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[shingara]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Despite what you may think, they are not different. There is no reason that a ship cannot use the same forces that it uses to create artificial gravity to defend or attack.  And electromagnet can both create AND manipulate an electrical field.  Manipulation is what the biotics do with their field to cause there power.

Also, you are wrong about the Asari being different because of genetic engineering, Javik only stats they gave them genetic guidance, and that could be many things (especially sense Javik is a soldier and not a scientist).  Eezo was probably involved however, as the Asari home planet is very rich in eezo, which makes you wonder why the reapers didn't look there.  Also, the Asari specilize in being able to take genes from other races and incorporate them into there own, a technique the Reapers should have been heavily interested in if trying to figure out how to give themselves biotics.

  Mass effect field engineering is an actual real theory with basis in fact. In basic terms it is antimatter engineering. Wierd i know but thats the case, its like star trek and how nearly everything in start trek is theoretically correct just not obtained yet. But thats by the by.

 As for electro magnets, they arnt actualy that refined within how they alter magnetic fields. Regulation of voltage can enlarge and reduce the strength of a magnetic field, thermodynamics come further into this so ill let that drop.

 And the reapers dont use biotics or there mass effect fields to shoot stuff, they use huga ass big red lazers. And javik states it took them along time to bionetically engineer the biotics in asari. He says it on the prothean head statue second on the right hand side of the temple.

 And you never see reaper kids do you, so that shows that no matter how powerful they are, due to there organic/synthetic make up means they are for all intense purposes impotent. Probably due to the fact that they are dead organic material suspended by nanides to hold them together. Who knows but reproduction for them is only attained by harvesting species to add to there numbers. Who knows they may just not know how todo it.

  Maybe the biotics being used by sentient organics is on another level created through specific neural pathways that the reaper forms can no longer form due to there signal or how reaper brains are constructed, as seen by the brain from ME2 collector base.

 And again im not saying this as a storyline, i have one of those in my sig. Ive not sat down and thought of the ins and outs and the flaws in detail to refine the idea.

Modifié par shingara, 11 août 2013 - 01:39 .

[Shaigunjoe]

[quote]shingara wrote...

  Mass effect field engineering is an actual real theory with basis in fact. In basic terms it is antimatter engineering. Wierd i know but thats the case, its like star trek and how nearly everything in start trek is theoretically correct just not obtained yet. But thats by the by.

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No, mass effect fields are nothing like antimater in form.  We can actually create antimatter for one thing.  There is a lot of pie in the sky talk about how to manipulate mass to play with gravity, and there is a real lack of understanding on how gravity works, but we are not even close.

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 As for electro magnets, they arnt actualy that refined within how they alter magnetic fields. Regulation of voltage can enlarge and reduce the strength of a magnetic field, thermodynamics come further into this so ill let that drop.
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Yes the are.  They create a magnetic field ortogonal to the direction of current flow.  So it isn't refined for one, but you put three together  which are mutually orthogonal and you have some reasonable control over the magnetic field.  There is also a balancing effect where any magnetic field would induce a current in a wire, and is oddly absent in mass effect fields as that would cause a crap storm of problems.  Thermodynmics only com into play when you start talking about superconductors and the efficiency of the magnet in general, which we were not.

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 And the reapers dont use biotics or there mass effect fields to shoot stuff, they use huga ass big red lazers. And javik states it took them along time to bionetically engineer the biotics in asari. He says it on the prothean head statue second on the right hand side of the temple.
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No, but I don't think its becuase they don't need to, not because they can't.  Again, even the small guns operate on mass effect fields, and a biotic doesn't need to operate the gun for it to work.  So if a machine can already do that sort of thing, no need for the reapers to be jealous.

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 And you never see reaper kids do you, so that shows that no matter how powerful they are, due to there organic/synthetic make up means they are for all intense purposes impotent. Probably due to the fact that they are dead organic material suspended by nanides to hold them together. Who knows but reproduction for them is only attained by harvesting species to add to there numbers. Who knows they may just not know how todo it.
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Not sure how this is releavent.

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 Maybe the biotics being used by sentient organics is on another level created through specific neural pathways that the reaper forms can no longer form due to there signal or how reaper brains are constructed, as seen by the brain from ME2 collector base.
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Not sure how it being on 'another level' would matter, they are still just creating ME fields, there isn't anything special about them.

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 And again im not saying this as a storyline, i have one of those in my sig. Ive not sat down and thought of the ins and outs and the flaws in detail to refine the idea.

