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[Dirgegun]

Man, I find some of the ideals in here scary as balls. Genocide? Mass murder because of religious and cultural differences? Slaughtering a group of people because of how they were born? Slavery? Killing everyone with a particular ideal or occupation, even if they don't take it to the extreme? There's some hardarsed characters planned here. 

As for the whole opposing the Chantry thing...

I really do think it'll be more a case of the Chantry just not being pleased with our rag-tag band of misfits looking into things they'd rather we keep our mits out of. That doesn't make us pro- or anti- Chantry unless we choose to be. It just makes us a pain in their arse. 

Modifié par Dirgegun, 11 août 2013 - 02:05 .

[RepHope]

^Welcime to the BSN you leave your self-control and empathy at the door

[Dave of Canada]

Lord Aesir wrote...

In Asunder, Justinia's leniency with mages and pursuit of a more Mage friendly circle was what drove Lambert, the Lord Seeker, to split with the chantry and wage outright war on the mages.

Can't forget to mention that Justinia's agents killed Templar and helped cause the war.

[ames4u]

Savber100 wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

I think the current (sort of ) nice Divine is going to die ,and a pro templar divine will be put on the invisible throne by people like Lambert.
The chantry will go thru a witch hunt , burning books , (that you need), etc...

I guess you could still be pro chantry , but if you want to solve your problem you have no choice but to go against the chantry on some levels.

I really hope it's really cool hidden knowledge like the Apocrypha title hinted.

Naw. Bioware has been building her up way too much in Asunder and Dawn of the Seeker to just suddenly kill her off in DA:I.

I believe Justinia V still has a role to play regarding the war.

I rather like how she was portrayed in Asunder. I also don't see her being killed off arbitrarily without reason either-plus she seems to know wher stuff when it comes to dealing with certain problem people. Though, I am confused as to why she didn't send her agents to bump off Lambert (though Cole does this anyway) when she saw first hand just how dangerous he was and how far he was willing to go to wrangle control from the Chantry. Wouldn't surprise me if it turned out that she was a bard in a previous life or had some martial combat skills of her own hidden under that frock.

What I don't want to see is Gaspard and Lambert showing up in game when by all intents and purposes they are already dead. (Gaspard due to mark of the assassin.) But then comes the question-how does the civil war with Celene kick off if Hawke killed him?

[Magdalena11]

I usually play pro-chantry, or at least pro-Andraste. The reason is that unless I'm a Dalish elf or a dwarf, I presume I was brought up to respect the dominant religion. I may or may not agree to its teachings but I wouldn't bad mouth my parents and disrespect their beliefs. This is why Anders' destruction of the Chantry is so moving for me. If I decide to spare him, it is with extremely mixed emotions. Unless I'm Dalish or a dwarf, I always follow along in the responses, even if it's an automatic response - eg "the Lord be with you""and also with you." Even if I don't believe it's a knee-jerk reaction that I was taught as a child and I'm not going to abandon because it means something to the person I'm saying it to.

For me, roleplaying is just that. I decide what my PC is going to react to and do that.

[ames4u]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

We just don't see their dirt in first game in second we could see more of their actions. Elthina was responsible for what meredith was doing in circle so she isn't good she know how she treats mages but didn't want act. As long there may be some good peoples in chantry like in imperial chantry but chantry is rotten and kicked many dogs.

Elthina did however make a compelling argument: She stated in a somewhat joking fashion that she has no real pull with the templars. Which made more sense after I finished reading Asunder. The templars aligned with the chantry because they had similar views. IE: Subjugate the mages. When Lord Seeker Lambert found out that they were no longer seeing things the same way, he declared the Templars and Seekers divorced from the Chantry. Now there are divisions in the ranks clearly, some remain loyal, but not all. Not everyone in the Andrastian faith are heartless creeps. And this is coming from someone who will automatically free the slaves and save the downtrodden and hated DA2.

[The Elder King]

Xilizhra wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

I wouldn't mind a cliffhanger at the end of DAI, with SPOILER




A fleet of qunari dreadnoughts invading the rest of Thedas, with Sten/Arishok making a speech.

So, would he be the main antagonist of the fourth game?

I'd say so. It's likely that they'll change the epilogue slide where he dies, and if the qunari will ever be the main enemy of a DA game, he'll be one of their leaders.

[cjones91]

ames4u wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

I think the current (sort of ) nice Divine is going to die ,and a pro templar divine will be put on the invisible throne by people like Lambert.
The chantry will go thru a witch hunt , burning books , (that you need), etc...

I guess you could still be pro chantry , but if you want to solve your problem you have no choice but to go against the chantry on some levels.

I really hope it's really cool hidden knowledge like the Apocrypha title hinted.

Naw. Bioware has been building her up way too much in Asunder and Dawn of the Seeker to just suddenly kill her off in DA:I.

I believe Justinia V still has a role to play regarding the war.

I rather like how she was portrayed in Asunder. I also don't see her being killed off arbitrarily without reason either-plus she seems to know wher stuff when it comes to dealing with certain problem people. Though, I am confused as to why she didn't send her agents to bump off Lambert (though Cole does this anyway) when she saw first hand just how dangerous he was and how far he was willing to go to wrangle control from the Chantry. Wouldn't surprise me if it turned out that she was a bard in a previous life or had some martial combat skills of her own hidden under that frock.

What I don't want to see is Gaspard and Lambert showing up in game when by all intents and purposes they are already dead. (Gaspard due to mark of the assassin.) But then comes the question-how does the civil war with Celene kick off if Hawke killed him?

It's a different Gaspard.

