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[ISpeakTheTruth]

I will take extreme joy in destroying the Templars every chance I get. The oppression of the Templars has finally come to its end. It is time to purge the world of its false religion and for mages to take their rightful place as leaders and protectors of the world. No longer will the powerful be held down by the weak.

A world lead by normal people has only lead to constant warfare and death. There isn't a single century in your history where there isn't a war where you kill each other. It is time for harmony to return to the world an for mages to be shepherds over their flock.

[Ausstig]

Youth4Ever wrote...

The whole Chantry does not need to be destroyed or opposed IMO. Reformation sounds very likely under Justinia V and I agree with her idea of mage-templar compromise. I want to help that segment of the Chantry and not oppose it. A blanket, "You stand in opposition to the Chantry," is not promising.

I think it's too bad Justinia didn't actully try to work out a compromise, she just played 'the game' and it blew up in her face. More talking less sneaking 

[lil yonce]

@Ausstig; She made a monumental mistake IMO, but forgivable as Adrian hoodwinked everyone, Fiona hijacked the conclave and baited Lambert into attacking, and ultimately what she assumed was the right course of action was heavily influenced by a number of things beyond her immediate knowledge knowledge.

[Xilizhra]

Well, it looks like everything plotwise is coming in order, then. And the presence of elven and dwarven player characters will make necessarily Chantry-focused plots be pushed even further to the wayside! Glorious indeed.

[addiction21]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, it looks like everything plotwise is coming in order, then. And the presence of elven and dwarven player characters will make necessarily Chantry-focused plots be pushed even further to the wayside! Glorious indeed.

Except BioWare made it clear long before this news of the racial choice being brought back that the Inquisition was not part of the Chantry and not follow them.

So, other then your personal bias can you actually give a reason why "Chantry-focused plots" would be push to the side?

[Xilizhra]

addiction21 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, it looks like everything plotwise is coming in order, then. And the presence of elven and dwarven player characters will make necessarily Chantry-focused plots be pushed even further to the wayside! Glorious indeed.

Except BioWare made it clear long before this news of the racial choice being brought back that the Inquisition was not part of the Chantry and not follow them.

So, other then your personal bias can you actually give a reason why "Chantry-focused plots" would be push to the side?

Don't get me wrong, that wasn't sarcasm. I'm genuinely thrilled. What I'm saying is that it grows increasingly less likely that major resources would be put into plots that involve siding with the Chantry, which means that they can be redirected elsewhere. And I do hope they can lavish attention on a plot that involves kicking the crap out of every last templar who crosses your line of vision, but I won't go too far.

[wolfhowwl]

So you're interested only in your personal power fantasy rather than an actual rpg with choices.

Charming.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 09 août 2013 - 03:31 .

[RepHope]

addiction21 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, it looks like everything plotwise is coming in order, then. And the presence of elven and dwarven player characters will make necessarily Chantry-focused plots be pushed even further to the wayside! Glorious indeed.

Except BioWare made it clear long before this news of the racial choice being brought back that the Inquisition was not part of the Chantry and not follow them.

So, other then your personal bias can you actually give a reason why "Chantry-focused plots" would be push to the side?

I'd guess her reasons are "lol chantry iz evil magez 4 ever!!!!!!!"

I hope the we can crush the pathetic mages and their "fight for freedom".

[Xilizhra]

wolfhowwl wrote...

So you're interested only in your personal power fantasy rather than an actual rpg with choices.

Charming.

Don't get me wrong, I hope for many choices. But I have astonishingly few problems with the templars being everyone's enemies... in fact, I think I have negative problems with that.

[RepHope]

Xilizhra wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

So you're interested only in your personal power fantasy rather than an actual rpg with choices.

Charming.

Don't get me wrong, I hope for many choices. But I have astonishingly few problems with the templars being everyone's enemies... in fact, I think I have negative problems with that.

Just wait till Andraste gets back and burns your heathen Mage 

[Xilizhra]

RepHope wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

So you're interested only in your personal power fantasy rather than an actual rpg with choices.

Charming.

Don't get me wrong, I hope for many choices. But I have astonishingly few problems with the templars being everyone's enemies... in fact, I think I have negative problems with that.

Just wait till Andraste gets back and burns your heathen Mage 

My fire burns hotter and my blood is stronger. And your blood will be made to serve.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

There's no reason that an elf or a dwarf PC would be unable to side with the Chantry.

[Xilizhra]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

There's no reason that an elf or a dwarf PC would be unable to side with the Chantry.

Unable? No, but perhaps less inclined. Certainly I'll hope.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

A mage PC might be less inclined to side with the templars in DA 2 but the option was still in the game. And I imagine the a similar option could be there for a human mage in DAI, so an elf and dwarf could do so just as easily. Especially if the elf PC is a city elf or otherwise Andrastian.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 09 août 2013 - 04:03 .

[Ausstig]

wolfhowwl wrote...

So you're interested only in your personal power fantasy rather than an actual rpg with choices.

Charming.

Xilizhra is only interested Xilizhra's opinions being right and Xilizhra's world view being put foreward as fact, rather then the biased opinion that it is, just ignore Xil, I know I will:)

[Nethalf]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

I'm not sure whether to take his comment as "The Inquisition is hostile to the Chantry" or "The Inquisition disagrees with the Chantry."

Exactly -- me either. Either Mr. Darrah misspoke or there's more to this than we have info to fully process so far.

I'd say that means Inquisition just goes its own way, that's it.

But I do think Chantry wouldn't be so extreme faction as rebel mages and Seeker-n-Templars would. It seems the current Divine is relatively neutral so it's very likely that the goodie good protagonist should ally with the Chantry.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Nethalf wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

I'm not sure whether to take his comment as "The Inquisition is hostile to the Chantry" or "The Inquisition disagrees with the Chantry."

