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[Wayning_Star]

shingara wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

shingara wrote...

@wayning, dunno what happend with your quote but its gone funny. Anyhows its a mess they created for themselves and for a sequel tobe done its a mess they have to sort out themselves. They tried to please anyone and everyone. Problem was they split the community and in the proccess nulified every choice you had ever made.

oh, I tried to trim back some of our discussion only to not format it correctly.  The Mods on here insist that there isn't going to be a sequel, or at least any ME "4", they were pretty sure about that one. I don't believe they split any community, they might of frustrated a few with the 'changes' they put them through and some others with a lack of a cookie cut ending scenario. By the time the next ME rolls around, fans should be curious enough as to how/where they went with the next installment. Maybe they'll change it around for you? (hope is good

 The only thing they have been sure about is that no more mass effect games would have shepard within it. I dont get how you assume its around me, fact is that there are books and comics, minigames etc covering basically everything within this timeframe.

 Thus the easiest thing for a new set of writers to set out on is a blank slate, that is the future, all the past is harvest, cycle, harvest etc. I mean joking aside look what the writers for 3 did trying to take over from previous writers.

Not you, literally, it's more about reinventing the ending to suit the maxim or status quo. I'm thinking that the blank slate is the plan, or it's reflected in the feed back I heard here and about with the next story of the MEU. A tall order I think, personally. Previous writers don't really apply, as their concepts were never fully realized to compare with the current story. Some of the ones I've heard about (dark matter) are/would probably be far too technical to be enjoyed. Everyone enjoyed the space magic slam so far on the 'higher' aspects of technology as it relates to lowly humans and their evolutionary efforts..

[shingara]

Wayning_Star wrote...

shingara wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

shingara wrote...

@wayning, dunno what happend with your quote but its gone funny. Anyhows its a mess they created for themselves and for a sequel tobe done its a mess they have to sort out themselves. They tried to please anyone and everyone. Problem was they split the community and in the proccess nulified every choice you had ever made.

oh, I tried to trim back some of our discussion only to not format it correctly.  The Mods on here insist that there isn't going to be a sequel, or at least any ME "4", they were pretty sure about that one. I don't believe they split any community, they might of frustrated a few with the 'changes' they put them through and some others with a lack of a cookie cut ending scenario. By the time the next ME rolls around, fans should be curious enough as to how/where they went with the next installment. Maybe they'll change it around for you? (hope is good

 The only thing they have been sure about is that no more mass effect games would have shepard within it. I dont get how you assume its around me, fact is that there are books and comics, minigames etc covering basically everything within this timeframe.

 Thus the easiest thing for a new set of writers to set out on is a blank slate, that is the future, all the past is harvest, cycle, harvest etc. I mean joking aside look what the writers for 3 did trying to take over from previous writers.

Not you, literally, it's more about reinventing the ending to suit the maxim or status quo. I'm thinking that the blank slate is the plan, or it's reflected in the feed back I heard here and about with the next story of the MEU. A tall order I think, personally. Previous writers don't really apply, as their concepts were never fully realized to compare with the current story. Some of the ones I've heard about (dark matter) are/would probably be far too technical to be enjoyed. Everyone enjoyed the space magic slam so far on the 'higher' aspects of technology as it relates to lowly humans and their evolutionary efforts..

 AA get what you mean, and ye but i would assume that bioware will just steamroll whatever they want onto us. And i dunno the aria and grayson/cerb stuff covers quite a bit of the back story.  But its like what are you gonna do in this time frame not being shepard, look shock horror reapers, ye dont worry them over there are gonna shove there faces in..... possibly.


 Plus i bought into the whole swtor thing, looks how that went.

Modifié par shingara, 08 août 2013 - 03:47 .

[MrFob]

Jadebaby wrote...

You see, one thing I discovered at PAX Australia was that it's not about whether you like it or not to them. It's about whether you will remember it. Whether you'll keep talking about it. They don't even care how many people you tell it was crap. So long as your telling people about it, that's good enough for them.

Well, that makes sense but here's a question, I have to ask: You said you had this epiphany at PAX. Since BW was there, I wonder if you arrived at this conclusion on your own or if you actually talked to someone from BW and this was said/implied by one of them.
Ever since I first saw the endings, I was wondering about the creator's thought process when coming up with it but we haven't heard word one about it. Your explanation seems plausible but is this really BW's/the writers view on things or your own interpretation. I am just curious.

Modifié par MrFob, 08 août 2013 - 04:21 .

