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[KainD]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Also bear in mind that there are many mages in the world who love non-mages. Family members and whatnot, or even strangers who they bear no ill-will toward. You deciding to wipe them out without any other mages' say so would be... well, you can play your game how you like (within reason), but I wouldn't see that as a necessarily pro-mage choice myself.

Mages that treat mundanes equally would be equal to mundanes under my regulations, and would serve the mages that know that they are superior. I guess that would be the only exception on mage slavery.  

[brushyourteeth]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hope we're given an actual choice rather than turning the Chantry into DA:I's ME3 Cerberus where they've got legitimate positions and ideas but we're forced to disagree and oppose them at every turn.

Well, like I said, there are effectively three branches of Chantry right now...

But it does seem like you'll be able to pick a side if you WANT to. Unless, of course, "no offense, but you're just in my way" is the most efficient way of handling them and that's what we're dealing with.

[Lord Raijin]

Oh Cassandra how you manage to leak right inside of this mages heart. But how would you take it? How would you handle a mage falling straight in love with you?

I suppose I have a decision that's going to be hard.... fight against the Chantry, and not have the woman of my dreams... or fight for the Chantry, and get the woman of my dreams? They better add in Morrigan as a second option to choose from dammit.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lord Raijin wrote...



Oh Cassandra how you manage to leak right inside of this mages heart. But how would you take it? How would you handle a mage falling straight in love with you?

I suppose I have a decision that's going to be hard.... fight against the Chantry, and not have the woman of my dreams... or fight for the Chantry, and get the woman of my dreams? They better add in Morrigan as a second option to choose from dammit.

You can have both fight against chantry and her heart you just need take her heart literally 

[Potato Cat]

I think the traditional Chantry is supposed to be the "correct" choice if we're given the choice to support one. The heresies look like they'll upset the confirmed and rumoured companions alike. Cassandra works for the Divine, no? As does Leliana? And Vivienne's obviously mage and Circle friendly so she'll likely push for Team Justinia rather than Team Tevinter. And Cullen appears to be loyal to the Divine too, but may also support angry anti-mage heresy.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Elfman wrote...

I think the traditional Chantry is supposed to be the "correct" choice if we're given the choice to support one. The heresies look like they'll upset the confirmed and rumoured companions alike. Cassandra works for the Divine, no? As does Leliana? And Vivienne's obviously mage and Circle friendly so she'll likely push for Team Justinia rather than Team Tevinter. And Cullen appears to be loyal to the Divine too, but may also support angry anti-mage heresy.

Great at this point my only alive companion is varric not good not good.

[brushyourteeth]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Elfman wrote...

I think the traditional Chantry is supposed to be the "correct" choice if we're given the choice to support one. The heresies look like they'll upset the confirmed and rumoured companions alike. Cassandra works for the Divine, no? As does Leliana? And Vivienne's obviously mage and Circle friendly so she'll likely push for Team Justinia rather than Team Tevinter. And Cullen appears to be loyal to the Divine too, but may also support angry anti-mage heresy.

Great at this point my only alive companion is varric not good not good.

With the advent of "ZOMG DEMONS AND DRAGONS SPILLING OUT OF THE SKY TO KILL EVERYONE" I think it's in everyone's best interests to work together and forget their petty differences, at least for the time being. 

[garrusfan1]

I think people are not getting it means you can take stances that are pro chantry or not and a lot of other things as well. it basically means your not being forced to choose to join the chantry which is what a lot of people thought they were

[TheKomandorShepard]

brushyourteeth wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Elfman wrote...

I think the traditional Chantry is supposed to be the "correct" choice if we're given the choice to support one. The heresies look like they'll upset the confirmed and rumoured companions alike. Cassandra works for the Divine, no? As does Leliana? And Vivienne's obviously mage and Circle friendly so she'll likely push for Team Justinia rather than Team Tevinter. And Cullen appears to be loyal to the Divine too, but may also support angry anti-mage heresy.

Great at this point my only alive companion is varric not good not good.

With the advent of "ZOMG DEMONS AND DRAGONS SPILLING OUT OF THE SKY TO KILL EVERYONE" I think it's in everyone's best interests to work together and forget their petty differences, at least for the time being. 

One of my wardens stop blight only having aliastair who needs others when we have super heroB)

[brushyourteeth]

garrusfan1 wrote...

