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[fchopin]

I don’t see what the problem is; Bioware can just have health regeneration on the lower difficulties and no regeneration for normal and higher difficulties so i don’t see a problem.

[Pzykozis]

fchopin wrote...

I don’t see what the problem is; Bioware can just have health regeneration on the lower difficulties and no regeneration for normal and higher difficulties so i don’t see a problem.

Because it's not a matter of difficulty if my choice was enjoy no health regen in this context and play on casual I'd not play the game.

I'll play on nightmare or equivalent with no health regen assuming nothing is revealed down the line that turns me off the game, doen't mean I have to like the change though.

Modifié par Pzykozis, 09 août 2013 - 09:44 .

[fchopin]

Pzykozis wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I don’t see what the problem is; Bioware can just have health regeneration on the lower difficulties and no regeneration for normal and higher difficulties so i don’t see a problem.

Because it's not a matter of difficulty if my choice was enjoy no health regen in this context and play on casual I'd not play the game.

I'll play on nightmare or equivalent with no health regen assuming nothing is revealed down the line that turns me off the game, doen't mean I have to like the change though.

Yes but i still do not see the problem, you have health potions and mage healing so what is so different in the game?

[Maria Caliban]

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CrustyBot wrote...

I don't mind all this (no regen, camping w/ food requirements) being non-compulsory.

Just have them as default settings, then have a "casual" toggle to disable them. Everybody wins.

I don't think adding a toggle is the solution.

For example, if classes are designed around the idea that healing isn't automatic, having a spirit healer around is probably one solution. If healing is automatic, we now have a specialization that loses utility.

If health regen isn't automatic, then the game probably assumes you buy or create health potions. Adding a health regen toggle now messes with game economy.

Allan Schumacher wrote...

The issue would be more along the lines of the people that prefer the encounter design of a game with regenerating health, and the challenge that comes with it.

Right. It's unfortunate that a number of people equate 'I don't like this game element that I think will lead to tedium' to 'I don't like difficulty.'

legbamel wrote...

I just don't see the benefit to game play if you're just forcing regen through some other medium.

'If you want healing, bring a mage with healing spells.' 'If you want to unlock chests, bring a rogue.'

The benefit is that different class combinations provide different play experiences.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 09 août 2013 - 10:08 .

[Pzykozis]

fchopin wrote...

Pzykozis wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I don’t see what the problem is; Bioware can just have health regeneration on the lower difficulties and no regeneration for normal and higher difficulties so i don’t see a problem.

Because it's not a matter of difficulty if my choice was enjoy no health regen in this context and play on casual I'd not play the game.

I'll play on nightmare or equivalent with no health regen assuming nothing is revealed down the line that turns me off the game, doen't mean I have to like the change though.

Yes but i still do not see the problem, you have health potions and mage healing so what is so different in the game?

It has a much wider affect than that, if it was just potions and mage healing you're essentially not really getting rid of health regeneration more just making it an active and slightly pointless task.

It affects economy, inventory management and whilst i don't particularly enjoy those things they dont bother me.

What I find less appealing is the change to combat balancing and encounter design, no health regen makes it a long game whereby the balance is set up to go for attrition based over multiple encounters culminating in the final boss fight or whatever, I prefer instead as I've said a few times now tighter and harder individual combats whereby you can easily lose by making a mistake in every or nearly every single fight, this doesn't really gel well with no regen because it can't be assumed that the party is always at peak power, so it has to have a bit of leeway dependant on difficulty of course but meh.

Now if the game was like new vegas or dark souls or witcher or whatever then I'd have no concern about no regen I, like others enjoy hardcore mode on NV but its a whooole different kettle of fish.

[TMJfin]

I really don't understand how it hurts anybody if there's an option on lower difficulties. If someone want's to waltz trough the game without "ever" needing to heal, let them. BioWare games have great stories and there are many people who play them just because of that. I didn't mind that there was narrative difficulty on ME3. Never used it, so why should I be butt hurt that someone else did?

