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[brushyourteeth]

Wissenschaft wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Wissenschaft wrote...

"Now, we know that as of the end of David Gaider's Asunder, there are essentially three large factions of Chantry.
- The Imperial Chantry (in the Tevinter Imperium)
- The offshoot Orlesian Chantry that has abandoned the authority of Divine Justinia and now pursuing all former Circle mages that seems to consist of the majority of the Templar Order.
- The traditional Orlesian Chantry that is still loyal to the Divine (which appears to include Cassandra and Leliana)"

Thats not correct. The templars and the Seekers of Truth are no long associated with the Chantry which means they are not splitter chantry groups but rather independent. The Inquisition is formed by the player character early in the game and has no relation to the Chantry.

You're saying exactly what I'm saying.

 

Well not exactly, you made it sound like the templars were forming a rivial chantry which they are not.

I should have been clearer, then.   What I mean is that the common people will likely not see much of a difference. And that Mark Darrah could technically still use the word "Chantry" to apply to any of those factions if he wanted to be nondescript.

[zqrahll]

It better mean that we actually get to pick a side in this war. I want to wipe out the Templars or I am not buying this game.

[byarru]

It's sad. They continue posing the Chantry as Evil Powerhungry Zealots like they did in DA2. I miss DA:O and their biased, yet symphathetics prietess and templars, who actually helped poor people to survive the Blight. Moreso than all the rich arles
Personally I'm playing as either supporting one, or neutral-friendly one towards Chantry

[mikeymoonshine]

I suppose if you support the Chantry you might have to convince them that the inquisition is a good idea. I assume they still have some pull with the Templars despite them disbanding?

If you are against the chantry it would be wonderful if you could actively work against them or something.

[mikeymoonshine]

byarru wrote...

It's sad. They continue posing the Chantry as Evil Powerhungry Zealots like they did in DA2. I miss DA:O and their biased, yet symphathetics prietess and templars, who actually helped poor people to survive the Blight. Moreso than all the rich arles
Personally I'm playing as either supporting one, or neutral-friendly one towards Chantry

Grand Cleric Elthina was kind of like that. I thought the idea was allot of the people in the chantry and the templars were good well meaning people but it's leadership was corrupt and bad. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

We just don't see their dirt in first game in second we could see more of their actions. Elthina was responsible for what meredith was doing in circle so she isn't good she know how she treats mages but didn't want act. As long there may be some good peoples in chantry like in imperial chantry but chantry is rotten and kicked many dogs.

[Frozenkex]

Divine Justinia is actually very sympathetic to mages, she secretly tried to initiate a reform in chantry. It is only because of her orders that research was initiated into rite of tranquility and cure was discovered. This is why templars and seekers decided to break off from chantry because the Divine was too nice to mages. Because of that, if its possible im gonna totally ally myself with the Divine.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Frozenkex wrote...

Divine Justinia is actually very sympathetic to mages, she secretly tried to initiate a reform in chantry. It is only because of her orders that research was initiated into rite of tranquility and cure was discovered. This is why templars and seekers decided to break off from chantry because the Divine was too nice to mages. Because of that, if its possible im gonna totally ally myself with the Divine.

Yeah "sympathetic" but only after that happened in kirkwall before she was worried only about chantry loosing power she doesn't seemed care about mages in kirkwall she send only leliana to destroy threat for her power even want exalted march and leliana said that she barely tolerate libertarians.She is not worth trust and proved that she is incompetent and can't hold own peoples.  

[brushyourteeth]

I'd really appreciate this thread I started not derailing into ANOTHER argument about Chantry v. mages. Thanks.

[Potato Cat]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Frozenkex wrote...

Divine Justinia is actually very sympathetic to mages, she secretly tried to initiate a reform in chantry. It is only because of her orders that research was initiated into rite of tranquility and cure was discovered. This is why templars and seekers decided to break off from chantry because the Divine was too nice to mages. Because of that, if its possible im gonna totally ally myself with the Divine.

Yeah "sympathetic" but only after that happened in kirkwall before she was worried only about chantry loosing power she doesn't seemed care about mages in kirkwall she send only leliana to destroy threat for her power even want exalted march and leliana said that she barely tolerate libertarians.She is not worth trust and proved that she is incompetent and can't hold own peoples.  

So? If it was me, I'd take what I could get.

[TheKomandorShepard]

brushyourteeth wrote...

I'd really appreciate this thread I started not derailing into ANOTHER argument about Chantry v. mages. Thanks.

Well this thread is about chantry and possibility oppose them

Elfman wrote...

So? If it was me, I'd take what I could get.

Yep and end like elves after helping andraste and mages after qunari war:devil:

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 08 août 2013 - 07:44 .

[brushyourteeth]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

I'd really appreciate this thread I started not derailing into ANOTHER argument about Chantry v. mages. Thanks.

Well this thread is about chantry and possibility oppose them

True enough, but not about reasons to oppose or support them. We have every other thread in the forums that eventually devolve into talking about that topic.

I'm really more interested in discussing what other fans think about what Mark Darrah and Mike Laidlaw's comments could mean, and how we think that could end up being implemented in the game.

