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[KaiserShep]

Mcfly616 wrote...

All of the evidence is implicit, right there in how the dialogue and quests are written. Why would the most unlikely alliance in the galaxy (Geth/Quarians) not even be even a minor footnote in the dialogue with the Catalyst? It turns out to be as important as Captain Bailey's boot size (which is to say, not important at all). This major event that just happened on Rannoch about organics and synthetics is suddenly not important to the one character who has everything invested in the subject of organics and synthetics. That's not the kind of mistake you intentionally ignore. It shows a complete lack of communication.

The Catalyst tells you straight up: the peace won't last. What more do you want it to say about the matter?

The Catalyst doesn't really need to say more, because that statement is completely meaningless. It might as well tell Shepard that he/she will file for bankruptcy next year. I won't place value on pseudo-prophesy. Taking this statement seriously would mean I have to dismiss the worth of any peace. No peace ever matters.......because it said so. The writers dropped the ball by making its assertions invalid by proving the opposite in the plot. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 août 2013 - 08:44 .

[Mcfly616]

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 You misinterprit what i am saying, No one is assuming one person wrote everything. It doesnt matter how many writers are on a game there is no matter which way you twizzle it 1 main person who decides said story elements and what goes where or why. Its also public knowledge that they did change the game because of the leaks, there is no assumption in that nor speculation.

have you even seen it? go ahead. Go take a look at what the leaked scripts ending was. There's basically no difference.

Hell, its also "public knowledge" that Javik was originally the Catalyst too, right? But nope, its not even true. He was never ever the Catalyst. Yet, around these parts you'll see such lies are stated as if they're facts.

 And pixies and rainbows, and cats in black ribbons. So you see myth and facts and twist it to believe nothing. Thats cool. Each to there own i suppose.

I actually did the exact opposite. I separated what's myth and what's fact. Either way, I don't entertain those who speak in nonsensical riddles. You should put down what you're smoking....or pass it....or sell it. Because once again, you're not making any sense at all, mate...

 For what its worth its not me who looks like there smoking something. Its a case especialy how you state it you seperate what is myth and what is fact based upon what you believe. Does say alot about you that you think what i wrote is a riddle is infact from mary poppins

Mary Poppins? That's quite telling. Good luck with that Hahahahahahaha


Anyways. Yes, I indeed separated the two. You say they changed the ending after the script leaked. When in fact they didn't change much at all. You still meet the Catalyst ("Guardian") who gives you your choices. Fact. Then I used an example of how many things are stated as facts here on the BSN, when they are anything but....such as - Myth: many on the BSN say Javik used to be the Catalyst in the Original Script. Fact: No he was never ever Catalyst.

[Mcfly616]

KaiserShep wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

All of the evidence is implicit, right there in how the dialogue and quests are written. Why would the most unlikely alliance in the galaxy (Geth/Quarians) not even be even a minor footnote in the dialogue with the Catalyst? It turns out to be as important as Captain Bailey's boot size (which is to say, not important at all). This major event that just happened on Rannoch about organics and synthetics is suddenly not important to the one character who has everything invested in the subject of organics and synthetics. That's not the kind of mistake you intentionally ignore. It shows a complete lack of communication.

The Catalyst tells you straight up: the peace won't last. What more do you want it to say about the matter?

The Catalyst doesn't really need to say more, because that statement is completely meaningless. It might as well tell Shepard that he/she will file for bankruptcy next year. I won't place value on pseudo-prophesy. Taking this statement seriously would mean I have to dismiss the worth of any peace. No peace ever matters.......because it said so. 

I don't think the observation of an occurence that has happened over and over and over, for more than a billion years (before the Catalyst ever existed), counts as pseudo-prophecy. Sorry.

Modifié par Mcfly616, 10 août 2013 - 08:47 .

[shingara]

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 You misinterprit what i am saying, No one is assuming one person wrote everything. It doesnt matter how many writers are on a game there is no matter which way you twizzle it 1 main person who decides said story elements and what goes where or why. Its also public knowledge that they did change the game because of the leaks, there is no assumption in that nor speculation.

have you even seen it? go ahead. Go take a look at what the leaked scripts ending was. There's basically no difference.

