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[DKJaigen]

MisterJB wrote...

Right now, this scares me. It's easy to see why the Chantry might not look favorably upon a new power with an old name whose very rebirth signifies they haven't been sucessfull in their duties, especially if they are accepting mages into their ranks.
However, I hope this does not mean we are forced to become an enemy of the Chantry for 90% or more of the game with one or two Pro-Templar options here and there to appease us.
If a group of templars or Chantry officials demand that I deliver Vivienne to them, for instance, I should either be able to do so or be given a damn good reason as to why I can't.

What are you afraid of ? its a just game afterall. but what i and several other people have said before still holds true. How is a an army that is cut from its supplies and likely branded as herectics and traitors by the chantry and orlesian empire going to survive? likely by rading villages and cities. the templar order will likely will be reduced to a minor enemy.

Im very intrigued what the political cloud is of the the new inquisition. Are they state sponsord by the the empire? Or have the dragon cults a greater role in this as the inquisitor have dragon icons on both his sword and helmet. it may just be common heraldry but that would be an odd choice if dragons are messing up the world wouldnt it?

Modifié par DKJaigen, 08 août 2013 - 08:40 .

[MisterJB]

brushyourteeth wrote...


Regardless, finding "Chantry secrets" sounds fun.

As others have said, this sounds like a sure railroad to pit Inquisition vs Chantry.
We should at least be given the option to keep the secrets...secret in order to preserve stability.

[MisterJB]

MasterScribe wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...


Regardless, finding "Chantry secrets" sounds fun.

As others have said, this sounds like a sure railroad to pit Inquisition vs Chantry.
We should at least be given the option to keep the secrets...secret in order to preserve stability.

What if revealing those secrets could purge the Chantry of its corruption?

What corruption?

[wolfhowwl]

DKJaigen wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Right now, this scares me. It's easy to see why the Chantry might not look favorably upon a new power with an old name whose very rebirth signifies they haven't been sucessfull in their duties, especially if they are accepting mages into their ranks.
However, I hope this does not mean we are forced to become an enemy of the Chantry for 90% or more of the game with one or two Pro-Templar options here and there to appease us.
If a group of templars or Chantry officials demand that I deliver Vivienne to them, for instance, I should either be able to do so or be given a damn good reason as to why I can't.

What are you afraid of ? its a just game afterall. but what i and several other people have said before still holds true. How is a an army that is cut from its supplies and likely branded as herectics and traitors by the chantry and orlesian empire going to survive? likely by rading villages and cities. the templar order will likely will be reduced to a minor enemy.

Im very intrigued what the political cloud is of the the new inquisition. Are they state sponsord by the the empire? Or have the dragon cults a greater role in this as the inquisitor have dragon icons on both his sword and helmet. it may just be common heraldry but that would be an odd choice if dragons are messing up the world wouldnt it?

Putting players on an all-expenses paid ride on the Union Pacific is a bad thing.

[MisterJB]

MasterScribe wrote...
Exalted Marches,

Out of three, two were in self-defense and the third was against Tevinter.

forced lyrium addiction,

The alternative is not to have guards capable of fighting mages.

the Right of Annulment and general treatment of mages,

Too vast a topic but I tend to agree with the general treatment of mages
Read my sig.

the Divine election process,

What about it? It's an ellection.

political pressuring

Fair enough but it hardly seems to be a problem of large magnitude.

EDIT: Perhaps the Maker himself is allowing the Chantry to fall

I support the Chantry but I don't actually believe in the Maker.

Modifié par MisterJB, 08 août 2013 - 09:34 .

[Dave of Canada]

brushyourteeth wrote...

*snip*
Regardless, finding "Chantry secrets" sounds fun.

That's what I'm worried about, though. We've seen how railroaded the writers can be, this seems very reminiscent to the information released about Cerberus during the Game Informer article and our expectations were disappointingly completely correct.

We've seen how the writing tends to go from one extreme to another, everyone complained about being forced to work with Cerberus and suddenly we're forced to oppose them in every possible way. DA2's version of those complaints were people crying about not being athiest and now the first thing we hear is we're opposing the Chantry, it leaves a bad first impression.

The worst part? This first impression will linger until game release, I'm far too cynical after the marketing laughed in Cerberus supporter faces and the writers lied to us. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd come out and say that Chantry isn't evil and then discover they're exterminating everyone and sunder the veil to summon "The Maker".

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 08 août 2013 - 09:51 .

[xnode]

In my world the mages will burn! muahah!


edit; btw you guys did look and see the vids right? We have a choice to help not to help or not to help any and burn it all down. IE quote " Well if you want to stop the chantry you could just seige the keeps along the way" basicly his point was "the player will choose what happens not us". (*us being the devs when he was saying that)

Modifié par xnode, 08 août 2013 - 10:22 .

[xnode]

MasterScribe wrote...

xnode wrote...

In my world the mages will burn! muahah!

Indeed, they will burn.....the templars, courtesy of our magic.

lol i knew this would happen, so many mage lovers in these forums, I honestly get the whole mage plight, but in the end in my world I realize the mages are just to dangerous period. Sure a world where everyone could live togather in peace would be awsome however that NEVER happens. A world where I can fight back without being worried about insta pile of dust and give everyone an equal footing? That's my kind of world



My inquisition posters....