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Oh I know, we are just having fun, it might not seem that way because you are just suggesting things and I am just arguing why it can't be, the only reason I am avoiding giving my thoughts on how some of those alternate plots could have worked out is because it would be just too much typing.

Modifié par Shaigunjoe, 11 août 2013 - 02:22 .

[shingara]

I can see where your going with electromagnetics and your partially correct, magnetic feilds can be manipulated by interaction of extra elctromagnetic fields. And thermodynamics comes into play for all electrodynamics, the actual charge creates heat, the hotter the magnet the weaker the field as the energy is being converted into heat and not fields. now we come into lenzs law, where fields interact, fields can combine aswell as work against each other to attract instead of repulse each other.

As for the mass effect fields and anti matter. The theory is sound, and its not the antimatter itself, its that anti matter is basic laymens terms for ezoo, an element that allows for such actions tobe attained. Within the realms of reality anti matter actualy covers this through gravitons.

In concern to the reapers, if they could commit reave on the scale and power pound for pound as a normal organic they could improve there battle prowess hundreds or thousands fold, the use of there lasers are clumsy at best, they have to reveal there weak point, the point at which the organics take use of to destroy the reapers.

With the children it in concern to asari, they can have children based upon a melding of dna and brainwaves, the fact reapers cannot have children and could be lacking these brainwaves stops them from using the asari as such within a reaper construct to attain biotic powers.

Modifié par shingara, 11 août 2013 - 02:37 .

[TheKingg]

McFly man... Come on, step ya game up. How do you know that previous cycles proved the inevitable conflict between organics and synthetics? The reapers were ready to destroy this current cycle with synthetic organic peace.. Maybe he only saw it a couple times and then concluded it would happen every time. Show me his what his sample size is. How many cycles did he wait for the conflict to reach the point where it was assured synthetics would wipe out organics?

Modifié par TheKingg, 11 août 2013 - 07:50 .

[KaiserShep]

It's not the inevitability of conflict that's a concern to me, but rather the inevitability of complete annihilation as a result, which I maintain is bunk. After all, my Shep gave the Rachni a chance, and cured the genophage, effectively empowering two hazardous species with very dark pasts. They are more likely to be a concern than any "unborn" synthetics, and are just as able to wipe out entire species. I'd say the risk is negligible by comparison.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 11 août 2013 - 08:08 .

[Shaigunjoe]

shingara wrote...

I can see where your going with electromagnetics and your partially correct, magnetic feilds can be manipulated by interaction of extra elctromagnetic fields. And thermodynamics comes into play for all electrodynamics, the actual charge creates heat, the hotter the magnet the weaker the field as the energy is being converted into heat and not fields. now we come into lenzs law, where fields interact, fields can combine aswell as work against each other to attract instead of repulse each other.

Which is what I said, super conductors AND the efficiency of the magnet (which is what you were talking about)

As for the mass effect fields and anti matter. The theory is sound, and its not the antimatter itself, its that anti matter is basic laymens terms for ezoo, an element that allows for such actions tobe attained. Within the realms of reality anti matter actualy covers this through gravitons.

No, not in the least, antimatter is not basic laymens term for Eezo, not even close.  Eezo doesn't obliterate matter when it comes into contact with it for one thing.  It is also an element for another, where as antimatter is founded on particle principles.  Eezo has an atomic number of 0, so it has little to do with antimatter.

In concern to the reapers, if they could commit reave on the scale and power pound for pound as a normal organic they could improve there battle prowess hundreds or thousands fold, the use of there lasers are clumsy at best, they have to reveal there weak point, the point at which the organics take use of to destroy the reapers.

Ummm...they CAN commit....reave....orders of magnitude greater than 'pound for pound' of a normal organic.

With the children it in concern to asari, they can have children based upon a melding of dna and brainwaves, the fact reapers cannot have children and could be lacking these brainwaves stops them from using the asari as such within a reaper construct to attain biotic powers.

I wouldn't buy it, I doubt think reapers not being able to have children would not effect their decision not to go with the asari, as all the other species also have children.  Same thing with the brainwaves.

Modifié par Shaigunjoe, 11 août 2013 - 02:03 .

[hpjay]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

 Eezo has an atomic number of 0, so it has little to do with antimatter. 

 

Please tell me they didn't do that.  [Checks the wiki].  Oh my <insert deity here> they did.  

I always imagined that Eezo was a heavy element somewhere beyond atomic number 118 in a hypothetical island of stability in the periodic chart.  See http://en.wikipedia....nd_of_stability

You see, an element is an atom, or a substance composed of one kind of atom,.  A partical with an atomic number of zero has no protons and is, by definition, not an atom, and can't be an element.   D'oh.  