Hell, its also "public knowledge" that Javik was originally the Catalyst too, right? But nope, its not even true. He was never ever the Catalyst. Yet, around these parts you'll see such lies are stated as if they're facts.

 And pixies and rainbows, and cats in black ribbons. So you see myth and facts and twist it to believe nothing. Thats cool. Each to there own i suppose.

I actually did the exact opposite. I separated what's myth and what's fact. Either way, I don't entertain those who speak in nonsensical riddles. You should put down what you're smoking....or pass it....or sell it. Because once again, you're not making any sense at all, mate...

 For what its worth its not me who looks like there smoking something. Its a case especialy how you state it you seperate what is myth and what is fact based upon what you believe. Does say alot about you that you think what i wrote is a riddle is infact from mary poppins

Mary Poppins? That's quite telling. Good luck with that Hahahahahahaha


Anyways. Yes, I indeed separated the two. You say they changed the ending after the script leaked. When in fact they didn't change much at all. You still meet the Catalyst ("Guardian") who gives you your choices. Fact. Then I used an example of how many things are stated as facts here on the BSN, when they are anything but....such as - Myth: many on the BSN say Javik used to be the Catalyst in the Original Script. Fact: No he was never ever Catalyst.

 Would love to know how remembering a film from when i was a kid is quite telling, maybe you could expand upon that, as for what they changed, until you can show me the full script prior and post leak we cant prove what was changed, but hey fill your boots showing us.

 Ow and please please please stop confusing whats written on the BSN and what bioware state to the press as the same thing.

[KaiserShep]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I don't think the observation of an occurence that has happened over and over and over, for more than a billion years (before the Catalyst ever existed), counts as pseudo-prophecy. Sorry.

Indeed it can. It doesn't matter how much it's observed. It doesn't matter how old it is. All of that is disproven the moment peace is made between the Quarians and geth. The writers created a massive discrepancy between what the protagonist experiences and what the catalyst insists upon. Why should I or anyone with a lick of sense believe in this prediction?

Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 août 2013 - 08:54 .

[Mcfly616]

shingara wrote...

 Ow and please please please stop confusing whats written on the BSN and what bioware state to the press as the same thing.

you know, I can't say I'm surprised by you being completely lost. I never confused anything written on the BSN with what Bioware has publicly stated. I'm aware the script was leaked. I'm aware that Bioware publicly stated that it was an old version of the script, and that it has since changed. The fact of the matter is: it didn't really change. Plain and simple lol what dont you get? There's nothing "confusing" about that.

[shingara]

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 Ow and please please please stop confusing whats written on the BSN and what bioware state to the press as the same thing.

you know, I can't say I'm surprised by you being completely lost. I never confused anything written on the BSN with what Bioware has publicly stated. I'm aware the script was leaked. I'm aware that Bioware publicly stated that it was an old version of the script, and that it has since changed. The fact of the matter is: it didn't really change. Plain and simple lol what dont you get? There's nothing "confusing" about that.

 yup she is indoctrinated. forgetful too, not long since she was using evidence that the BSN said javik was the catalyst but it wasnt the case and thus using that as proof everything else is myth. Funny that. Mind you she hasnt been very correct in this topic as a whole so shocked, not alot.

Modifié par shingara, 10 août 2013 - 08:58 .

[Mcfly616]

KaiserShep wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I don't think the observation of an occurence that has happened over and over and over, for more than a billion years (before the Catalyst ever existed), counts as pseudo-prophecy. Sorry.

Indeed it can. It doesn't matter how much it's observed. It doesn't matter how old it is. All of that is disproven the moment peace is made between the Quarians and geth. The writers created a massive discrepancy between what the protagonist experiences and what the catalyst insists upon. Why should I or anyone with a lick of sense believe in this prediction?

how does an instance of Peace in any way disprove that conflict will always arise? How is it a prediction if its been happening since the beginning of time? No, its a foregone conclusion. That's what "inevitable" is....

[KaiserShep]

No. The prediction is that synthetics will rise up, rebel and wipe out their creators. Peace on Rannoch proves that they can learn to coexist. Do you even wonder why there is absolutely no way to even mention this to the catalyst? The problem is that the Catalyst's word is being taken as gospel with absolutely nothing to back it up, whereas the player gets to make peace. This is a clear case of the writers telling without showing to make a claim, then showing that the exact opposite of that claim is possible. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 août 2013 - 09:07 .