[Ziggeh]

fchopin wrote...

Yes but i still do not see the problem, you have health potions and mage healing so what is so different in the game?

Leaving those things in the same format as previous games while removing auto-regen would defeat the purpose of removing it, so why would you assume they'll be there?

[Maria Caliban]

Ziggeh wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Yes but i still do not see the problem, you have health potions and mage healing so what is so different in the game?

Leaving those things in the same format as previous games while removing auto-regen would defeat the purpose of removing it, so why would you assume they'll be there?

Previous experience with BioWare games.

[Wissenschaft]

emovingPeople originally complained that Dragon Age was too hard when it first came out and that game allowed you to spam health potions. I can't see them not replacing health regen without having health potions.

However, if healing is like in DA 2 with very limit health potions with delays in use but without out of battle health regen. That could certainly increase the games difficulty.

However, most likely it will just mean u will never leave home without plenty of crafted health potions. Which is not so bad as long as theres a delay inbetween health potion use.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 09 août 2013 - 10:37 .

[fchopin]

Ziggeh wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Yes but i still do not see the problem, you have health potions and mage healing so what is so different in the game?

Leaving those things in the same format as previous games while removing auto-regen would defeat the purpose of removing it, so why would you assume they'll be there?

I cannot see Bioware removing health potions and the healing mage power.

[Pzykozis]

fchopin wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Yes but i still do not see the problem, you have health potions and mage healing so what is so different in the game?

Leaving those things in the same format as previous games while removing auto-regen would defeat the purpose of removing it, so why would you assume they'll be there?

I cannot see Bioware removing health potions and the healing mage power.

Perhaps and I don't think they will but they will need to balance the importance and use of those things either way otherwise you will just have item spam health regen which is the same but forces you to click which is.. kinda pointless.

[Ziggeh]

fchopin wrote...

I cannot see Bioware removing health potions and the healing mage power.

They don't need to remove them to limit them in a fashion that doesn't make the non regeneration redundant.

[Ziggeh]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Previous experience with BioWare games.

I would say that all modern bioware games have shown a strong awareness of the impact of mechanics. Their decisions have not always played out well, but they've always been well founded.

[fchopin]

Ziggeh wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I cannot see Bioware removing health potions and the healing mage power.

They don't need to remove them to limit them in a fashion that doesn't make the non regeneration redundant.

Well until we play or see gameplay we will not know how good it will be so we have to have patience.

[Bleachrude]

fchopin wrote...

I don’t see what the problem is; Bioware can just have health regeneration on the lower difficulties and no regeneration for normal and higher difficulties so i don’t see a problem.

Again, health regeneration should not affect the difficulty of battles. What it does is force players to be more prepared pre-battle. The question is if the pre-battle planning is worth it.

FO: NV hardcore mode never made the battles themselves harder...it just increased the amount of time you spent scavenging, crafting I found.

re: Forced to take a mage/thief
I'm ambivalent about this...I like the fact that a game encourages you to have certain classes in your party but at the same time, it was hella annoying in games to simply backtrack with one person just to unlock a trap. Furthermore, you never see "HAVE TO TAKE A FIGHTER" when people talk about this

Another example of how fighters get screwed over in fantasy games...they're not allowed to have nice things.

[fchopin]

Bleachrude wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I don’t see what the problem is; Bioware can just have health regeneration on the lower difficulties and no regeneration for normal and higher difficulties so i don’t see a problem.

Again, health regeneration should not affect the difficulty of battles. What it does is force players to be more prepared pre-battle. The question is if the pre-battle planning is worth it.

FO: NV hardcore mode never made the battles themselves harder...it just increased the amount of time you spent scavenging, crafting I found.

re: Forced to take a mage/thief
I'm ambivalent about this...I like the fact that a game encourages you to have certain classes in your party but at the same time, it was hella annoying in games to simply backtrack with one person just to unlock a trap. Furthermore, you never see "HAVE TO TAKE A FIGHTER" when people talk about this

Another example of how fighters get screwed over in fantasy games...they're not allowed to have nice things.

