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[Fixers0]

I'd just cut them out them out entirely. And instead allocate the saved resources to a beter cause.

[Wolfva2]

PMC65 wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote...


And why can't the enemy ever surrender?  Ok, sure.  In ME3 Cerb troops were basically half-husks.  But the other games?  Just once I'd've liked to hear, "OK men, the enemy is coming!  I want snipers on the balcony!  Let's get some mechs to the east and...and...what was that?   It's SHEPARD?   WE SURRENDER!   DON"T SHOOT!   I WANT TO LIIIIIVE!!!!"  Let's be honest here; mercs fight for money.  You don't get paid if you're dead.  WHY would they take on Shep?  Hell, the only ones who ever beat him were the collectors and they had to blow up the Normandy to do it...and all dying did was ****** him off. 

in me1 there was plenty of characters that surrender or tell you they dont want trouble.  a good early example is when you raid chora's den you can gain the option to talk two kids out of guarding fist if you get to them before they realise what's going on.  ME2 is written differently and filled itself with idiot action movie villains in every quest. 

In ME1, there's also the two ERCS guards in the Synthetic Insights lab that will leave if you have enough persuasion points as well.

<grumble grumble>  ok ok, so I was wrong about that...at least in regards to ME1 :innocent:  Sheesh, ya'll act like you've never seen an irrational rant before! <LOL>

[PMC65]

Wolfva2 wrote...
<grumble grumble>  ok ok, so I was wrong about that...at least in regards to ME1 :innocent:  Sheesh, ya'll act like you've never seen an irrational rant before! <LOL>

That's okay. I am still finding new ways to play the first Mass Effect game.

I just learned (after 20+ playthroughs) that I can have Gianna Parasini and Administrator Anoleis kill each other. Say what?

Finally got around to reading my game guide and discovered a few things that I've never done.

[Wolfva2]

You can? Heh, first I've heard of THAT particular play branch.

[NeonFlux117]

Wolfva2 wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Well, harby and the reaper's don't really care about sheps history, only that he/she see's oily shadows, reapers sounds, and whispers in the dark.....

You know, standard dream stuff. Nothing out of place or anything.

Just regular PTSD and war fatigue dream. Yep. Cause shep so has PTSD and war fatigue. Shep is just terrified and scared to death about reapers. In fact shep can't cope. Why Shepard can barely fight the reapers. In fact, I think shepard is a shell of the shepard from the previous games. Shepards PTSD and war fatigue paralyzes him/her.Sheps depressed, edgy and out a shape and can't relate to his/her friends anymore. Shep feels couped up and shep's anxious and scared of the reapers. Shepard can't lead. Can't fight reapers anymore.

Oh wait.... Damn, Shep's none of those things.

So then, what are the dreams really saying?

I'm assuming you played on a console and not a PC.  If you play on a PC(and have a decent sound system I suppose), you can clearly hear the whispers.  They're your dead crewmembers, using their various catch phrases.  As ME3 progresses and you lose more crew, you hear more of their voices.  Those are the ONLY voices you hear.  There is no indoctrination.

I find it odd you think it's out of the normal for a person to dream of his enemies.  In the middle of a war.  With those enemies pressing down on him.  That is, if Shepard is even hearing the reaper sounds and it's not just part of the ambient sound track, there to set the mood for the player.

I get the distinct feeling you are completely clueless about PTSD.  I suppose you're just some uber masculine image of He Man perfection who never feels fear, who stoicly steps over the bodies of children while chewing on a fat stogie and tossing out one liners to show how tough you  are.  <shrug>  Must suck for the rest of us to not be you.

You're an idiot, but that's beside the fact. 