[CosmicGnosis]

I suspect that Casey and Mac were legitimately hurt by the extreme backlash. I will never believe that they actually wanted to torch the franchise and alienate their fanbase. They probably did want an ethically challenging ending, however.

My biggest problems have always been the lack of payoff, the thematic contradictions in the endings, and the space magic of Synthesis. EC kind of helped with the payoff and Synthesis, but the thematic concerns are still there. But they don't destroy the whole ending concept for me. I'm truly sorry that people around here feel that both Mass Effect and BioWare are ruined.

[Mcfly616]

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

A sequel isn't necessary.

 A prequel isnt necessary either, but pre history has been covered more then extenisvly, to have a new ME game in the current time frame is over shadowed by this trilogy. We know exactly what happens within this time frame especially with whats going on along side it.

I never said it was necessary. However, I disagree saying that the Shepard Trilogy would overshadow anything in the current timeframe. So Shepard and the Reapers are at the top of MEU food chain when it comes to Heroes and Villains. So what....Many people no longer want to be the defacto Savior of the Galaxy against an impossible force.


There are plenty of possibilities for stories taking place between the end of the First Contact War(2153) and 2183 that have absolutely nothing to do with the Shepard Trilogy. The codex covers major events. Not minor narratives that take place everyday in the galaxy.

 I think there are far far more people who want tobe shepard then anyone else.

I doubt that

. And on the note who wants tobe some random when all that is going off ?

a lot of people.

 As for between the first contact war 2183 is rather well covered via books.

the books have covered stories for certain characters. There are trillions of people in the galaxy.

[shingara]

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

A sequel isn't necessary.

 A prequel isnt necessary either, but pre history has been covered more then extenisvly, to have a new ME game in the current time frame is over shadowed by this trilogy. We know exactly what happens within this time frame especially with whats going on along side it.

I never said it was necessary. However, I disagree saying that the Shepard Trilogy would overshadow anything in the current timeframe. So Shepard and the Reapers are at the top of MEU food chain when it comes to Heroes and Villains. So what....Many people no longer want to be the defacto Savior of the Galaxy against an impossible force.


There are plenty of possibilities for stories taking place between the end of the First Contact War(2153) and 2183 that have absolutely nothing to do with the Shepard Trilogy. The codex covers major events. Not minor narratives that take place everyday in the galaxy.

 I think there are far far more people who want tobe shepard then anyone else.

I doubt that

. And on the note who wants tobe some random when all that is going off ?

a lot of people.

 As for between the first contact war 2183 is rather well covered via books.

the books have covered stories for certain characters. There are trillions of people in the galaxy.

 so be a binman and fill your boots, personaly dont care what you doubt. The books cover specific chars but they also fill in the blanks of what is going on in the universe around them.  You see cos your whole point has been how being a random doing not alot of anything or worth seems fun yet others and myselfs point is how the endings stomp and dilute any sequel.

Modifié par shingara, 08 août 2013 - 04:48 .

[Wolfva2]

NEIGH! Not this dead horse again! Don't you know it is Roan to keep beating it! Why, we must stop if we want a Stable BSN! And lo, tho surely some Rein must fall in our lives, there is no need to Stirrup more trouble! But alas, I fear you may think I Marely be Foaling around, so I shall stop my please 'ere my voice become Horse....


Anyways, BW/EA is a company. Companies exist to make money. Not to make you feel warm and fuzzy. Of course, the best way to MAKE money is to make the customer happy, so most companies try to do that. If you feel they're just out to destroy your hopes and dreams simply STOP GIVING THEM MONEY. YOU have the power here. If you like what they do, buy their products. If you don't, keep your money. But don't fall back upon your backside in shock and horror that a company isn't going out of it's way to make you happy, that they may see you as nothing more then a sap with disposable income which they want.

[Mcfly616]

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

A sequel isn't necessary.

 A prequel isnt necessary either, but pre history has been covered more then extenisvly, to have a new ME game in the current time frame is over shadowed by this trilogy. We know exactly what happens within this time frame especially with whats going on along side it.

I never said it was necessary. However, I disagree saying that the Shepard Trilogy would overshadow anything in the current timeframe. So Shepard and the Reapers are at the top of MEU food chain when it comes to Heroes and Villains. So what....Many people no longer want to be the defacto Savior of the Galaxy against an impossible force.


There are plenty of possibilities for stories taking place between the end of the First Contact War(2153) and 2183 that have absolutely nothing to do with the Shepard Trilogy. The codex covers major events. Not minor narratives that take place everyday in the galaxy.

 I think there are far far more people who want tobe shepard then anyone else.

I doubt that

. And on the note who wants tobe some random when all that is going off ?

a lot of people.

