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[shingara]

Steelcan wrote...

shingara wrote...


 So let me get this right, you think for dna to be shared you have to be able to hump and have a kid with something within that species. thanks, you just gave me a laugh. The exact criteria for membership in the Homininae are not clear, but the subfamily generally includes those species which share more than 97% of their DNA with the modern human genome, and exhibit a capacity for language or for simple cultures beyond the family or band.

You are misunderstanding me.  We may "share" DNA with chimpanzees, lemurs, australopithicenes, etc... But that is irrelevent to what I am saying.  Human diversity took a hit because of a population bottleneck, and since humantiy cannot interbreed with other species this lack of genetic diversity ahs persisted for millenia.

 No it didnt at all, its been proven that an explosion of diversity happened around 5000 years ago. www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/346687/description/Genetic_diversity_exploded_in_recent_millennia and the human dna is a shared dna across species. Humans have those genes and dna strands within there own dna. The max difference in dna tobe within the group is less then 3% so our dna IS there dna.

Modifié par shingara, 07 août 2013 - 12:12 .

[Jukaga]

I like it David, but what motivates the Reapers in this version? What is the point of the harvesting cycles, is it still the technological singularity?

[Steelcan]

shingara wrote...

 No it didnt at all, its been proven that an explosion of diversity happened around 5000 years ago. www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/346687/description/Genetic_diversity_exploded_in_recent_millennia and the human dna is a shared dna across species. Humans have those genes and dna strands within there own dna. The max difference in dna tobe within the group is less then 3% so our dna IS there dna.

An explosion of diversity....after a bottleneck, 100,000 years ago.  You are talking about the past 5,000 years, I am talking significantly longer ago.

We have genes from other apes, and monkeys, and shrews, and fish, so what?  That is not what I am talking about.

[Steelcan]

Anyways, this is off topic. Feel free to make a thread about it and I'll happily talk there.

[shingara]

Steelcan wrote...

shingara wrote...

 No it didnt at all, its been proven that an explosion of diversity happened around 5000 years ago. www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/346687/description/Genetic_diversity_exploded_in_recent_millennia and the human dna is a shared dna across species. Humans have those genes and dna strands within there own dna. The max difference in dna tobe within the group is less then 3% so our dna IS there dna.

An explosion of diversity....after a bottleneck, 100,000 years ago.  You are talking about the past 5,000 years, I am talking significantly longer ago.

We have genes from other apes, and monkeys, and shrews, and fish, so what?  That is not what I am talking about.

 Humans only expanded out of africa 70,000 years ago, 5000 years ago saw the biggest dna diversty of all that time. Read the article i linked you. Please educate yourself. And the dna we share with those species is our dna. It is exactly what we are talking about. For that dna to create those specific species with the same dna as ours minus 3% in some cases shows exactly the diversity our dna holds when ordered to developed in specific ways.

 Edit, and its not off topic, one of the main points was how the human goo of dna couldnt create a proto reaper. the fact is with the correct techonology such an act could indeed be achieved. Through the same way clone technology is being examined and how test tube babys are created.

 if the technology ever existed with enough raw ingredients EG dna can be aquired, then with that technology and gene manipulation a clone or organic creature could be created from such dna. Today the tech is labeled Wetware technology. It is currently being employed to create a wetware computer. Through gene and dna modification a leachs dna has been used to create a wetware computer that can do simple arthimatic.

Modifié par shingara, 07 août 2013 - 12:28 .

[Steelcan]

shingara wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

shingara wrote...

 No it didnt at all, its been proven that an explosion of diversity happened around 5000 years ago. www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/346687/description/Genetic_diversity_exploded_in_recent_millennia and the human dna is a shared dna across species. Humans have those genes and dna strands within there own dna. The max difference in dna tobe within the group is less then 3% so our dna IS there dna.

An explosion of diversity....after a bottleneck, 100,000 years ago.  You are talking about the past 5,000 years, I am talking significantly longer ago.

We have genes from other apes, and monkeys, and shrews, and fish, so what?  That is not what I am talking about.