The real question is does Shepard have PTSD or War Fatigue? My answer is no. No Shepard does not have any residual or chronic symptoms of PTDS or war fatigue. Shepard just doesn't. He can't sleep because he's not falling alsleep he's obviously having waking dreams/nightmares- this is why he's in his clothes and clutching a data pad when he wakes. Also, the confused look of like "WTF, when did I fall asleep" type of look when he awakes. Shepard does not have PTSD- people with PTSD have these symptoms and they are prevelant in EVERY thing they do:

1: Instrussive memories of past traumatic events. If shepard had PTSD about the child and Earth, or about fighing the collectors or seeing thane die or Legion die, or whatever. Then Shepard would have Flashbacks of said events. But the dream is the SAME for EVERY Shepard. lol. Furthermore they would be DREAMS. Shepard is not dreaming people!!! He's at the very least, daydreaming or having waking nightmares or hallucinations. That's why Shepard is fully clothed when he awakes. This isn't rocket science here. 

2. Avoidance of traumatic events and emotional numbing. Avoid talking or thinking about traumatic events. Key word, avoiding. shepard does not avoid talking or thinking about Earth or the kid. In fact he tells Garrus about the kid. He constantly talks to everyone about Earth and what happend. Shepard is not avoiding it. Shepard is having no emotional numbing. Shepard can choose to continue romances and Shepard enjoys activites like Dancing and hangin out with his friends- citadel DLC. Shepard does not have problems relating to his friends. Shepard does not have memory problems. He remembers everything- except the rachni queen. And that's an interesting one, but I digress. And the next is a big one, Shepard does not have hopelessness about the future. In fact, like all brillant leaders Shepard brings people up and makes them feel hope. He never gives up. Paragon or renegade or inbetween, one of the universal characteristics of all Shepards is that they never give up and are always full of hope and never say never attitude- This is what makes them such a fantastic leader. Shep leads by example. Shepad does not have PTSD.

3. Severe anxiety or emotional arousal. Pretty self explanatory but stuff like Overhelming guilt or shame. Self destructive behavior. Depression. Felling couped up. Shepard does have some things in this section. Like trouble sleeping and seeing or hearing things that aren't there. But so does James Vega- hearing hums and stuff. 


In conclusion shepard, in my opinion doesn't have PTSD. He may have some light survivors guiltr and some anxiety. But Shepard is performing at such an incredibly high level. Ever wonder why Shep survives stuff. Cause he's so damn good. Seriously, some of it's luck and some of it's resources. But shepard is an incredible warrior. Even people like Wrex, Aria, Thane, hell even a BAMF prothean and many more are so impressed by shepard's combat abilites. Shepards just good at killing things. Couple that with incredible leadership abilities and to quote Legion 'Superior Code', Shepard is just special. He's about as impervious to war fatigue as you can get. 

Shepard does not have PTSD. And if that we're the goal of BioWare to show that shepard is just so emotinally crippled by the child and the invasion of Earth. And the dreams we're how they wanted to convey that to players. Then they failed. The "dreams" are something else.

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 08 août 2013 - 07:56 .

[Wolfva2]

Right. If you say so. I seem to recall at least one dream was in his bed. But, that doesn't matter because you don't want it to. And, I suppose, no one has EVER fallen asleep at their desk. Nah. Just doesn't happen.

It's nice to see there are only 2 symptoms of PTSD. All this time I thought it was a catch all phrase for a wide range of psychological symptoms, but no. Just 3. And, of course, your first one doesn't count because Shep isn't dreaming. Oh sure, he's dreaming. But that won't fit YOUR hypothesis, so we'll just discard facts that aren't conducive to what you want.

I'm no psychologist. But I am a student of human behavior; and after 26 yrs in the wonderful field of law enforcement I've seen my share of crap, and I know officers who've seen theres, plus some. The way Shep acts is the SAME way I felt after working an accident with a 12yr old dead girl, her mom screaming for her daughter, and the drunk drunk driver screaming about not feeling anything because of her severed spine. It's the SAME way a friend of mine felt after chasing a fleeing drug dealer who smashed into an oak tree, ejecting his 3yr old son through the windshield. The officer had to locate the boy's head and bag it with the body. So yeah, I guess some poeple might be affected by trauma in certain ways. But then again, none of our real life experiences matter because, hey! They don't fit YOUR theory.

