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[brushyourteeth]

"In the chaos surrounding the beginning of the game, you're reforming the Inquisition, not as part of the Church, not a part of the Chantry, you actually stand apart from it, in fact, based on these events, actually in opposition to it."

- Mark Darrah, Source


Now, we know that as of the end of David Gaider's Asunder, there are essentially three large factions of Chantry.
- The Imperial Chantry (in the Tevinter Imperium)
- The offshoot Orlesian Chantry that has abandoned the authority of Divine Justinia and now pursuing all former Circle mages that seems to consist of the majority of the Templar Order.
- The traditional Orlesian Chantry that is still loyal to the Divine (which appears to include Cassandra and Leliana)


Before anyone gets over-excited, I'm certain that the developers will give each player the chance to express either agreement with, disagreement with, or ambivalence toward the Chantry as we're used to seeing it. They won't force us into a moral or religious point of view. However, Mark Darrah's "based on these events" comment seems to hint at some pretty special circumstances.



What are your thoughts about what this could mean?

Also, I know we're getting more info shortly (tomorrow, Wednesday, August 7th, in fact) but could we get any dev help in understanding Mr. Darrah's comments?



Update 8/7/13: Mike Laidaw in new Game Informer video (at 1:43) "It's formed in opposition to the Chantry will."
(possibly means the Chantry didn't want your involvement, not necessarily that you will butt heads at some point)

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 07 août 2013 - 07:51 .

[R2s Muse]

I see it just saying that the new Inquisition is the ultimate independent investigative arm, beholden literally to none. Like it sounds the "First" Inquisition was according to World of Thedas. The fact that it suggests the Inquisition is in opposition to the Chantry "based on these events" suggests to me that you're not categorically anti-Chantry but perhaps you disagree with the Chantry about how to solve the Veil rip and chase down the "agents of chaos."

[Reznore57]

I think the current (sort of ) nice Divine is going to die ,and a pro templar divine will be put on the invisible throne by people like Lambert.
The chantry will go thru a witch hunt , burning books , (that you need), etc...

I guess you could still be pro chantry , but if you want to solve your problem you have no choice but to go against the chantry on some levels.

I really hope it's really cool hidden knowledge like the Apocrypha title hinted.

[Savber100]

Reznore57 wrote...

I think the current (sort of ) nice Divine is going to die ,and a pro templar divine will be put on the invisible throne by people like Lambert.
The chantry will go thru a witch hunt , burning books , (that you need), etc...

I guess you could still be pro chantry , but if you want to solve your problem you have no choice but to go against the chantry on some levels.

I really hope it's really cool hidden knowledge like the Apocrypha title hinted.

Naw. Bioware has been building her up way too much in Asunder and Dawn of the Seeker to just suddenly kill her off in DA:I.

I believe Justinia V still has a role to play regarding the war.

[R2s Muse]

Reznore57 wrote...

I think the current (sort of ) nice Divine is going to die ,and a pro templar divine will be put on the invisible throne by people like Lambert.
The chantry will go thru a witch hunt , burning books , (that you need), etc...

I guess you could still be pro chantry , but if you want to solve your problem you have no choice but to go against the chantry on some levels.

I really hope it's really cool hidden knowledge like the Apocrypha title hinted.

This would fit nicely with the dissonant verse they just tweeted with the last concept art pic. Hmmm....

[Weskerr]

I'm not sure whether to take his comment as "The Inquisition is hostile to the Chantry" or "The Inquisition disagrees with the Chantry."

[brushyourteeth]

Savber100 wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

I think the current (sort of ) nice Divine is going to die ,and a pro templar divine will be put on the invisible throne by people like Lambert.
The chantry will go thru a witch hunt , burning books , (that you need), etc...

I guess you could still be pro chantry , but if you want to solve your problem you have no choice but to go against the chantry on some levels.

I really hope it's really cool hidden knowledge like the Apocrypha title hinted.

Naw. Bioware has been building her up way too much in Asunder and Dawn of the Seeker to just suddenly kill her off in DA:I.

I believe Justinia V still has a role to play regarding the war.

LOL! "This isn't a Song of Ice and Fire!"

(<--- hopes the writers don't take that as a challenge)

[brushyourteeth]

Weskerr wrote...

I'm not sure whether to take his comment as "The Inquisition is hostile to the Chantry" or "The Inquisition disagrees with the Chantry."

Exactly -- me either. Either Mr. Darrah misspoke or there's more to this than we have info to fully process so far.

[RosaAquafire]

I hope we can still choose to play as religiously devoted characters. I had a lot of fun doing that in DA:O despite being an atheist myself. Very immersive.