 Humans only expanded out of africa 70,000 years ago, 5000 years ago saw the biggest dna diversty of all that time. Read the article i linked you. Please educate yourself. And the dna we share with those species is our dna. It is exactly what we are talking about. For that dna to create those specific species with the same dna as ours minus 3% in some cases shows exactly the diversity our dna holds when ordered to developed in specific ways.

So the evidence of modern human in China from 100,000 years ago, Arabia 150,000 years ago, india 120,000 years ago......

And that DNA is not the kind of DNA that would be affected in a population bottleneck.

Again, off topic, make a thread

[David7204]

Jukaga wrote...

I like it David, but what motivates the Reapers in this version? What is the point of the harvesting cycles, is it still the technological singularity?

Well that's totally unrelated. This is just a motive for the collectors. Although I do have an idea for that, too. No technological singularity.

Modifié par David7204, 07 août 2013 - 12:26 .

[shingara]

Steelcan wrote...

shingara wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

shingara wrote...

 No it didnt at all, its been proven that an explosion of diversity happened around 5000 years ago. www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/346687/description/Genetic_diversity_exploded_in_recent_millennia and the human dna is a shared dna across species. Humans have those genes and dna strands within there own dna. The max difference in dna tobe within the group is less then 3% so our dna IS there dna.

An explosion of diversity....after a bottleneck, 100,000 years ago.  You are talking about the past 5,000 years, I am talking significantly longer ago.

We have genes from other apes, and monkeys, and shrews, and fish, so what?  That is not what I am talking about.

 Humans only expanded out of africa 70,000 years ago, 5000 years ago saw the biggest dna diversty of all that time. Read the article i linked you. Please educate yourself. And the dna we share with those species is our dna. It is exactly what we are talking about. For that dna to create those specific species with the same dna as ours minus 3% in some cases shows exactly the diversity our dna holds when ordered to developed in specific ways.

So the evidence of modern human in China from 100,000 years ago, Arabia 150,000 years ago, india 120,000 years ago......

And that DNA is not the kind of DNA that would be affected in a population bottleneck.

Again, off topic, make a thread

 Look up i added to the previous post showing not off topic. And for when the exodus occured or even if there was an exodux from africa at all ever happened is beyond both you and me but the scientific rule of thumb is ****** sapiens exodus from africa was around 70,000 years ago.

 Ps that dna is our dna. And show me this bottleneck because my article shows that tobe false.

Modifié par shingara, 07 août 2013 - 12:30 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Doesn't this contradict the events of mass effect revelation, where soveriegn was able to indoctrinate the head human researcher of the alliance's black ops AI development program and have him defect to the batarians?

[Steelcan]

If you are going to argue the existence of a human bottleneck event at all I will not waste my time with you. It has been studied extensively by people far more intelligent than me. I will link you articles detailing it, but I will not waste time trying to convince you of facts.

[Steelcan]

http://scholar.googl...ved=0CCgQgQMwAA

Knock yourself out

[shingara]

Steelcan wrote...

http://scholar.googl...ved=0CCgQgQMwAA

Knock yourself out

 That there is enviromental bottleneck to species not dna diversity.

[Han Shot First]

I actually quite like this an alternative plot to ME2.

Look up i added to the previous post showing not off topic. And for when the exodus occured or even if there was an exodux from africa at all ever happened is beyond both you and me but the scientific rule of thumb is ****** sapiens exodus from africa was around 70,000 years ago.

Ps that dna is our dna. And show me this bottleneck because my article shows that tobe false

Uh...Steelcan is on the money with this one.

Toba Catastrophe Theory is the idea that a population bottleneck in humanity's past, which is inferred from gene analysis, was caused by a supervolcano eruption 75,000 years ago on Lake Toba is what is now Indonesia. The Toba Catastrophe Theory was first proposed in 1998 by Stanley H. Ambrose of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. According to gene analysis, human genetic diversity is actually quite low in comparison to similar species, and all humans alive today are descended from a population of 1,000 - 10,000 breeding pairs that lived 50,000 - 150,000 years before the present. This is called a population bottleneck.


Wise Geek - Toba Catastrophe Theory

Modifié par Han Shot First, 07 août 2013 - 12:40 .