Bioware really needs to hire some sort of science advisor if they want to continue to try to do any sort of credible science fiction. 

[TheProtheans]

hpjay wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

 Eezo has an atomic number of 0, so it has little to do with antimatter. 

 

Please tell me they didn't do that.  [Checks the wiki].  Oh my <insert deity here> they did.  

I always imagined that Eezo was a heavy element somewhere beyond atomic number 118 in a hypothetical island of stability in the periodic chart.  See http://en.wikipedia....nd_of_stability

You see, an element is an atom, or a substance composed of one kind of atom,.  A partical with an atomic number of zero has no protons and is, by definition, not an atom, and can't be an element.   D'oh.  

Bioware really needs to hire some sort of science advisor if they want to continue to try to do any sort of credible science fiction. 

That's probably why they call it element zero, literally. 
And really it's the future, deal with it b**h.

[hpjay]

TheProtheans wrote...

hpjay wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

 Eezo has an atomic number of 0, so it has little to do with antimatter. 

 

Please tell me they didn't do that.  [Checks the wiki].  Oh my <insert deity here> they did.  

I always imagined that Eezo was a heavy element somewhere beyond atomic number 118 in a hypothetical island of stability in the periodic chart.  See http://en.wikipedia....nd_of_stability

You see, an element is an atom, or a substance composed of one kind of atom,.  A partical with an atomic number of zero has no protons and is, by definition, not an atom, and can't be an element.   D'oh.  

Bioware really needs to hire some sort of science advisor if they want to continue to try to do any sort of credible science fiction. 

That's probably why they call it element zero, literally. 
And really it's the future, deal with it b**h.

 

Yeah, I didn't catch the literal interpretation of the Element Zero name at first cause it was such mind numbingly bad science...  my bad.   Of course, the way they butchered Evolutionary theory (see Apex of Evolution, Pure Krogan)  I guess it should come as no suprise that chemistry and physics get a similarly short shrift.    I'm just stuck wondering what's at the nucleus of an Element Zero atom and what holds the electrons in orbit around that nucleus.

I can suspend disbelief for things that are fantastic, less so for things that are just plain wrong.  

[AlanC9]

hpjay wrote...

You see, an element is an atom, or a substance composed of one kind of atom,.  A partical with an atomic number of zero has no protons and is, by definition, not an atom, and can't be an element.   D'oh.  

Bioware really needs to hire some sort of science advisor if they want to continue to try to do any sort of credible science fiction. 

I imagine someone read about exotic matter once but didn't remember it too well.

[Obadiah]

Jadebaby wrote...
...
You see, one thing I discovered at PAX Australia was that it's not about whether you like it or not to them. It's about whether you will remember it. Whether you'll keep talking about it. They don't even care how many people you tell it was crap. So long as your telling people about it, that's good enough for them.
...

As someone who liked the original ending and the EC, I kinda sorta agree with you part way.

I think the devs/salespeople just tried to make the best of a bad situation. However, in doing that they intentionally used to forum to gin up an internet presence for the game, since the forum posts are searchable from google.

All one need to do is look at the forum history for evidence. If the devs really wanted to give answers to people, they would have just started a stickied thread with official answers to story/lore questions, even if the answer was, "You know, we didn't think that aspect through, but XYZ was our intention there...", etc. Sure, a bunch of people would have been pissed and whined about "laziness", "rushed" and other nonsense, but the conversation would essentially be over.

Instead we got "calm down" "behave yourself" defensive posts every once in a while that didn't answer questions and just stoked conversation.

And now no PMS unless its to a friend? Why? To incentivize more conversation - I think they just flat out posted that was part of the reason. Again, to keep up the internet presence.

Shut down the WHOLE Character and Romance forum, and move discussion to groups. Why? What was being discussed was not the internet presence they wanted on the characters, and group posts aren't as searchable (as far as I can tell) from google.

[AlanC9]

Obadiah wrote...
Shut down the WHOLE Character and Romance forum, and move discussion to groups. Why? What was being discussed was not the internet presence they wanted on the characters, and group posts aren't as searchable (as far as I can tell) from google.

Maybe Web crawlers can't get at the Groups. It's made it a little annoying to research topics like exactly what theory the Choose Wisely crowd is pushing these days. Unless you've got the patience to sit through one of their videos, and I don't.

[3DandBeyond]

TheKingg wrote...

