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[Palidane]

I'll play ball with the Chantry, but only to a point. Without the templars, all they can do is make vague allusions to the destination of my soul.

[Vilegrim]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...



Oh Cassandra how you manage to leak right inside of this mages heart. But how would you take it? How would you handle a mage falling straight in love with you?

I suppose I have a decision that's going to be hard.... fight against the Chantry, and not have the woman of my dreams... or fight for the Chantry, and get the woman of my dreams? They better add in Morrigan as a second option to choose from dammit.

You can have both fight against chantry and her heart you just need take her heart literally 

With GREAT pleasure, and maybe a light red wine.

[brushyourteeth]

Vilegrim wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...



Oh Cassandra how you manage to leak right inside of this mages heart. But how would you take it? How would you handle a mage falling straight in love with you?

I suppose I have a decision that's going to be hard.... fight against the Chantry, and not have the woman of my dreams... or fight for the Chantry, and get the woman of my dreams? They better add in Morrigan as a second option to choose from dammit.

You can have both fight against chantry and her heart you just need take her heart literally 

With GREAT pleasure, and maybe a light red wine.

Sexualized violence against women. Lovely.

[TheKomandorShepard]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...



Oh Cassandra how you manage to leak right inside of this mages heart. But how would you take it? How would you handle a mage falling straight in love with you?

I suppose I have a decision that's going to be hard.... fight against the Chantry, and not have the woman of my dreams... or fight for the Chantry, and get the woman of my dreams? They better add in Morrigan as a second option to choose from dammit.

You can have both fight against chantry and her heart you just need take her heart literally 

With GREAT pleasure, and maybe a light red wine.

Sexualized violence against women. Lovely.

Sexualized? nahh but we have excuse first her appearance is confusing is that a man or woman and second she threw book at varric she must die now.

[MisterJB]

Palidane wrote...

I'll play ball with the Chantry, but only to a point. Without the templars, all they can do is make vague allusions to the destination of my soul.

Or preach how the Inquisition is a group of demon-possessed heathen who will burn women and rape churches thus diminishing any potential support from the people and the more devout nobility.

[SugarBabe49]

I am hoping this would at least allow me to stand against the Chantry. Not the Mages or the Templars because I saw both points.

Yes - Mages are dangerous and need monitoring but they do not deserved to be raped and/or tortured like some Templars we've seen imply to have done.

Yes - Templars are needed because they have the abilities to control Mages by disrupting their magic but they don't deserve be under constant Lyrium addiction. Alistair (if you chose the Templar path) has proven he can use it without Lyrium.

I feel the Chantry is root of their problems - they refuse to compromise between the Templars and the Mages which ends up leading to friction and I can't help but feel that this is going to come back to bite in them in the ass considering the Mages and the Templars have both split away from the Chantry.

The Chantry (and Templars) love to say that Mages are to serve man, not to rule over them - that I can understand but where exactly are they serving man (other than being forced into a plaything?)

Anders is/was a healer in the second game - the Chantry could have set up clinics for those who need medical help and Mages could use their healing abilities to help these people, to show that there are magic that can be used for good.

If the Chantry tried at least to get the Mages to use their magic for good, then the chances of Mages turning to demons and blood magic are likely to be less - because every time I see Mages turning to those abilities - it's out of desperation to get away, to get some freedom. And if the Templars could see them using their magic for good, they are more likely to treat them better.

But that's just me, and it could come off as naïve (because like a poster said - I sincerely doubt the war between the mages and the Templars will be resolve in DA:I) but I really do hope that there is at least a fraction of the Chantry that DOES want the Mages and Templars to work together rather than oppose.

THAT I would support, but a Chantry that rather shove the Maker down my throat and say all Mages must be contained is one I'd rather burn to the ground.

Modifié par SugarBabe49, 09 août 2013 - 04:48 .

[DarthLaxian]

RosaAquafire wrote...