[Mcfly616]

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 Ow and please please please stop confusing whats written on the BSN and what bioware state to the press as the same thing.

you know, I can't say I'm surprised by you being completely lost. I never confused anything written on the BSN with what Bioware has publicly stated. I'm aware the script was leaked. I'm aware that Bioware publicly stated that it was an old version of the script, and that it has since changed. The fact of the matter is: it didn't really change. Plain and simple lol what dont you get? There's nothing "confusing" about that.

 yup she is indoctrinated. forgetful too, not long since she was using evidence that the BSN said javik was the catalyst but it wasnt the case and thus using that as proof everything else is myth. Funny that. Mind you she hasnt been very correct in this topic as a whole so shocked, not alot.

Hahaha Wowwwwwww.

Umm actually, StreetMagic stated that a single egostistical writer shut everyone out and wrote the ending themself, and he stated it as if it were a fact. When it is nothing more than pure speculation.

My example of the BSN stating Javik was originally the Catalyst, as if it was a fact......


You see that? That's two myths that were stated as facts here on the BSN. Now, run along and learn reading comprehension

[shingara]

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 Ow and please please please stop confusing whats written on the BSN and what bioware state to the press as the same thing.

you know, I can't say I'm surprised by you being completely lost. I never confused anything written on the BSN with what Bioware has publicly stated. I'm aware the script was leaked. I'm aware that Bioware publicly stated that it was an old version of the script, and that it has since changed. The fact of the matter is: it didn't really change. Plain and simple lol what dont you get? There's nothing "confusing" about that.

 yup she is indoctrinated. forgetful too, not long since she was using evidence that the BSN said javik was the catalyst but it wasnt the case and thus using that as proof everything else is myth. Funny that. Mind you she hasnt been very correct in this topic as a whole so shocked, not alot.

Hahaha Wowwwwwww.

Umm actually, StreetMagic stated that a single egostistical writer shut everyone out and wrote the ending themself, and he stated it as if it were a fact. When it is nothing more than pure speculation.

My example of the BSN stating Javik was originally the Catalyst, as if it was a fact......


You see that? That's two myths that were stated as facts here on the BSN. Now, run along and learn reading comprehension

 Im just wondering do you have a direct line to the catalyst or were you a lover of TIM ??

 As for the ha ha ha wow, arnt you the one who tried to have a go on some mental level because at one point in time i was a child who enjoyed childrens films. As for street he actualy refined his answer for you as you were unable to understand where they were coming from so id start looking in a mirror for reading comprehension.

 And as Kaiser has been trying to explain to you but is beyond your comprehension is that synthetics and there creators dont always destroy each other, maybe you should listen to them.

Modifié par shingara, 10 août 2013 - 09:10 .

[Mcfly616]

KaiserShep wrote...

No. The prediction is that synthetics will rise up, rebel and wipe out their creators.

and how is this a "prediction" if this is exactly what happened countless times before the Catalyst was finally created to stop it?

Peace on Rannoch proves that they can learn to coexist. Do you even wonder why there is absolutely no way to even mention this to the catalyst?

a temporary peace in order to ensure they both don't go extinct, some how proves they can coexist into the future? You must be an optimist.

[KaiserShep]

Mcfly616 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

No. The prediction is that synthetics will rise up, rebel and wipe out their creators.

and how is this a "prediction" if this is exactly what happened countless times before the Catalyst was finally created to stop it?

Peace on Rannoch proves that they can learn to coexist. Do you even wonder why there is absolutely no way to even mention this to the catalyst?

a temporary peace in order to ensure they both don't go extinct, some how proves they can coexist into the future? You must be an optimist.

You seem to believe that future events can be determined 100% based on a pattern in history. Your belief is misguided. It doesn't matter what you observed in the past. Anything you insist will happen in the future is not a fact; it's only a prediction. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 août 2013 - 09:17 .

[dreamgazer]

No, don't mind me. Carry on.