[TheKomandorShepard]

ames4u wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

We just don't see their dirt in first game in second we could see more of their actions. Elthina was responsible for what meredith was doing in circle so she isn't good she know how she treats mages but didn't want act. As long there may be some good peoples in chantry like in imperial chantry but chantry is rotten and kicked many dogs.

Elthina did however make a compelling argument: She stated in a somewhat joking fashion that she has no real pull with the templars. Which made more sense after I finished reading Asunder. The templars aligned with the chantry because they had similar views. IE: Subjugate the mages. When Lord Seeker Lambert found out that they were no longer seeing things the same way, he declared the Templars and Seekers divorced from the Chantry. Now there are divisions in the ranks clearly, some remain loyal, but not all. Not everyone in the Andrastian faith are heartless creeps. And this is coming from someone who will automatically free the slaves and save the downtrodden and hated DA2.

She had authority over templars she was the one that chosen meredith but didn't want act.Justinia lost power becuase she was incompetent and a weak leader lambert was better leader.I don't say that everyone in chantry is mad killer or racist i say that chantry is corrupted but thats not only issue even if is not corrupted chantry is bad organization which when can't control something try destroy that and is full of hypocrisy thanks to that institution we have many problems in thedas like hatred and fear not only towards mages and elves but towards others who doesn't worship their god. That same for imperial chantry when there are some good peoples but most of them are screwd up by culture.  

ames4u wrote...

What I don't want to see is Gaspard and
Lambert showing up in game when by all intents and purposes they are
already dead. (Gaspard due to mark of the assassin.) But then comes the
question-how does the civil war with Celene kick off if Hawke killed
him?

http://dragonage.wik...pard_de_Chalons

http://dragonage.wik...ki/Duke_Prosper

And lambert fate is unknown but i would be rly disappointed if he died as i don't like templars he is
competent leader whe would be worthy opponent for my pro mage character.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 11 août 2013 - 04:41 .

[Heimdall]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

In Asunder, Justinia's leniency with mages and pursuit of a more Mage friendly circle was what drove Lambert, the Lord Seeker, to split with the chantry and wage outright war on the mages.

Can't forget to mention that Justinia's agents killed Templar and helped cause the war.

I recall that only happened after Lambert decided to annul the circle.  She chose to side with the mages, and yes it helped the war start.  Which is why I don't blame Elthina for hesitating to take a similar stance.

[MisterJB]

Lambert never decided to anull the Circle, he was simply containing the mages because he rightly guessed they would take the opportunity offered to start a violent uprising and because they resited the lawful arrest of Rhys despite the overwhelming evidence of his culpability in the matter of the murders of apprentices.
No mages were executed or Tranquilised, any who died did so in the heat of battle.

Modifié par MisterJB, 11 août 2013 - 11:54 .

[Ausstig]

jvaz wrote...

Ausstig wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Not saying that you don't have reason to be hesitant but we will have Cassandra and Cullen. I'm sure they'll provide their own perspective.

Last I heard Cas is still serving the Devine, the same woman who's anti-templar plot started the war. I have no idea what Cullen will be, but I have limited hope. 

Please elaborate

Her over reliance on secret plots and political intrigue, made an already tense situation worse and alienated the Leader of the Templars, someone whom she should either placate get along with or have removed. Her actions lead to the war, when she could easily have sat everyone down and got them to start working towards a solution.   

[azarhal]

Ausstig wrote...

jvaz wrote...

Ausstig wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Not saying that you don't have reason to be hesitant but we will have Cassandra and Cullen. I'm sure they'll provide their own perspective.

Last I heard Cas is still serving the Devine, the same woman who's anti-templar plot started the war. I have no idea what Cullen will be, but I have limited hope. 

Please elaborate

Her over reliance on secret plots and political intrigue, made an already tense situation worse and alienated the Leader of the Templars, someone whom she should either placate get along with or have removed. Her actions lead to the war, when she could easily have sat everyone down and got them to start working towards a solution.   

It's Orlais. If there aren't any secret plots and/or political intrigue something is very, very wrong.

[Xilizhra]

Her over reliance on secret plots and political intrigue, made an already tense situation worse and alienated the Leader of the Templars, someone whom she should either placate get along with or have removed. Her actions lead to the war, when she could easily have sat everyone down and got them to start working towards a solution.

No. The war was born purely of templar aggression.

[rolson00]

if I can the Templars will an order of their own protecting mages from themselves and projecting others from mages and the cruelty of the chantrey will be put down brutally. coz im nice like that

[Heimdall]

Ausstig wrote...

Her over reliance on secret plots and political intrigue, made an already tense situation worse and alienated the Leader of the Templars, someone whom she should either placate get along with or have removed. Her actions lead to the war, when she could easily have sat everyone down and got them to start working towards a solution.   

Uh huh...

Lambert was alienated by the very notion that the Divine was favoring Mages, not secret plots.  He thought the Templars weren't strict enough as it was.

[DKJaigen]

MisterJB wrote...

Lambert never decided to anull the Circle, he was simply containing the mages because he rightly guessed they would take the opportunity offered to start a violent uprising and because they resited the lawful arrest of Rhys despite the overwhelming evidence of his culpability in the matter of the murders of apprentices.
No mages were executed or Tranquilised, any who died did so in the heat of battle.

He handeld the entire situation with all the tact of a chainsaw. The result is that the templars are not at war with the mages, they are considerd traitors to the chantry and their is very likely that the orlesian nobility is also pissed of with the templars. instead causing an uproar he could have discreetly take rhys into custody after the gathering. He could have used diplomacy to get the circle once again alligned with the chantry through negotiations instead of violence.
Was he in the right ? perhaps! was it a smart thing to do?nope!