Exactly -- me either. Either Mr. Darrah misspoke or there's more to this than we have info to fully process so far.

I'd say that means Inquisition just goes its own way, that's it.

But I do think Chantry wouldn't be so extreme faction as rebel mages and Seeker-n-Templars would. It seems the current Divine is relatively neutral so it's very likely that the goodie good protagonist should ally with the Chantry.

Not rly it is like telling that good protagonist should take NCR side in fallout NV when NCR is extremely corrupted , you can take your own path as good character and i don't want start discussion telling you why chantry is far away from good organisation because person who made this thread don't want this:P . 

[The Elder King]

My personal interpretation of the interviews is that the Inquisition and the Chantry starts with a rivarly relationship, due to the fact that the Inquisition is on the same (if not higher) level of the Chantry, and that the former could investigate the latter's secrets, but the player will have the freedom to choose how to develop further the relationship.
If anything, it seems to me that there are high chances that the mage-templar war might not be concluded in this game.

[9TailsFox]

 I think then Mark Darrah sad we against chantry what he meant it we can desaid if we against chantry. He just stres out becasue of the people like me who thinks that religion is just tool to be ass. I am pretty sure you can destroy everything in you path in the name of the Maker and destroy all "evil" mages if you want.

[Lilaeth]

If they're going to base stuff on the books, I hope there'll be some kind of intro to the material in them.  Not everyone reads the books.

[Nethalf]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Not rly it is like telling that good protagonist should take NCR side in fallout NV when NCR is extremely corrupted , you can take your own path as good character and i don't want start discussion telling you why chantry is far away from good organisation because person who made this thread don't want this:P .  

I'm not gonna arguin with you whether Chantry's a good organization or not. All I'm sayin is that Justinia's way to stop the war seems to be the best way, her means seem to be the best means -- so allying with her seems to be the best decision (just like convincing Zathrian to kill himself was a better decision than kill all the werevolves or elves).

Modifié par Nethalf, 09 août 2013 - 10:24 .

[Xilizhra]

Nethalf wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Not rly it is like telling that good protagonist should take NCR side in fallout NV when NCR is extremely corrupted , you can take your own path as good character and i don't want start discussion telling you why chantry is far away from good organisation because person who made this thread don't want this:P .  

I'm not gonna arguin with you whether Chantry's a good organization or not. All I'm sayin is that Justinia's way to stop the war seems to be the best way, her means seem to be the best means -- so allying with her seems to be the best decision (just like convincing Zathrian to kill himself was a better decision than kill all the werevolves or elves).

To assume that offhand is the golden mean fallacy, that just because something is in between two other things, it must be the most balanced/best.

[billy the squid]

Xilizhra wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, it looks like everything plotwise is coming in order, then. And the presence of elven and dwarven player characters will make necessarily Chantry-focused plots be pushed even further to the wayside! Glorious indeed.

Except BioWare made it clear long before this news of the racial choice being brought back that the Inquisition was not part of the Chantry and not follow them.

So, other then your personal bias can you actually give a reason why "Chantry-focused plots" would be push to the side?

Don't get me wrong, that wasn't sarcasm. I'm genuinely thrilled. What I'm saying is that it grows increasingly less likely that major resources would be put into plots that involve siding with the Chantry, which means that they can be redirected elsewhere. And I do hope they can lavish attention on a plot that involves kicking the crap out of every last templar who crosses your line of vision, but I won't go too far.

Have they? Its rather a forced division between Templar and Mage choices, less to do with the Chantry itself. You already know the Templar Order has split from the Chantry in Asunder. At which point I'll be happy to exterminate all mages from the face of Thedas.

Modifié par billy the squid, 09 août 2013 - 11:49 .

[blod007]

Just watched the video again. I got the bit about opposition to the Chantry. Mark Darrah described "Not forcing a stance" (that man really needs a neck rub)

What intrigued me was the "Sole survivor" comment. The fact the "everything is falling apart" along with growing conspiracy theories would present an order vacuum, not necessarily a power vacuum

Mike Laidlaw described a growing organisation, one which stands apart from the old order. One that "Everyone has to respect but doesn't want to" This seems to advise caution, and suspicion of all parties concerned.

Got to say, DA did make some of my PC paranoid, I think it's set to continue, and may stand my next PC in good stead. Sussing out agendas before committing will be interesting.

[brushyourteeth]

hhh89 wrote...

My personal interpretation of the interviews is that the Inquisition and the Chantry starts with a rivarly relationship, due to the fact that the Inquisition is on the same (if not higher) level of the Chantry, and that the former could investigate the latter's secrets, but the player will have the freedom to choose how to develop further the relationship.
If anything, it seems to me that there are high chances that the mage-templar war might not be concluded in this game.

I'd have to agree with this. For one thing, it's a complicated issue that's gone unresolved for a long time in the history of Thedas. For another, it's not actually the main plot point for DA:I. Then you add the fact that the DA franchise will want to milk it in future games on a practical level (and I don't blame them.)

In fact, I don't think the mage/Templar issue will ever be fully resolved, because if the player is allowed to pick sides definitively, that will change the climate of future games altogether, and there's no way that Bioware would make the next game's imports change the world on that scale. I also doubt they'll force you to remain neutral forever, because that would make fans very, very unhappy.

And FYI, I really do appreciate everyone (well, most people) respecting my request that this topic not become about "who's right, mages or Templars?"
Everyone is totally free to express which stance they support and which one they're excited to RP, but when threads become about trying to convince others not to play a game the way they want to, and then eventually devolves into name-calling between the same handful of people in every sort-of related thread, I have a problem with that (and it's boring -- we've heard it all before.)