[Mcfly616]

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 Ow and please please please stop confusing whats written on the BSN and what bioware state to the press as the same thing.

you know, I can't say I'm surprised by you being completely lost. I never confused anything written on the BSN with what Bioware has publicly stated. I'm aware the script was leaked. I'm aware that Bioware publicly stated that it was an old version of the script, and that it has since changed. The fact of the matter is: it didn't really change. Plain and simple lol what dont you get? There's nothing "confusing" about that.

 yup she is indoctrinated. forgetful too, not long since she was using evidence that the BSN said javik was the catalyst but it wasnt the case and thus using that as proof everything else is myth. Funny that. Mind you she hasnt been very correct in this topic as a whole so shocked, not alot.

Hahaha Wowwwwwww.

Umm actually, StreetMagic stated that a single egostistical writer shut everyone out and wrote the ending themself, and he stated it as if it were a fact. When it is nothing more than pure speculation.

My example of the BSN stating Javik was originally the Catalyst, as if it was a fact......


You see that? That's two myths that were stated as facts here on the BSN. Now, run along and learn reading comprehension

 Im just wondering do you have a direct line to the catalyst or were you a lover of TIM ??

 As for the ha ha ha wow, arnt you the one who tried to have a go on some mental level because at one point in time i was a child who enjoyed childrens films. As for street he actualy refined his answer for you as you were unable to understand where they were coming from so id start looking in a mirror for reading comprehension.

 And as Kaiser has been trying to explain to you but is beyond your comprehension is that synthetics and there creators dont always destroy each other, maybe you should listen to them.

really? I'm not gay....so I wouldn't go for TIM. Yes, I did have a go at a grown adult quoting Children's Movies to me....

I'm aware Street has since refined what he said. Which is good, because it needed refining if he didnt want to construe what he originally said as a stated fact. Because that's precisely what his original post did. It stated something as if it were a fact. It's not my fault if he needed to refine it due to the fact he didn't mean it in such a way.



I think its beyond your comprehension that you don't have a lick of proof that synthetics and their creators don't always destroy eachother. Maybe you should get a bigger sample size...

[Mcfly616]

KaiserShep wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

No. The prediction is that synthetics will rise up, rebel and wipe out their creators.

and how is this a "prediction" if this is exactly what happened countless times before the Catalyst was finally created to stop it?

Peace on Rannoch proves that they can learn to coexist. Do you even wonder why there is absolutely no way to even mention this to the catalyst?

a temporary peace in order to ensure they both don't go extinct, some how proves they can coexist into the future? You must be an optimist.

You seem to believe that future events can be determined 100% based on a pattern in history. Your belief is misguided. It doesn't matter what you observed in the past. Anything you insist will happen in the future is not a fact; it's only a prediction. 

in a fictional universe? Absolutely. Countless writers have created such laws within their own fictional universes since the dawn of the sci fi genre. There are absolutes. Until Shepard breaks the cycle or Synthesis is achieved by other means, the inevitable conflict will continue to occur.

[chemiclord]

KaiserShep wrote...

No. The prediction is that synthetics will rise up, rebel and wipe out their creators. Peace on Rannoch proves that they can learn to coexist. Do you even wonder why there is absolutely no way to even mention this to the catalyst? The problem is that the Catalyst's word is being taken as gospel with absolutely nothing to back it up, whereas the player gets to make peace. This is a clear case of the writers telling without showing to make a claim, then showing that the exact opposite of that claim is possible. 

The problem with this argument is that you are NOT arguing mutually exclusive points.

Picture a light switch, it is currently flipped to "ON."  You say, "The light switch is ON."  Another person says, "The light switch will eventually be OFF."  They are both logically correct, and are not in conflict.  The chance that the light switch will always be on is so low that it is a perfectly acceptable assumption to say that at some point it will be off.

It's very similar here.  The Catalyst never claims (not even in the original version) that peaceful existance between synthetic and organic life is impossible.  It says that war is inevitable, and that the consequences of that war are too high to let play out, based on unspecified occurences in the past.

Now where the Catalyst's argument would apparently stumble is that it obviously does NOT have proof of its doomsday scenario... because proof of that scenario would mean there would be no Shepard to pose that proof to.  However, it is NOT outside the realm of the reasonable for the Leviathans or the Catalyst to INFER that doomsday scenario based on what they had experienced.  After all, waiting for that proof to happen before taking action would kinda defeat the point of taking action.