I hope we can still choose to play as religiously devoted characters. I had a lot of fun doing that in DA:O despite being an atheist myself. Very immersive.

i still don't get how people could play a character that goes against anything they themselves "believe" in (or don't in the case of an atheist (i am one, too!))? - i can never go down that route...it just does not work for me (meaning i can not play a devote/fanatic/zealot and i hate being forced down this road)

but yeah, i would love to be able to oppose the chantry (i don't necessarily want it destroyed, as it is not all bad (if they stop forcing people to believe and keep out of politics (no more "exalted" marches etc.) i could live with them (like with RL-Catholic-Church...also in recent times they try to play politics again, which is something i hate (and most modern states have banned in their constitutions!))

but i agree with others saying that this statement is not very conclusive!

greetings LAX

[Ausstig]

 Oh, joy the purpose of the new Mage companion is to 'put a face to the Mage-Templar conflict, yay<_<
Why could it not be a Templar to put a face to it or Varric? He hated taking sides, more proof that we will be railroaded into fighting the Templars/Chantry<_<, oh joy

[MisterJB]

Not saying that you don't have reason to be hesitant but we will have Cassandra and Cullen. I'm sure they'll provide their own perspective.

[jvaz]

Savber100 wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

I think the current (sort of ) nice Divine is going to die ,and a pro templar divine will be put on the invisible throne by people like Lambert.
The chantry will go thru a witch hunt , burning books , (that you need), etc...

I guess you could still be pro chantry , but if you want to solve your problem you have no choice but to go against the chantry on some levels.

I really hope it's really cool hidden knowledge like the Apocrypha title hinted.

Naw. Bioware has been building her up way too much in Asunder and Dawn of the Seeker to just suddenly kill her off in DA:I.

I believe Justinia V still has a role to play regarding the war.

Justinia V is not the Divine in Dawn of The Seeker

[Northern Sun]

jvaz wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

I think the current (sort of ) nice Divine is going to die ,and a pro templar divine will be put on the invisible throne by people like Lambert.
The chantry will go thru a witch hunt , burning books , (that you need), etc...

I guess you could still be pro chantry , but if you want to solve your problem you have no choice but to go against the chantry on some levels.

I really hope it's really cool hidden knowledge like the Apocrypha title hinted.

Naw. Bioware has been building her up way too much in Asunder and Dawn of the Seeker to just suddenly kill her off in DA:I.

I believe Justinia V still has a role to play regarding the war.

Justinia V is not the Divine in Dawn of The Seeker

She became the Divine on 9:34 during Act 2 for Dragon Age 2.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

The Chantry has been around long enough its better to wipe it out and start the world a new. Why bother saving the world if the world we save is still going to be held down by a drug dealing, kidnapping hypocrites?

Even if there are good people in the Chantry the organization as a whole does more harm then good and deserves to be wiped out.

[jvaz]

Northern Sun wrote...

jvaz wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

I think the current (sort of ) nice Divine is going to die ,and a pro templar divine will be put on the invisible throne by people like Lambert.
The chantry will go thru a witch hunt , burning books , (that you need), etc...

I guess you could still be pro chantry , but if you want to solve your problem you have no choice but to go against the chantry on some levels.

I really hope it's really cool hidden knowledge like the Apocrypha title hinted.

Naw. Bioware has been building her up way too much in Asunder and Dawn of the Seeker to just suddenly kill her off in DA:I.

I believe Justinia V still has a role to play regarding the war.

Justinia V is not the Divine in Dawn of The Seeker

She became the Divine on 9:34 during Act 2 for Dragon Age 2.

Dawn of The Seeker takes place during 9:22 

[Xilizhra]

MisterJB wrote...

Palidane wrote...

I'll play ball with the Chantry, but only to a point. Without the templars, all they can do is make vague allusions to the destination of my soul.

Or preach how the Inquisition is a group of demon-possessed heathen who will burn women and rape churches thus diminishing any potential support from the people and the more devout nobility.

Justinia? I very much doubt it. There could be renegades of sorts wandering around, but Justinia seems pliable enough. If she backs us, I'll do what I can to tame the herd.

[BlueMagitek]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

The Chantry has been around long enough its better to wipe it out and start the world a new. Why bother saving the world if the world we save is still going to be held down by a drug dealing, kidnapping hypocrites?

Even if there are good people in the Chantry the organization as a whole does more harm then good and deserves to be wiped out.

Uh, have you seen, well, practically any faction in Thedas?

[Ausstig]

MisterJB wrote...

Not saying that you don't have reason to be hesitant but we will have Cassandra and Cullen. I'm sure they'll provide their own perspective.

Last I heard Cas is still serving the Devine, the same woman who's anti-templar plot started the war. I have no idea what Cullen will be, but I have limited hope. 

[jvaz]

Ausstig wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Not saying that you don't have reason to be hesitant but we will have Cassandra and Cullen. I'm sure they'll provide their own perspective.

Last I heard Cas is still serving the Devine, the same woman who's anti-templar plot started the war. I have no idea what Cullen will be, but I have limited hope. 