"Eliminate the demon threat! Burn a mage today!"

Modifié par xnode, 08 août 2013 - 10:24 .

[draken-heart]

My opinion? The Inquisition is formed to deal with the problems the Chantry can't/won't deal with, and the Chantry does not want people getting involved in problems that are for the Chantry.

[Ausstig]

Reznore57 wrote...

I think the current (sort of ) nice Divine is going to die ,and a pro templar divine will be put on the invisible throne by people like Lambert.
The chantry will go thru a witch hunt , burning books , (that you need), etc...

I guess you could still be pro chantry , but if you want to solve your problem you have no choice but to go against the chantry on some levels.

I really hope it's really cool hidden knowledge like the Apocrypha title hinted.

I hope the current Divine isn't dead:crying:


I want to kill that female dog my self:pinched:, given that they war is mostly due to her manipulations. 

I think the statement was made in response to all those knee-jerk thread where people whined about being 'forced to be anti-mage' and 'pro-chantry' (cause story sense does not matter, what matters is how evil relgion is <_<) so I don't know how much of the Chantry is with the BDivine (the one from the book) she is likely to suppourt you given Cas is with you and how much is with the Templars.

Speaking of Templars, my fear is that they are given the Cerberus treatment in DA:I, especially given their treatment in the latest book. Tempars are protectors and mages are really, really dangerous, why do people put current values on a society that is a best medevial (or renaissance at best). People need to do more reading about history. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'll admit I am a little concerned about being railroaded into being anti-Chantry after ME3 and given how many players seemed to want to wage war against it, because it's definitely not what I'd want to do. I'm still hopeful, considering that that Bioware said they aren't forcing the player into a moral stance. If they aren't forcing you to be anti mage, they aren't forcing you to be pro mage either. The last video even mentioned that they aren't deciding your role as being anti-templar.

I was never a Cerberus fan and honestly didn't care that we had to fight them in ME 3. It might not have been the route I would have opted for if it was up to me, but they were an underground terrorist organization with a reputation for recklessness and a ruthless leader. It was always a distinct possibility that they would go off the deep end at some point. I didn't have a problem with Orsino turning on the pro-mage player in Dragon Age 2 either. Desperate mages can sometimes be pushed to desperate measures.To me, siding with either of them were both risky situations that always had the chance of backfiring. The Chantry also has a very diffrent role.

I left BSN for a while long before ME 3 came out but I remember complaints about the early marketing about how it didn't make sense that Cerberus was working for the reapers. A valid concern of course, but as it turned out in the game, they weren't.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 08 août 2013 - 11:14 .

[xnode]

Nice post Orion and your correct, the assumptions here where already answered in a video, they are not making the choice for us, we have that choice. Tis why I will LOVE THE CHANTRY and KILL ALL MAGES!

hehe

then with my evil twin rogue I will play it again and LOVE THE MAGES and KILL THE CHANTRY!

then with my alter ego character....

I WLL KILL THEM ALL! LET THE MAKER SORT IT OUT!

and finally.....

I Wont do jack, Im to busy crafting!

Modifié par xnode, 08 août 2013 - 10:53 .

[Todd23]

@xnode Actually it was more along the lines of you will have to siege the walls, but what you do from there is up to you.

[brushyourteeth]

There are a lot of people on these forums and even in this thread who have no idea what the Inquisition is or what it exists to do.

Interesting!

I'm not going to explain because the information is already out there, and anyone who wants to be educated has already checked it out, while fans who would rather make up their own reality and then complain about it are going to do that anyway.

I can see the concern about railroading. I also agree with what others have said that being able to hoard some of those secrets to yourself to maintain a balance of power and secure your continued existence sounds like a great option. Like Reznore has said, one of the previous titles being "Apocrypha," we're likely to discover some old truths that will hopefully give us the option to reform, destroy, or maintain the status quo in the Chantry as we see fit. Or ignore it. That should be an option too.

I do wonder if the Maker (if he's real, and even if he's not, if even just by Andraste's perception of him) would approve of the current Chantry or if he would lay the hammer down on a few of their policies. I expect with how divided its leadership can be, he'd likely disapprove of at least a few of the individuals that make up the face of it. :/

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 08 août 2013 - 11:01 .

[lil yonce]

We can express an opinion on magic, but I didn't hear we can choose our allies. What I heard is that no matter what early game, and perhaps all game, the Inquisition opposes the Chantry. Railroad potential. Cerberus treatment potential. I'll have to wait and see how this turns out or wait for a dev comment before buying the game.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 08 août 2013 - 11:13 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It does make sense that the Chantry might not look kindly on a new unauthorized alternative to it's influence but that doesn't mean that the "opposition" will stay that way throughout the game. Origins even let the Warden ally with the guy that had been your main enemy for most of the game after the Landsmeet.

[Todd23]

@brush What the Inquisition IS hasn't been established yet, and won't be by anyone except the player with there own individual playthrough. The only Inquisition that is established took place before the existance of the templars.

[lil yonce]

@MasterScribe; Semantics. And being grudgingly respected is not the same as having an ally. There are factions within the Chantry that I don't want to oppose, and would like to have the option to ally with later.