And how am i supposed to know what Bioware will do? We will have to wait and see.
I think the developers know how to balance a game and if they don’t we will let them know.

[Ziggeh]

fchopin wrote...

Well until we play or see gameplay we will not know how good it will be so we have to have patience.

Exactly my point - it's not terribly productive if we start with the assumption they will break their own content. Raise it as a potential concern, certainly, but saying it will be flawed because of the thing you're assuming is problematic.

[Fast Jimmy]

To put this in perspective for myself, I usually played DA:O on Nightmare. I fired up DA2 with the same difficulty, expecting a similar experience.

But I found the overly abused wave mechanics, the giant HP pools of enemies, the need to kite while waiting for cool downs, the focus on skills over standard attacks/proper unit matching, the neccessity in many cases to utilize Cross Class Combos (with very little support to making said tactics interface easily), etc. to make the game very tedious for me. Notice - I didn't say HARD... just tedious.

So I dropped the difficulty down to Casual just to get through things faster and not have to suffer the nonsense of features I didn't agree with. It let me get through the game faster and made dislike the combat less.

So I don't see why people feel they can't drop the difficulty down if they really are slconcerned with the effect a no-regen of health would have on the game. Enemies will do less damage, you do more (meaning the enemy will have less time to do damage to you as well) and you will likely be able to use potions/rest sparingly. You would dislike the tedium of dealing with the game's mechanics on higher difficulty settings, so you bypass most of them by making combat easier.

If you don't want combat over in a flash, then maybe just drop to Easy instead of Casual. But Normal should be where such a mechanics begins to come into play, if even only a little. Hard should should make it something you address regularly. And Nightmare should make it difficult to even beat the game, where you are having to spend lots of money/resources on healing, forcing you to play well or forgoe other things like better equipment throughout the entire game.


I really don't see the problem with this - because it is exactly like how other DA games have worked. Mechanics and concepts are introduced that are pretty much circumvented by the lower difficulty alone. If you don't like no health regen, there's no point in asking for an option to turn it off on lower difficulties - I have a large amount of confidence it won't be a factor on those difficulties regardless.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 09 août 2013 - 01:06 .

[Argahawk]

Will say one on my first time I want to play on casual/normal mode without health regen and without changing to hard or higher difficulty to have it.


But we need to wait for more info from Bioware in this matter without more speculations how everything should be or how we want.

Modifié par Argahawk, 09 août 2013 - 01:28 .

[Fetunche]

No health regen doesn't make it more difficult it just adds a lot of unnecessary faffing about. I hate having to drag a rogue around or revisit areas with a rogue just to unlock stuff and I don't want to have to drag a Mage around to heal or make potions so I don't have to waste money and inventory space. Resting, eating, drinking also waste money and inventory space just extra layers of tedium. I want to have companions in my party that I want, not because I have to.(or no companions). Is it such a hard concept to grasp difficulty isn't the issue, boredom is.

[RedArmyShogun]

Health regen gets old, nice to have healing items honestly.

[Fast Jimmy]

Fetunche wrote...

No health regen doesn't make it more difficult it just adds a lot of unnecessary faffing about. I hate having to drag a rogue around or revisit areas with a rogue just to unlock stuff and I don't want to have to drag a Mage around to heal or make potions so I don't have to waste money and inventory space. Resting, eating, drinking also waste money and inventory space just extra layers of tedium. I want to have companions in my party that I want, not because I have to.(or no companions). Is it such a hard concept to grasp difficulty isn't the issue, boredom is.

To parrot your unnecessary exasperation, is it such a hard concept to grasp that lower difficulty will make the game likely so easy, you won't need to rest/heal/use items outside of your normal course of business anyway, so there would BE no tedium for those who use it?