Please elaborate

[dragonflight288]

Anyone ever play Risen 2? There is a quote in there that I think deserves to be thought about.

"When it comes to saving the world, that means saving all of it, not just the parts that you agree with. And that means the Inquisition and their ways."

Completely different form of inquisition, I'm sure, but this quote deserves to be heard.

I mean, if the demons, darkspawn, Qunari, and all the civil wars going on, the Inquisitor probably won't be able to pick and choose who he wishes to help and let everyone else burn. So many demons in an area, and you'll need mages to effectively combat them, and if that mage goes abomination or rogue, you'll need templars who can negate magic effectively. With the Qunari, you'll need the mages at their full strength to combat their superior technology, which means the templars will need to show more restraint in their urges, which in turn means the conflict will have to be settled one way or another, or at least put on hold in the face of a greater threat.

The Inquisitor will have to get respected as an organization, and find a way to enforce a peace, or Thedas and the world will destroy itself.

[MisterJB]

Is using the mages as cannon fodder against the qunari, steal their technology and turn it against them after they've been sufficiently weakened not an option? "sigh"
One day with the Qunari and the mages would beg to return to the Circles.

At any rate, the point of the game is to "save the world from itself". This implies the world is tearing itself apart.  We know that disagreement upon politics and morality are what is tearing the world apart. Therefore, it follows that, if we agree with one part but not the other, one could stop the world from destroying itseld by removing one of the offending parties.

Not that it's a bad quote, I just don't agree with it.

Modifié par MisterJB, 11 août 2013 - 03:25 .

[LinksOcarina]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Anyone ever play Risen 2? There is a quote in there that I think deserves to be thought about.

"When it comes to saving the world, that means saving all of it, not just the parts that you agree with. And that means the Inquisition and their ways."

Completely different form of inquisition, I'm sure, but this quote deserves to be heard.

I mean, if the demons, darkspawn, Qunari, and all the civil wars going on, the Inquisitor probably won't be able to pick and choose who he wishes to help and let everyone else burn. So many demons in an area, and you'll need mages to effectively combat them, and if that mage goes abomination or rogue, you'll need templars who can negate magic effectively. With the Qunari, you'll need the mages at their full strength to combat their superior technology, which means the templars will need to show more restraint in their urges, which in turn means the conflict will have to be settled one way or another, or at least put on hold in the face of a greater threat.

The Inquisitor will have to get respected as an organization, and find a way to enforce a peace, or Thedas and the world will destroy itself.

Thats actually a good quote...too bad it comes from a terrible game.

Honestly, such alliances are a bit irrelevent in the present, when the game is taking place.

For future installments however, I am curious to see what happens. 

[Xilizhra]

Is using the mages as cannon fodder against the qunari, steal their technology and turn it against them after they've been sufficiently weakened not an option? "sigh"
One day with the Qunari and the mages would beg to return to the Circles.

Don't worry, I don't doubt we'll be able to roll up the qunari in the next game. Hell, maybe my theory will be right and the Qun will itself be a persistent spell. That'd be quite a sight to see break...

[The Elder King]

I wouldn't mind a cliffhanger at the end of DAI, with SPOILER




A fleet of qunari dreadnoughts invading the rest of Thedas, with Sten/Arishok making a speech.

[Xilizhra]

hhh89 wrote...

I wouldn't mind a cliffhanger at the end of DAI, with SPOILER




A fleet of qunari dreadnoughts invading the rest of Thedas, with Sten/Arishok making a speech.

So, would he be the main antagonist of the fourth game?

[azarhal]

You know, having listened to Darrah saying that the Inquisition was like a "rebel group" doing the job of the Chantry (paraphrasing), I'm starting to think that when he says Chantry, he means the Templars.

The Divine doesn't have the resources to counter a demon invasion since they left her...and the Templars seems to believe that they are the only ones who can deal with demons and mages (yet, we the players, know they are incompetents. We had to do the demon cleaning each and every time, because they couldn't).

[Heimdall]

jvaz wrote...

Ausstig wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Not saying that you don't have reason to be hesitant but we will have Cassandra and Cullen. I'm sure they'll provide their own perspective.

Last I heard Cas is still serving the Devine, the same woman who's anti-templar plot started the war. I have no idea what Cullen will be, but I have limited hope. 

Please elaborate

In Asunder, Justinia's leniency with mages and pursuit of a more Mage friendly circle was what drove Lambert, the Lord Seeker, to split with the chantry and wage outright war on the mages.