[CELL55]

 Well, it's looking like Cassandra is going to be one of your main companions, and given her allegiance to Justinia V, I doubt you'll be able to go so far as engaging in total war with the Chantry.
Not that I'd want to, but as for some of the people on these forums... 

[brushyourteeth]

RosaAquafire wrote...

I hope we can still choose to play as religiously devoted characters. I had a lot of fun doing that in DA:O despite being an atheist myself. Very immersive.

I agree with you completely. I enjoy throwing myself into the world and expressing values completely different from my own. That people in imaginary Thedas hold beliefs different to my own doesn't surprise me one bit (as they're made up) and don't offend me at all.

The team has already promised us the opportunity to express both doubt and belief. So this comment makes me wonder about either Mr. Darrah's comments being kind of hasty or the nature of the Chantry we're "opposed" to being different than what we're used to.

Also, your DAII avatar pic is the best one I've seen on these forums. They normally look like cadavers. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

On the plus side, that sounds cool. On the minus side, I'm uncertain how my laptop will react to that much awesome.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 06 août 2013 - 06:11 .

[brushyourteeth]

I wonder if what's happening is that some faction of the Chantry is simply getting in the way of Inquisition business, so you give them a beating for it.

Like, from a practical sense, trying to kill mages that you're trying to recruit is irksome and you end up giving them a beating for it.

Or... killing mages obviously weakens an already compromised Veil, so we give them a beating for it.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 06 août 2013 - 06:14 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

As long i can burn chantry , tevinter , qunari and orlais and create perfect world or take control over world as villain sue i m glad:P

[KainD]

brushyourteeth wrote...

I wonder if what's happening is that some faction of the Chantry is simply getting in the way of Inquisition business, so you give them a beating for it.

Like, from a practical sense, trying to kill mages that you're trying to recruit is irksome and you end up giving them a beating for it.

Or... killing mages obviously weakens an already compromised Veil, so we give them a beating for it.

Or.. mages are supposed to rule over mundanes, but Chantry gets in the way, so we give them a beating for it. 

[brushyourteeth]

KainD wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

I wonder if what's happening is that some faction of the Chantry is simply getting in the way of Inquisition business, so you give them a beating for it.

Like, from a practical sense, trying to kill mages that you're trying to recruit is irksome and you end up giving them a beating for it.

Or... killing mages obviously weakens an already compromised Veil, so we give them a beating for it.

Or.. mages are supposed to rule over mundanes, but Chantry gets in the way, so we give them a beating for it. 

Or (based on player choice) not so much. 

[AlexanderCousland]

OP, there is a difference between The Chantry and The Templar's, The Templar's and their head orginization Seeker's of the Truth seperated themselves from the Chantry. The Chantry cant seperate itself from itself, The Chantry is the church, Templar's/Seeker's are the soilders who seprated from it.

So this New Inquistion is "as advertised", your literally building your orginization as you see fit (at least that's what it sounds like), you could theoretically build a pro mage inquisition.

On another note, um...did anybody else see that Horse Mount and the Warden Armour!?!?!?

[brushyourteeth]

FreshIstay wrote...

OP, there is a difference between The Chantry and The Templar's, The Templar's and their head orginization Seeker's of the Truth seperated themselves from the Chantry. The Chantry cant seperate itself from itself, The Chantry is the church, Templar's/Seeker's are the soilders who seprated from it.

So this New Inquistion is "as advertised", your literally building your orginization as you see fit (at least that's what it sounds like), you could theoretically build a pro mage inquisition. 

*snip*

If the Templars/some Seekers convince the common folk that the Divine is a fraud or no longer fit for her position, my bet is that they effectively become the legit Chantry. It's all about who wields the most power and influence.

There's also a possibility that Mark Darrah was just not being very specific when he used the word "Chantry."



I absolutely believe (because it's common sense and because it's been said by the devs time and again) that we'll get to hold our own personal viewpoints, whether pro-Andrastian, anti-Andrastian, or bored of thinking about it.

But his comments do seem to infer that there will be some kind of conflict between the Inquisition and some form of the Chantry regardless. That's what I'm interested in.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 06 août 2013 - 07:30 .

[KainD]

FreshIstay wrote...

So this New Inquistion is "as advertised", your literally building your orginization as you see fit 

What if I think that there is nothing bad about the veil tears, and would actually encourage the complete veil removal? 
I don't think I will be able to make the inquisition as I see fit, because I would also make it a blood mage exclusive organization. 

