 'Internet' as if it were some one homogeneous hive mind type of an entity. It'd be like asking if it is possible to have a good conversation in a coffee table.

I visit couple of boards where most all use full RL name when posting. Remove anonymity from picture and people either stop being ässholes or at the very least are ässholes with backbone. In such boards it prolly usually isn't up to debate wether or not Internet has value as a "crisis QQ I have issues let me speak of them" - type of a vent for some. - It does. Of course,  boards where we all hide behind Internet personas are another matter. Bring a genuine problem here and much of response will be nothing but waste-of-our-lives snarling.  That is surely the case in most all boards where one isn't known as Xzar of Zhentarim but instead, conviniently hiding behind some silly name like "LTD"

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I would say it depends on the problem as well as on the forum.

As far as the BSN goes, I would not publicly share my problems since I don't expect that these forums can handle that sort of a discussion.

I have seen forums which can for the most part, however.

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My opinion is:

Do not expect help from someone that knows nothing about your situations. Problems are very specific to one's environment, personality, etc.! A random peron on the internet will never have the right idea to deal with problems more complex than "where do I find the nearest beauty salon?".

Secondly, numbers dictate that with a large audience comes large capacity for stupidity and malice. More people will give bad advice and more people will deliberately give very, very bad "advice" just because they are jerkasses. And the positive crowd usually stays silent because-

Thirdly, how can we know those problems are genuine and not some attempt to bait attention? Why would anyone reasonable expect random, anonymous masses to even care to help you with a problem to give viable advice. And how could anyone seriously trust those same people? If you have a problem, talk with your friends, relatives or other trusted people (colleagues, teachers, etc.).


Asking for help on the internet is like prodding a bee hive with a stick to get at the honey. Sure, there might be delicious stuff in there, but the hell it will do its best to make sure you wont get any of it.

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To qoute Lou Holtz: "Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them."

While that is fairly true, sometimes it's good to spill the emotions that are boiling inside you. Even if you know that others don't give ten sh*ts or might make fun of you. People don't like hearing about problems other than their own so it's also kinda pointless to vent, especially on the net. Heh, guess when you can't really complain to anyone in real life you resort to the net in hopes that a "buddy" online will give his digital shoulder to cry on and reassure you that it's not so bad. Then again, like Neofelis said, some people just want attention and whine for the sake of getting it. So yeah, I think that folks shouldn't cry on the internet and hope that someone will feel sorry for them. You can't really feel bad for people you don't know/ haven't met in rl.

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I have no opinion of it, if you don't want to read peoples problems, then don't read.

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I think as long as you don't talk about your private parts and your relatives it's OK, but to make a topic/thread about them is problematic. Well, as long as you don't say the details it's alright.

Also be aware of exaggerators, liers, trolls, mockers etc.

Based on the forum you're on and your luck you may get sympathies and solutions, or the reverse of them.

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That really depends on whether or not you just randomly brought it up out of nowhere in public, or if it was inquired about in a private setting with someone you trust.

Also, it's kinda better if the person doesn't "whine" about it. Like, if someone states a hardship in their life matter-of-factly, and with no hint of passive-aggressiveness or irony, it's much less annoying than someone who just randomly starts spouting out their problems.

I remember me and some friends were talking about our art projects together in class. (Art class, obviously.) And this girl just randomly says, loud enough for the whole class to hear, "My dad hits me."

That's... y'know, I'm sorry to hear that, but that's totally inappropriate to just say out of nowhere.Now I know that's not on the internet, but I don't really see a difference to be honest. People usually react the same way to both situations. Online or not.

All that being said, I've seen threads with people asking about girl troubles or things like that, which I would have never been able to muster up the courage to do when I was single, so I don't hold it against them, so long as they're just asking for advice, and not fishing for a shoulder to cry on.

Wow, ramble.

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The Mad Hanar wrote...

Isichar wrote...

RedArmyShogun wrote...

Isichar wrote...

About a yearish ago I made a thread were I basically just vented about something that had happened at work, people were surprisingly sympathetic and I got to admit I felt a hell of a lot better just been able to get my frustration out there.



I'm replying to this mainly given Madhanars above reply. If people had made fun of you and torn you down, how would that have changed you do you think?

Also feel free to talk among each other, we have five varrying view points here.


I was more then prepared for that. In this case I was more interested in venting about something I could not do much about, rather then looking for justification or pity. Plus it does helps to have perspectives from people that have no investment to you personally. The only reason I think most people were actually sympathetic is its something generally that happens to a lot of people in the workforce, unfortunately.


Yeah, and I'm not really saying that berating people is right or anything. It's just kind of to be expected. People generally respond better to something they can relate to or that they can sort of project themselves on to.


Pretty much. The internet is great for getting some outside perspective but you certainly cant expect people to cater to your feelings, in particular with all the trolls.

I do overall consider myself jaded to the opinions on the internet, which makes things much more enjoyable and simple. I cant imagine using the internet and feeling emotionally invested in what people said online...

Modifié par Isichar, 05 août 2013 - 08:48 .