[shingara]

I know you wanted to make your point clear and concise but thats a tad extreme on the details dont you think ?

[WolfyZA]

God some of you guys are STILL in paranoia. Your making it sound like EC was yet another Indoctrination inform of a DLC expansion!

I made peace with ME 3 a long time ago. Its just a poorly written end to a fantastic story that disappointed so many fans that I dont think most of them will come back next gen when "Next Effect"start the whole thing ALL over again.

Whats he bet that EA and BW will probably blame piracy or something stupid when"NEXT Effect" sales dont reach the same numbers ME 2 and 3 did.

BW better show something awesome either way to bring the fans Back AND IT BETTER BE BIG!!

[NeonFlux117]

Wolfva2 wrote...

Right. If you say so. I seem to recall at least one dream was in his bed. But, that doesn't matter because you don't want it to. And, I suppose, no one has EVER fallen asleep at their desk. Nah. Just doesn't happen.

It's nice to see there are only 2 symptoms of PTSD. All this time I thought it was a catch all phrase for a wide range of psychological symptoms, but no. Just 3. And, of course, your first one doesn't count because Shep isn't dreaming. Oh sure, he's dreaming. But that won't fit YOUR hypothesis, so we'll just discard facts that aren't conducive to what you want.

I'm no psychologist. But I am a student of human behavior; and after 26 yrs in the wonderful field of law enforcement I've seen my share of crap, and I know officers who've seen theres, plus some. The way Shep acts is the SAME way I felt after working an accident with a 12yr old dead girl, her mom screaming for her daughter, and the drunk drunk driver screaming about not feeling anything because of her severed spine. It's the SAME way a friend of mine felt after chasing a fleeing drug dealer who smashed into an oak tree, ejecting his 3yr old son through the windshield. The officer had to locate the boy's head and bag it with the body. So yeah, I guess some poeple might be affected by trauma in certain ways. But then again, none of our real life experiences matter because, hey! They don't fit YOUR theory.

Nah bro, I broke them into 3 subsets with range of 10 to 17 symptoms both residule and immediate, here's a good link http://www.mayoclini...ECTION=symptoms  . Since we're talking about real world experience I am getting my masters in psychology, I did an internship at a VA hospital for 6 months, and in that time speaking and counseling Vets nothing was in any way close to what Shepard is seeing. He doesn't have PTSD.  90 percent of the time if they dreamed about anything it was of the events. That's why they're called flashbacks and night terrors. They dream of the event. If they even dream at all. But again, it's funny that people still think they're 'dreams' and think it's a 'kid', lol. Within the lore of the series and what we know about indoctrination when talking to the rachni queen in ME1. I think it's very compelling, to at the very least, think it's somewhat plausable that the shepard is going through long term, slow, methodical indoctination. 

After all. If the 'catalyst' takes the PHYSICAL form of the child at the end. And the only person who see's the child is Shepard. Not anderson. Not even anyone at the evac scene in the begining of the game- they don't acknowledge or help the ONLY child, durring a catastrophic horrible invasion and extinction event??? Not one person takes notice of the child. ONLY Shepard see's the kid. Then the same child is the focal point of Shepards 'dreams'... Then the 'catalyst' takes form of the child, that only shepard see's, that's in shepards 'dreams' and thoughts. So, we know about what and who the catalyst is from Leviathan DLC. The catalyst is the program that the leviathan created in order to solve the problem of organics and synthetics. Well it went off and reaped up the leviathans, lol. It's really the first reaper ( Harby is technically, the first "reaper" in physical cuddle fish form) but Leviathan controls the reapers and they are his solution for the "harvest". 

Now back to the ending. If the catalyst takes the form as the child from shepards dreams, and the catayst is the reaper god/creator/boss. Is it plausible that the reapers have access to shep's mind?

There.Is.Only.The.Harvest.