[shingara]

Han Shot First wrote...

I actually quite like this an alternative plot to ME2.

Look up i added to the previous post showing not off topic. And for when the exodus occured or even if there was an exodux from africa at all ever happened is beyond both you and me but the scientific rule of thumb is ****** sapiens exodus from africa was around 70,000 years ago.

Ps that dna is our dna. And show me this bottleneck because my article shows that tobe false

Uh...Steelcan is on the money with this one.

Wise Geek - Toba Catastrophe Theory

Science Daily - Toba catastrophe theory

 Dunno how to say this, but theory, theory, fact -----------------> www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/346687/description/Genetic_diversity_exploded_in_recent_millennia


Most of the genetic quirks people carry today popped up within the last 5,000 years or so, researchers report online November 28 in Nature. Human populations exploded from no more than a few million to 7 billion, thanks largely to the rise of agriculture.

Modifié par shingara, 07 août 2013 - 12:41 .

[Steelcan]

shingara wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

http://scholar.googl...ved=0CCgQgQMwAA

Knock yourself out

 That there is enviromental bottleneck to species not dna diversity.

DNA diversity is affected by interbreeding amoungst relatives, which is the result of an evolutionary bottleneck.

[GreyLycanTrope]

To be fair in the ME universe doesn't have a wide variation of genes per se just wider than the other space faring races. Human DNA diversity might just be consider greater compared to a galactic standard or something.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 07 août 2013 - 12:42 .

[Steelcan]

shingara wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I actually quite like this an alternative plot to ME2.

Look up i added to the previous post showing not off topic. And for when the exodus occured or even if there was an exodux from africa at all ever happened is beyond both you and me but the scientific rule of thumb is ****** sapiens exodus from africa was around 70,000 years ago.

Ps that dna is our dna. And show me this bottleneck because my article shows that tobe false

Uh...Steelcan is on the money with this one.

Wise Geek - Toba Catastrophe Theory

Science Daily - Toba catastrophe theory

 Dunno how to say this, but theory, theory, fact -----------------> www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/346687/description/Genetic_diversity_exploded_in_recent_millennia


Most of the genetic quirks people carry today popped up within the last 5,000 years or so, researchers report online November 28 in Nature. Human populations exploded from no more than a few million to 7 billion, thanks largely to the rise of agriculture.

Diversity may have risen in that time frame for humans, but even today humans have much less genetic diversity as a whole species than numerous other species do.

[Steelcan]

Greylycantrope wrote...

To be fair in the ME universe doesn't have a wide variation of genes per se just wider than the other space faring races. Human DNA diversity might just be consider greater compared to a galactic standard or something.

While possible for some species such as turians, salarians, etc... It is unlikely for krogan or asari.

[Han Shot First]

shingara wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I actually quite like this an alternative plot to ME2.

Look up i added to the previous post showing not off topic. And for when the exodus occured or even if there was an exodux from africa at all ever happened is beyond both you and me but the scientific rule of thumb is ****** sapiens exodus from africa was around 70,000 years ago.

Ps that dna is our dna. And show me this bottleneck because my article shows that tobe false

Uh...Steelcan is on the money with this one.

Wise Geek - Toba Catastrophe Theory

Science Daily - Toba catastrophe theory

 Dunno how to say this, but theory, theory fact -----------------> www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/346687/description/Genetic_diversity_exploded_in_recent_millennia

That article does not compare human genetic diversity to the genetic diversity of the rest of the animal kingdom. While we have become more genetically diverse over the millennia, we are less genetically diverse than many other species because of that population bottleneck.

Thus the whole concept of humans being the most genetically diverse space faring species is a bit silly, when we are not even close to being one of the most genetically diverse species on our own planet. In fact compared to the rest of the animal kingdom, we are not genetically diverse at all.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 07 août 2013 - 12:46 .

[shingara]

Steelcan wrote...

shingara wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

http://scholar.googl...ved=0CCgQgQMwAA

Knock yourself out

 That there is enviromental bottleneck to species not dna diversity.

DNA diversity is affected by interbreeding amoungst relatives, which is the result of an evolutionary bottleneck.

