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[Fast Jimmy]

It is zero seconds. You're paused. That's what pause and play is for. I really am not seeing the issue.

Well, the issue I am seeing is "I don't want to micromanage" which seems kind of ironic, but that might be unfair.

Can you dodge while paused? In DA2, it was incredibly difficult to do, because the character you were instructing to (say) run around the side of a Rage Demon's assassinate attack would shuffle around or not execute quickly enough, etc. and still be hit with the attack. Only by taking control and strafing around the side of the enemy would you completely avoid the damage - and this could be done by any character the player controlled, regardless of Dexterity or any other stat or talents.

It was solely player skill. Which is action gameplay.

[The dead fish]

Nevermind lol.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 16 août 2013 - 10:32 .

[fchopin]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

There wasn't a way to hit a button and dodge out of the way, yes. Because such action combat is antithetical to party-based gameplay. Having the player take control to a character and make it so they can avoid any damage, despite having a low Dexterity score, etc., is action gameplay. 

That was random and automated so that was different and it was mostly for rogues so its not the same thing.
 
Most times you could be half a mile away and you would still get hit.

[Fast Jimmy]

Filament wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Can you dodge while paused? In DA2, it was incredibly difficult to do, because the character you were instructing to (say) run around the side of a Rage Demon's assassinate attack would shuffle around or not execute quickly enough, etc. and still be hit with the attack. Only by taking control and strafing around the side of the enemy would you completely avoid the damage - and this could be done by any character the player controlled, regardless of Dexterity or any other stat or talents.

It was solely player skill. Which is action gameplay.

You're describing an ability I never once took advantage of on nightmare. It sounds similar to kiting, to me.

Apparently such things are possible, but I don't know if they're either intended or really optimal. You're supposed to knock those enemies out of stealth (pull of the abyss, cone of cold, etc) or be forced to soak up the damage with somebody. It's supposed to just be punishing like that. But certainly, those types of "actiony" tactics are only optional.

It IS supposed to be punishing, you're right. Yet for console players like myself, it was exceptionally easy to avoid any sort of damage or to be required to use the mana/stamina for a combo breaker.

After the Rock Wraith fight, it became apparaent to me that controlling a character rather than giving commands to do anything was the better route. Mostly because the companion AI wouldn't obey your orders without A) huge delays or without changing their mind halfway through.

I found the "run to dodge" tehcnique ubiquitous for every attack that wasn't instaneous. I'm surpirsed you didn't utilize it - it came so naturally to the rest of the game's feel I thought that it was just how the game was expected to play. And I didn't find it enjoyable... but, then again, I wasn't just going to take the hit, either.

[In Exile]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
I found the "run to dodge" tehcnique ubiquitous for every attack that wasn't instaneous. I'm surpirsed you didn't utilize it - it came so naturally to the rest of the game's feel I thought that it was just how the game was expected to play. And I didn't find it enjoyable... but, then again, I wasn't just going to take the hit, either.

If you play on PC, this isn't a thing you can really do with any more fidelity than controlling an NPC, because there's no distinction between controlling any character. It's just switching who you control, and point-and-clicking. 

[AlanC9]

Fast Jimmy wrote...


I found the "run to dodge" tehcnique ubiquitous for every attack that wasn't instaneous. I'm surpirsed you didn't utilize it - it came so naturally to the rest of the game's feel I thought that it was just how the game was expected to play. And I didn't find it enjoyable... but, then again, I wasn't just going to take the hit, either.

I imagine this came about because nobody really liked the way in DAO arrows, etc. could follow the target around corners.

[Fast Jimmy]

In Exile wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
I found the "run to dodge" tehcnique ubiquitous for every attack that wasn't instaneous. I'm surpirsed you didn't utilize it - it came so naturally to the rest of the game's feel I thought that it was just how the game was expected to play. And I didn't find it enjoyable... but, then again, I wasn't just going to take the hit, either.

If you play on PC, this isn't a thing you can really do with any more fidelity than controlling an NPC, because there's no distinction between controlling any character. It's just switching who you control, and point-and-clicking. 

Ah. Well, that would explain it.

In the 360 version of the game, this is a gameplay element (run to dodge). As well as mashing the autoattack button to do more damage. Both of which are incredibly "action" elements of the gameplay.