I think people are not getting it means you can take stances that are pro chantry or not and a lot of other things as well. it basically means your not being forced to choose to join the chantry which is what a lot of people thought they were

Maybe, though if I were to say "garrusfan1, I'm going to be honest with you. I am working in opposition to you and plan to continue to do so" you would be kind of dumb for assuming that I only mean "I don't always agree with everything you say but maybe I do."

So... I think this comment could use some clarification.

[KainD]

Elfman wrote...

Vivienne's obviously mage and Circle friendly so she'll likely push for Team Justinia rather than Team Tevinter.

She joins the inquisition to help her fellow mages. I think she could be convinced that the best way to help her fellow mages is to wipe out all the templars and to insave all the mundanes. :happy:

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

KainD wrote...

Elfman wrote...

Vivienne's obviously mage and Circle friendly so she'll likely push for Team Justinia rather than Team Tevinter.

She joins the inquisition to help her fellow mages. I think she could be convinced that the best way to help her fellow mages is to wipe out all the templars and to insave all the mundanes. :happy:

By the same token, she might also be convinced to set up more moderate Circles, or even really strict ones if Bioware brings back Coercion. Or, maybe Bioware will give her a conscience too strong to allow slavery. They did set precedent with Shale and the Anvil.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 07 août 2013 - 01:57 .

[brushyourteeth]

UPDATE (adding to OP also)


Mike Laidaw in new Game Informer video (at 1:43) "It's formed in opposition to the Chantry will."

[Weskerr]

brushyourteeth wrote...

UPDATE (adding to OP also)


Mike Laidaw in new Game Informer video (at 1:43) "It's formed in opposition to the Chantry will."

So what Darah said was not a mistake then. Although, it's still unclear whether the Inquisition is hostile to the Chantry. However, Laidaw's comment that the Inquisition is sort of a rebel organization but demands respect suggests that they're not outright hostile to the Chantry.

On an off topic note, do you catch what Laidlaw said about the Wardens? "They're up to something as is hinted at in DA2."

[Potato Cat]

Weskerr wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...
UPDATE (adding to OP also)


Mike Laidaw in new Game Informer video (at 1:43) "It's formed in opposition to the Chantry will."

So what Darah said was not a mistake then. Although, it's still unclear whether the Inquisition is hostile to the Chantry. However, Laidaw's comment that the Inquisition is sort of a rebel organization but demands respect suggests that they're not outright hostile to the Chantry.

On an off topic note, do you catch what Laidlaw said about the Wardens? "They're up to something as is hinted at in DA2."

Likely Corypheus. He's probably the one who started it actually. I forget he's now either Janeka or the other one I always kill because Janeka's cooler and better for Corypheus no doubt.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I thought he was refering to the secret mission that Allistair/Stroud was on with Warden Bethany/Carver in Act 2.

[esper]

I am going to be as anti chantry as the game allows and if Cassandra doesn't like that she can get out of my team. (It is not like I wanted her there in the first place).

[Foxhound2121]

RosaAquafire wrote...

I hope we can still choose to play as religiously devoted characters. I had a lot of fun doing that in DA:O despite being an atheist myself. Very immersive.

Being a religious person in real life, I want to play the evil mage that hates the Chantry. Why does it work this way?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hmm it seems that qunari will invade ferelden that same climate and sten mission as well his words that qunari will invade ferelden , but what with his promise and favor to the warden?

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 07 août 2013 - 09:10 .

[Wissenschaft]

"Now, we know that as of the end of David Gaider's Asunder, there are essentially three large factions of Chantry.
- The Imperial Chantry (in the Tevinter Imperium)
- The offshoot Orlesian Chantry that has abandoned the authority of Divine Justinia and now pursuing all former Circle mages that seems to consist of the majority of the Templar Order.
- The traditional Orlesian Chantry that is still loyal to the Divine (which appears to include Cassandra and Leliana)"

Thats not correct. The templars and the Seekers of Truth are no longer associated with the Chantry which means they are not splitter chantry groups but rather independent. The Inquisition is formed by the player character early in the game and has no relation to the Chantry.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 07 août 2013 - 09:56 .

[Versus Omnibus]

I'm glad to hear I won't be forced to join any faction like in DA2. I hated being forced to pick a side where I disagreed with both factions and to hear I can take down both is a good thing in my books. Bravo, Bioware! Bravo!