McFly man... Come on, step ya game up. How do you know that previous cycles proved the inevitable conflict between organics and synthetics? The reapers were ready to destroy this current cycle with synthetic organic peace.. Maybe he only saw it a couple times and then concluded it would happen every time. Show me his what his sample size is. How many cycles did he wait for the conflict to reach the point where it was assured synthetics would wipe out organics?

Yep big difference in seeing people fighting or some conflicts and concluding that one side and one side only will be inevitably responsible for the complete annihilation of that other side including all minor lifeforms within a type of molecular makeup.  I mean the idea is that synthetics will either intentionally or accidentally inevitably supercede (become stronger, smarter, and autonomous) their creators and not only kill them (in rebelling) but all other creatures and lifeforms made of the same compound, all organic life.  Yeah, that's just what brains are for.  And it's based upon this idea of transhumanism as well as worst case scenarios for the future from people that are extremely cynical.  The story up till this point was never that cynical and I know I'm not.

Sure people do bad things.  Synthetic people probably will as well.  But there is just as much likelihood that they won't.  Only there are people like Stephen Hawkings who for all his brainpower chooses to believe that human beings will eventually do the worst imaginable.  I see that as possible but I also see the alternative as possible.  I've seen that people's hearts can change for the better but if I never believe that then I create inevitability.  If I believe that only the worst will ever happen, and I say that to others (especially if I'm viewed as super smart and well-respected), then I create a belief that many adhere to and a one way ticket to annihilation.  If however I'm super smart, well-respected and say I believe humans will one day find some ways to work together and go for peace then it's just possible others will believe it too and start a trend, a movement, and a possible better future.

This game sets up the idea of inevitable death by synthetics.  Our creations will kill us.  This is narrow-minded and fills the bill as a self-fulfilling prophecy.  If you have nothing good to hope for, hope dies.  If hope dies, you don't seek to created something to hope for-it cannot be achieved, so life itself has no future.  I think it's moronic and stifling and kills the human soul or spirit or whatever you want to call it.  I hope for better things and they may not come true, but I choose to live in hope and not some nihilistic fated destruction.

The other problem is that something that is inevitable cannot be stopped or changed.  So if what the kid thinks is true and inevitable then nothing that is done will change that.  It would then be better to totally empower all synthetics now and get it over with, since they cannot be stopped, ever.

[shingara]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

No, not in the least, antimatter is not basic laymens term for Eezo, not even close.  Eezo doesn't obliterate matter when it comes into contact with it for one thing.  It is also an element for another, where as antimatter is founded on particle principles.  Eezo has an atomic number of 0, so it has little to do with antimatter.

 Actualy gravitons in the anti matter family are infact massless, making them have an element number of zero. It is where they came up with the idea in the 1st place.

 In concern to the asari can you plase expalin then why reapers do not have children and why they left the asari alone.

 Do a flip around.

Modifié par shingara, 11 août 2013 - 11:19 .

[Shaigunjoe]

shingara wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

No, not in the least, antimatter is not basic laymens term for Eezo, not even close.  Eezo doesn't obliterate matter when it comes into contact with it for one thing.  It is also an element for another, where as antimatter is founded on particle principles.  Eezo has an atomic number of 0, so it has little to do with antimatter.

 Actualy gravitons in the anti matter family are infact massless, making them have an element number of zero. It is where they came up with the idea in the 1st place.

 In concern to the asari can you plase expalin then why reapers do not have children and why they left the asari alone.

 Do a flip around.

Gravitons cannot have an atomic number of zero because they are not an element.....

Hmm, I would say that, but whatever means reapers have to say whether or not a civilization gets reaped, the asari were not passed that threshold last time they came through.  As to why reapers can't have kids?  Because they reproduce by another method, no need to.

[Shaigunjoe]

hpjay wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

 Eezo has an atomic number of 0, so it has little to do with antimatter. 

 

Please tell me they didn't do that.  [Checks the wiki].  Oh my <insert deity here> they did.  

I always imagined that Eezo was a heavy element somewhere beyond atomic number 118 in a hypothetical island of stability in the periodic chart.  See http://en.wikipedia....nd_of_stability

You see, an element is an atom, or a substance composed of one kind of atom,.  A partical with an atomic number of zero has no protons and is, by definition, not an atom, and can't be an element.   D'oh.  

Bioware really needs to hire some sort of science advisor if they want to continue to try to do any sort of credible science fiction. 

Hahha, yes...yes they do.