[brushyourteeth]

KainD wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

So this New Inquistion is "as advertised", your literally building your orginization as you see fit 

What if I think that there is nothing bad about the veil tears, and would actually encourage the complete veil removal? 
I don't think I will be able to make the inquisition as I see fit, because I would also make it a blood mage exclusive organization. 

True, I don't think you'll be able to take your choices to that level.

[KainD]

brushyourteeth wrote...

KainD wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

So this New Inquistion is "as advertised", your literally building your orginization as you see fit 

What if I think that there is nothing bad about the veil tears, and would actually encourage the complete veil removal? 
I don't think I will be able to make the inquisition as I see fit, because I would also make it a blood mage exclusive organization. 

True, I don't think you'll be able to take your choices to that level.

Bioware really made sucess in making such a grey world, that there is really no right choice.
Now it seems that it is just best to pick a side that you like, since there is no wrong choice.
But now they don't let the player pick a side, and it really sucks. 
It would be nice if the player could really be a pro Templar/Tevinter/Qunari etc. Basically any radical side. 

[brushyourteeth]

KainD wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

KainD wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

So this New Inquistion is "as advertised", your literally building your orginization as you see fit 

What if I think that there is nothing bad about the veil tears, and would actually encourage the complete veil removal? 
I don't think I will be able to make the inquisition as I see fit, because I would also make it a blood mage exclusive organization. 

True, I don't think you'll be able to take your choices to that level.

Bioware really made sucess in making such a grey world, that there is really no right choice.
Now it seems that it is just best to pick a side that you like, since there is no wrong choice.
But now they don't let the player pick a side, and it really sucks. 
It would be nice if the player could really be a pro Templar/Tevinter/Qunari etc. Basically any radical side. 

I got the strong impression that you can definitely choose to work with one side or express a strict political or religious opinion if you want to, but that the point is that the game won't make those decisions for you.

Though "let the world burn" doesn't seem like a likely possibility.

My interest is in what Mr. Darrah meant by saying that we will be "opposed" to the Chantry. I'm absolutely, positively, without a doubt, 100% convinced that he does NOT mean that we have to be anti-Andrastian. I'd just like to know what else is going on here that would mean that you have to work against the Chantry (or a faction of it). Even just "blood magic" would be an explanation.

[KainD]

brushyourteeth wrote...

I got the strong impression that you can definitely choose to work with one side or express a strict political or religious opinion if you want to, but that the point is that the game won't make those decisions for you.

Though "let the world burn" doesn't seem like a likely possibility.

I don't want to have the world burn. I just strongly believe that mages and mundanes can never be equal, so I want to play a mage, and what I want to do is establish mage dominance over mundanes. I want to unite all the mages under Tevinter, make some change to Tevinter like - lifting the prohibition off blood magic, destroying the Imperial templar order and the imperial chantry, making a prohibition on mage slavery. 

Then there's the matter about the veil. Now it was mentioned that there was a time before the veil existed, and I am just taking a wild guess and saying that destruction of the veil would probably benefit the mages, since the would be closer to the fade than ever, probably would be empowered, would be able to deal with spirits and demons in the physical world, and have benefits from it. 

[brushyourteeth]

KainD wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

I got the strong impression that you can definitely choose to work with one side or express a strict political or religious opinion if you want to, but that the point is that the game won't make those decisions for you.

Though "let the world burn" doesn't seem like a likely possibility.

I don't want to have the world burn. I just strongly believe that mages and mundanes can never be equal, so I want to play a mage, and what I want to do is establish mage dominance over mundanes. I want to unite all the mages under Tevinter, make some change to Tevinter like - lifting the prohibition off blood magic, destroying the Imperial templar order and the imperial chantry, making a prohibition on mage slavery. 

Then there's the matter about the veil. Now it was mentioned that there was a time before the veil existed, and I am just taking a wild guess and saying that destruction of the veil would probably benefit the mages, since the would be closer to the fade than ever, probably would be empowered, would be able to deal with spirits and demons in the physical world, and have benefits from it. 

I think you'll be able to shape the world in a way that improves things significantly for mages, but maybe not to the point you're suggesting.

Bear in mind also that having demons and dragons pour out of the Fade into our world doesn't necessarily benefit mages either.

Also bear in mind that there are many mages in the world who love non-mages. Family members and whatnot, or even strangers who they bear no ill-will toward. You deciding to wipe them out without any other mages' say so would be... well, you can play your game how you like (within reason), but I wouldn't see that as a necessarily pro-mage choice myself.

[Dave of Canada]

Hope we're given an actual choice rather than turning the Chantry into DA:I's ME3 Cerberus where they've got legitimate positions and ideas but we're forced to disagree and oppose them at every turn.