[Northern Sun]

Weskerr wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

UPDATE (adding to OP also)


Mike Laidaw in new Game Informer video (at 1:43) "It's formed in opposition to the Chantry will."

So what Darah said was not a mistake then. Although, it's still unclear whether the Inquisition is hostile to the Chantry. However, Laidaw's comment that the Inquisition is sort of a rebel organization but demands respect suggests that they're not outright hostile to the Chantry.

On an off topic note, do you catch what Laidlaw said about the Wardens? "They're up to something as is hinted at in DA2."

It stated in some of the scanned articles I read that the main reason the Chantry doesn't like the Inquisition is because the whole reason it was reformed was due to the Chantry's power falling apart at the seams and is unable to do the investigation itself, so the Inquisition is sort of an active reminder of their failures. It was also implied that we'll be digging through the Chantry's dirty laundry, and no one likes that. As for the Wardens, Corypheus is one likely problem, but they were up to other stuff in the base game to. Their was that mission the Wardens mention in the Qunari attack encounter that is apparently urgent, and Nathaniel's quest, where some ally who wasn't the Architect or a dwarf gave information to help them reach the Primevial Thaig.

I'll be curious to see where the Chantry stands after the game. They've already had their Catholic/Byzantine split with the Tevinter Chantry; I wonder if the events of Inquistion could cause sometime like the Protestant Reformation.

[brushyourteeth]

Wissenschaft wrote...

"Now, we know that as of the end of David Gaider's Asunder, there are essentially three large factions of Chantry.
- The Imperial Chantry (in the Tevinter Imperium)
- The offshoot Orlesian Chantry that has abandoned the authority of Divine Justinia and now pursuing all former Circle mages that seems to consist of the majority of the Templar Order.
- The traditional Orlesian Chantry that is still loyal to the Divine (which appears to include Cassandra and Leliana)"

Thats not correct. The templars and the Seekers of Truth are no long associated with the Chantry which means they are not splitter chantry groups but rather independent. The Inquisition is formed by the player character early in the game and has no relation to the Chantry.

You're saying exactly what I'm saying.

[brushyourteeth]

Northern Sun wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

UPDATE (adding to OP also)


Mike Laidaw in new Game Informer video (at 1:43) "It's formed in opposition to the Chantry will."

So what Darah said was not a mistake then. Although, it's still unclear whether the Inquisition is hostile to the Chantry. However, Laidaw's comment that the Inquisition is sort of a rebel organization but demands respect suggests that they're not outright hostile to the Chantry.

On an off topic note, do you catch what Laidlaw said about the Wardens? "They're up to something as is hinted at in DA2."

It stated in some of the scanned articles I read that the main reason the Chantry doesn't like the Inquisition is because the whole reason it was reformed was due to the Chantry's power falling apart at the seams and is unable to do the investigation itself, so the Inquisition is sort of an active reminder of their failures. It was also implied that we'll be digging through the Chantry's dirty laundry, and no one likes that. As for the Wardens, Corypheus is one likely problem, but they were up to other stuff in the base game to. Their was that mission the Wardens mention in the Qunari attack encounter that is apparently urgent, and Nathaniel's quest, where some ally who wasn't the Architect or a dwarf gave information to help them reach the Primevial Thaig.

I'll be curious to see where the Chantry stands after the game. They've already had their Catholic/Byzantine split with the Tevinter Chantry; I wonder if the events of Inquistion could cause sometime like the Protestant Reformation.

This makes a lot of sense. 

[Wissenschaft]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Wissenschaft wrote...

"Now, we know that as of the end of David Gaider's Asunder, there are essentially three large factions of Chantry.
- The Imperial Chantry (in the Tevinter Imperium)
- The offshoot Orlesian Chantry that has abandoned the authority of Divine Justinia and now pursuing all former Circle mages that seems to consist of the majority of the Templar Order.
- The traditional Orlesian Chantry that is still loyal to the Divine (which appears to include Cassandra and Leliana)"

Thats not correct. The templars and the Seekers of Truth are no long associated with the Chantry which means they are not splitter chantry groups but rather independent. The Inquisition is formed by the player character early in the game and has no relation to the Chantry.

You're saying exactly what I'm saying.

 

Well not exactly, you made it sound like the templars were forming a rivial chantry which they are not.