[KaiserShep]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think its beyond your comprehension that you don't have a lick of proof that synthetics and their creators don't always destroy eachother. Maybe you should get a bigger sample size...

EDI.

[shingara]

Mcfly616 wrote..
really? I'm not gay....so I wouldn't go for TIM. Yes, I did have a go at a grown adult quoting Children's Movies to me....

  So its a line to the catalyst, cool and so you admit to trying tobe a bully whilst online, explains alot.

Mcfly616 wrote..
I'm aware Street has since refined what he said. Which is good, because it needed refining if he didnt want to construe what he originally said as a stated fact. Because that's precisely what his original post did. It stated something as if it were a fact. It's not my fault if he needed to refine it due to the fact he didn't mean it in such a way.

 So why state what street means prior to what they meant if you now understand what they mean, that is ofcourse unless you dont actualy use the relevante information but the information that suits you, says even more about you.

Mcfly616 wrote..
I think its beyond your comprehension that you don't have a lick of proof that synthetics and their creators don't always destroy eachother. Maybe you should get a bigger sample size...

 Sorry but the only thing thats beyond comprehension is that nothing is written in stone when refering to the future. And this is where your comprehension fails. You seem tobe under the illusion that whats has been must always come to pass again.

 As for proof, i dunno if i should laugh but your actualy stating what you say as fact as if your some kind of oracle. Again this says more about you. As for sample size, the metacon wars, the geth, edi, the Zha'til.

Modifié par shingara, 10 août 2013 - 09:33 .

[TheProtheans]

KaiserShep wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think its beyond your comprehension that you don't have a lick of proof that synthetics and their creators don't always destroy eachother. Maybe you should get a bigger sample size...

EDI.

And evidently the Catalyst and the Reapers he created.

[CynicalShep]

Well, humanity has proved time and time again that it will start wars and commit atrocities against each other. Big countries fight each other for the right to dominate smaller countries, leaders go on power trips, new weapons are constantly being designed and used. We're on a downward spiral here and will eventually self-destroy. Why don't we find ourselves a race of big cuttlefish to kill every human on Earth and later kill the dolphins, apes or whatever race develops faster? Why prolongue the inevitable, right? Or maybe, just maybe, the mighty leviathans were lousy programmers and made a buggy version of Clippit who saw a couple of wars and decided to start a homiciding cycle. Leviathans, who were unopposed and supreme leaders of the galaxy were the first race to be harvested. Wonder why, since no race of synthetics was threatening their very existence. And how did the catalyst defeat them anyways?

[Mcfly616]

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote..
really? I'm not gay....so I wouldn't go for TIM. Yes, I did have a go at a grown adult quoting Children's Movies to me....

  So its a line to the catalyst, cool and so you admit to trying tobe a bully whilst online, explains alot.

Mcfly616 wrote..
I'm aware Street has since refined what he said. Which is good, because it needed refining if he didnt want to construe what he originally said as a stated fact. Because that's precisely what his original post did. It stated something as if it were a fact. It's not my fault if he needed to refine it due to the fact he didn't mean it in such a way.

 So why state what street means prior to what they meant if you now understand what they mean, that is ofcourse unless you dont actualy use the relevante information but the information that suits you, says even more about you.

Mcfly616 wrote..
I think its beyond your comprehension that you don't have a lick of proof that synthetics and their creators don't always destroy eachother. Maybe you should get a bigger sample size...

 Sorry but the only thing thats beyond comprehension is that nothing is written in stone when refering to the future. And this is where your comprehension fails. You seem tobe under the illusion that whats has been must always come to pass again.

 As for proof, i dunno if i should laugh but your actualy stating what you say as fact as if your some kind of oracle. Again this says more about you. As for sample size, the metacon wars, the geth, edi, the Zha'til.

1. Obviously you're a little bit on the sensitive side if you find me to be a "bully" when all I did was laugh at the fact you're quoting children's movies.

2. I made my point before he refined it. The point just had to keep getting reiterated because you were confused.

3. Nice, you just listed a number of instances that contribute to the Catalysts assertations....not yours. Good one. As for EDI. She's a single robot. As I said, get a bigger sample size.....and try to make sure it proves your point and not the Catalysts.

[KaiserShep]

Pray tell, how big would this sample size have to be?