Regardless, thanks for reading my comment and responding. I'm just bored of flame wars and arguments that go nowhere full of people who have no common sense but who think they're the only people in the world with common sense.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 08 août 2013 - 08:01 .

[lil yonce]

I hope we can ally with the Chantry later then if we automatically begin the game opposed to them. I want to work with Justinia V so I'm hoping the option isn't out altogether.The clergy may not want the Inquisitor to reform the Inquisition, but our goals may be aligned as the story progresses.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 08 août 2013 - 08:19 .

[Dave of Canada]

brushyourteeth wrote...

UPDATE (adding to OP also)


Mike Laidaw in new Game Informer video (at 1:43) "It's formed in opposition to the Chantry will."

This isn't helping my fears, there's much better ways to word this if it means you choose your loyalty but they seem intent on kicking the anti-Chantry horse.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 08 août 2013 - 08:04 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

brushyourteeth wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

I'd really appreciate this thread I started not derailing into ANOTHER argument about Chantry v. mages. Thanks.

Well this thread is about chantry and possibility oppose them

True enough, but not about reason to oppose or support them. We have every other thread in the forums that eventually devolve into talking about that topic.

I'm really more interested in discussing what other fans think about Mark Darrah and Mike Laidlaw's comments mean, and how we think that could end up being implemented in the game.

Regardless, thanks for reading my comment and responding. I'm just bored of flame wars and arguments that go nowhere with people who have no common sense but think they're the only people in the world with common sense.

It isn't so hard understand what they are talking about we will have possibility oppose any bigger fraction of course if bio won't be lazy , but i doubt that you will have option burning chantry or mages and even devs said that we can't destroy chantry but that was some time ago so maybe tehy changed their minds. 

I wish have freedom like in Fallout NV and have possibility be independent and decide who i will spare and those who will have less luck. 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 08 août 2013 - 08:09 .

[Ariella]

Dave of Canada wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

UPDATE (adding to OP also)


Mike Laidaw in new Game Informer video (at 1:43) "It's formed in opposition to the Chantry will."

This isn't helping my fears, there's much better ways to word this if it means you choose your loyalty but they seem intent on kicking the anti-Chantry horse.

The problem doesn't seem to be the Chantry as much as the Templars (I say this with reference to Dawn of the Seeker in mind).

[MisterJB]

Right now, this scares me. It's easy to see why the Chantry might not look favorably upon a new power with an old name whose very rebirth signifies they haven't been sucessfull in their duties, especially if they are accepting mages into their ranks.
However, I hope this does not mean we are forced to become an enemy of the Chantry for 90% or more of the game with one or two Pro-Templar options here and there to appease us.
If a group of templars or Chantry officials demand that I deliver Vivienne to them, for instance, I should either be able to do so or be given a damn good reason as to why I can't.

[MisterJB]

But some of us don't think that the Chantry has a "corrupt influence".If all that we can do is warp about how we like the Chantry but it's not serving the purpose it should, then we've already our worst fears come to life because the same thing in ME3. Shepard could tell people how there are good people in Cerberus or how they had the right idea but that didn't stop the player from having to fight Cerberus for no real reason.

[brushyourteeth]

MisterJB wrote...

Right now, this scares me. It's easy to see why the Chantry might not look favorably upon a new power with an old name whose very rebirth signifies they haven't been sucessfull in their duties, especially if they are accepting mages into their ranks.
However, I hope this does not mean we are forced to become an enemy of the Chantry for 90% or more of the game with one or two Pro-Templar options here and there to appease us.
If a group of templars or Chantry officials demand that I deliver Vivienne to them, for instance, I should either be able to do so or be given a damn good reason as to why I can't.

I have to agree with Faerunner -- the statement has been made twice that we stand "in opposition to" the Chantry, but dozens of times that we will have the opportunity to support or subvert pretty much any cause that we want to.

Like I said before... there are a few different factions that to the common people would still mean "Chantry" -- and if one or more of them need to be set straight, that's one thing.

There's also the possibility that, kind of in the same vein that you're talking about, we can essentially come in and say "You guys are sucking at doing what you do, and we're going to take it from here." I could see that as being "opposition."

And, even a lot of pro-Templar fans will like that, because there are many that feel like Justinia isn't doing all she could be doing, and that even Lambert wasn't extreme enough in his handling of the mage situation.

It'd be great if there were a lot of different ways to play it.

Regardless, finding "Chantry secrets" sounds fun.

[shodiswe]

I still don't understand who or what the Inquisition is, or where they came from...

Though I admit Ihavn't read much about DA3.

I played DA1 and loved it, then I played DA2 and gave it a shrug. Didn't hate it but didn't think ti was great, actualy I feelt the endings were kind of limited and a lot of chocies didn't seem to affect people or the story.

I don't expect the whole world to change, but from the look of it most of the events played out the same way no matter what I did.

[lil yonce]

brushyourteeth wrote...
Regardless, finding "Chantry secrets" sounds fun.

Right now it sounds like this concept could be rather railroady in exeuction.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Pro-templar , circle , mage , chantry i will bet we can choose between them but i m curious what with agents of chaos what is their goal and can we support them or they will be our enemies to the end?