[shingara]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

shingara wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

No, not in the least, antimatter is not basic laymens term for Eezo, not even close.  Eezo doesn't obliterate matter when it comes into contact with it for one thing.  It is also an element for another, where as antimatter is founded on particle principles.  Eezo has an atomic number of 0, so it has little to do with antimatter.

 Actualy gravitons in the anti matter family are infact massless, making them have an element number of zero. It is where they came up with the idea in the 1st place.

 In concern to the asari can you plase expalin then why reapers do not have children and why they left the asari alone.

 Do a flip around.

Gravitons cannot have an atomic number of zero because they are not an element.....

Hmm, I would say that, but whatever means reapers have to say whether or not a civilization gets reaped, the asari were not passed that threshold last time they came through.  As to why reapers can't have kids?  Because they reproduce by another method, no need to.

 For gravitons with it being massless and the nature of them being able to create pockets where mass within them weighs nothing  thus relating to anti gravity how does that not mimic a mass effect field drive core ?
 Also gravitons are a theoretical elemental partical, they just have not been assigned but in theory they have an elemental number of zero with an infinate range.

  Why do reapers not just remove all organic life that will be able to create synthestics one day, doesnt it seem a little pointless that they would hide at all. If the real reason is to stop chaos they wouldnt get to the point where the reapers arriving would cause the chaos they are describing.

  Would you say construction is the same as reproduction on a scale of life. And what are the limitations on the reapers as a species from doing this.

Modifié par shingara, 11 août 2013 - 11:47 .

[Hey]

 i really dont like that idiom.  horses are awesome

http://t0.gstatic.co...VgE1dbQgFi58P3b

[DeathFX]

Oh and while I'm at it. True ending to ME3 = Shepard dies at the hand of The Marauder Shields. GG.




Remember his sacrifice ...

[chemiclord]

There's a sick part of me that would have taken great amusement at the rage that would end in the arsonist's flames rising at the Bioware offices had that really been how the series ended.

That would have been a damn twisted ending. I probably would have appreciated it (the irony of the mighty Shepard meeting his demise at the hands of a grunt after all he had gone through)... and I hold no delusions that I'd be on an island there.

[DeathFX]

[Inappropriate comments removed.] I kinda like what you did there either way. I'm not sure if I'm sick too or if you're actually "normal".

EDIT: Best Ending the way it would've been.

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 12 août 2013 - 06:43 .

[chemiclord]

Well, let's be perfectly blunt here:

ME3's vanilla ending featured Shepard struggling to get to his feet after somehow (???) taking a reaper money shot to the face... then the final cinematic is him/her taking a round through the head courtesy of a Marauder.

Credits roll.

What do you think happens?[Inappropriate comments removed.]

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 12 août 2013 - 06:45 .

[Mcfly616]

TheKingg wrote...

McFly man... Come on, step ya game up. How do you know that previous cycles proved the inevitable conflict between organics and synthetics? The reapers were ready to destroy this current cycle with synthetic organic peace.. Maybe he only saw it a couple times and then concluded it would happen every time. Show me his what his sample size is. How many cycles did he wait for the conflict to reach the point where it was assured synthetics would wipe out organics?

the conflict started long before the cycles. It was the reason the Catalyst was created. Civilization after civilization after civilization were being wiped out by their creations.

[shingara]

Mcfly616 wrote...
the conflict started long before the cycles. It was the reason the Catalyst was created. Civilization after civilization after civilization were being wiped out by their creations.

 One thing we have to consider though is how history is written by the victors. Lets say for example that what the leviathons themselves say isnt wholy true. We have to accept this upon some level. Now all we know is that races were enthralled by the leviathons but the paintings seen on the digsite show the leviathons controlling thralls to attack other organics.

 Obviously this is all speculation and how the leviathons we meet arnt the original leviathons who created the reapers.

Modifié par shingara, 12 août 2013 - 04:52 .

[Mcfly616]

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
the conflict started long before the cycles. It was the reason the Catalyst was created. Civilization after civilization after civilization were being wiped out by their creations.

 One thing we have to consider though is how history is written by the victors. Lets say for example that what the leviathons themselves say isnt wholy true. We have to accept this upon some level. Now all we know is that races were enthralled by the leviathons but the paintings seen on the digsite show the leviathons controlling thralls to attack other organics.

 Obviously this is all speculation and how the leviathons we meet arnt the original leviathons who created the reapers.

there is nothing but examples of it. The Leviathans told you. The Catalyst told you. Javik told you. And you saw it with your own eyes with the Geth. You have to accept that on some level as well.