Interbreeding causes a lack of dna diversity, im not sure what that has todo with dna diversity itself as interbreeding is relativly rare within humans.  Most notible case of interbreeding is the doma people who have a severe lack of genetic diversity.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Steelcan wrote...
While possible for some species such as turians, salarians, etc... It is unlikely for krogan or asari.

Asari not so much, they do bring up a dependance on other species to widen their limited genepool.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 07 août 2013 - 12:47 .

[shingara]

Han Shot First wrote...

shingara wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I actually quite like this an alternative plot to ME2.

Look up i added to the previous post showing not off topic. And for when the exodus occured or even if there was an exodux from africa at all ever happened is beyond both you and me but the scientific rule of thumb is ****** sapiens exodus from africa was around 70,000 years ago.

Ps that dna is our dna. And show me this bottleneck because my article shows that tobe false

Uh...Steelcan is on the money with this one.

Wise Geek - Toba Catastrophe Theory

Science Daily - Toba catastrophe theory

 Dunno how to say this, but theory, theory fact -----------------> www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/346687/description/Genetic_diversity_exploded_in_recent_millennia

That article does not compare human genetic diversity to the genetic diversity of the rest of the animal kingdom. While we have become more genetically diverse over the millennia, we are less genetically diverse than many other species because of that population bottleneck.

Thus the whole concept of humans being the most genetically diverse space faring species is a bit silly, when we are not even close to being one of the most genetically diverse species on our own planet. In fact compared to the rest of the animal kingdom, we are not genetically diverse at all.

  I never said it did, that shows that the biggest dna diversity within humans happened within the last 5000 years. As to how we are diverse from other spacefaring species ?????? we can only state that upon the lore of mass effect, and within mass effect we are the most diverse dna species going.

Modifié par shingara, 07 août 2013 - 12:48 .

[Steelcan]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
While possible for some species such as turians, salarians, etc... It is unlikely for krogan or asari.

Asari not so much, they do bring up a dependance on other species to widen their limited genepool.

But doing so would greatly expand it, and such unions are considered very widespread. 

[Steelcan]

shingara wrote...


Interbreeding causes a lack of dna diversity, im not sure what that has todo with dna diversity itself as interbreeding is relativly rare within humans.  Most notible case of interbreeding is the doma people who have a severe lack of genetic diversity.

lol

but if the population were reduced to a few thousand individuals, confined to a geographically small area, the African Rift Valley, and that small population lasted for several thousand years, the results on the descendent's genetic make up would be very great indeed.

A similar event, even more extreme happened to cheetahs at roughly the same time.  Now most cheetahs are are at best 4th cousins.

[Han Shot First]

shingara wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

shingara wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I actually quite like this an alternative plot to ME2.

Look up i added to the previous post showing not off topic. And for when the exodus occured or even if there was an exodux from africa at all ever happened is beyond both you and me but the scientific rule of thumb is ****** sapiens exodus from africa was around 70,000 years ago.

Ps that dna is our dna. And show me this bottleneck because my article shows that tobe false

Uh...Steelcan is on the money with this one.

Wise Geek - Toba Catastrophe Theory

Science Daily - Toba catastrophe theory

 Dunno how to say this, but theory, theory fact -----------------> www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/346687/description/Genetic_diversity_exploded_in_recent_millennia

That article does not compare human genetic diversity to the genetic diversity of the rest of the animal kingdom. While we have become more genetically diverse over the millennia, we are less genetically diverse than many other species because of that population bottleneck.

Thus the whole concept of humans being the most genetically diverse space faring species is a bit silly, when we are not even close to being one of the most genetically diverse species on our own planet. In fact compared to the rest of the animal kingdom, we are not genetically diverse at all.

  I never said it did, that shows that the biggest dna diversity within humans happened within the last 5000 years. As to how we are diverse from other spacefaring species ?????? we can only state that upon the lore of mass effect, and within mass effect we are the most diverse dna species going.

Yes, but it is silly have the Reapers saying "your genetic diversity makes you special" when the humans are not genetically diverse at all. That supervolcano eruption left us an endangered species, hovering near extinction. Did every space faring species have a Toba in its past?