 As for between the first contact war 2183 is rather well covered via books.

the books have covered stories for certain characters. There are trillions of people in the galaxy.

 so be a binman and fill your boots, personaly dont care what you doubt. The books cover specific chars but they also fill in the blanks of what is going on in the universe around them.  You see cos your whole point has been how being a random doing not alot of anything or worth seems fun yet others and myselfs point is how the endings stomp and dilute any sequel.

you're not making any sense.....but right on bro.

Anyways, your wants don't represent the wants of everybody else. For the most part (atleast around here) both haters and fanboys of ME3 are ready for a fresh start in the MEU.

[shingara]

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

shingara wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

A sequel isn't necessary.

 A prequel isnt necessary either, but pre history has been covered more then extenisvly, to have a new ME game in the current time frame is over shadowed by this trilogy. We know exactly what happens within this time frame especially with whats going on along side it.

I never said it was necessary. However, I disagree saying that the Shepard Trilogy would overshadow anything in the current timeframe. So Shepard and the Reapers are at the top of MEU food chain when it comes to Heroes and Villains. So what....Many people no longer want to be the defacto Savior of the Galaxy against an impossible force.


There are plenty of possibilities for stories taking place between the end of the First Contact War(2153) and 2183 that have absolutely nothing to do with the Shepard Trilogy. The codex covers major events. Not minor narratives that take place everyday in the galaxy.

 I think there are far far more people who want tobe shepard then anyone else.

I doubt that

. And on the note who wants tobe some random when all that is going off ?

a lot of people.

 As for between the first contact war 2183 is rather well covered via books.

the books have covered stories for certain characters. There are trillions of people in the galaxy.

 so be a binman and fill your boots, personaly dont care what you doubt. The books cover specific chars but they also fill in the blanks of what is going on in the universe around them.  You see cos your whole point has been how being a random doing not alot of anything or worth seems fun yet others and myselfs point is how the endings stomp and dilute any sequel.

you're not making any sense.....but right on bro.

Anyways, your wants don't represent the wants of everybody else. For the most part (atleast around here) both haters and fanboys of ME3 are ready for a fresh start in the MEU.

 ow thats weak, very very weak. Lets do this in laymans terms so you might possibly understand it. How do i explain this to you hmm.

 You   Want    To    Implant     A     New    Person     Into     History    Who     Does     Nothing      At    All.

Because that is the only way your going to play a person who isnt within the codex or a covered char without them being covered already.

 And a fresh start requires nothing old within, so jog on.

Modifié par shingara, 08 août 2013 - 05:09 .

[Dr. Megaverse]

Mcfly616 wrote...
....Many people no longer want to be the defacto Savior of the Galaxy against an impossible force.

You don't speak for me. Supposing your opinion is universal, or even majoritarian, also seems foolhardy. 

[Wolfva2]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
....Many people no longer want to be the defacto Savior of the Galaxy against an impossible force.

You don't speak for me. Supposing your opinion is universal, or even majoritarian, also seems foolhardy. 

What Mega said.

Many people want this or that.  If they make a game that covers that, then the This people are SOL and shouldn't buy it.  On the other hand, if they make a game for the This people, then those That folks are now SOL and shouldn't buy it. 

The bottom line is, no one can make a game that is universally loved.  Learn about the game, figure out if you think you'll like it, THEN decide whether or not to buy it.  Don't just buy it because you like the publisher's previous work, or because some critic liked it, or vice versa.

[chemiclord]

At times, I come across quote pyramids and arguments on the BSN that make me think I missed a part of my English classes where I would have learned about the syntax usage and contexts that would allow me to understand just what the hell is being said.

This is one of those times.

Modifié par chemiclord, 08 août 2013 - 05:27 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

..And all this while I was wondering who was tobe shepard.. O.o

[dreamgazer]

chemiclord wrote...

At times, I come across quote pyramids and arguments on the BSN that make me think I missed a part of my English classes where I would have learned about the syntax usage and contexts that would allow me to understand just what the hell is being said.

This is one of those times.

It requires a cipher.  Go speak with the Thorian and he'll get you squared away. 

[Kel Riever]

Dear OP, who as you know, I usually like and happen to agree with.

If the goal of people at BioWare is to have a career by being well known as incapable of doing their job, and they can sleep at night doing that, well, that right there is more punishment than I could ever wish on anyone. I mean, for example, Tara Reid has a career. And the more awful she is, maybe the more money she makes. But I'm pretty sure she has to drink her life away to deal with it. Having enough money to drink wherever she wants and whenever she wants is small consolation to having a worthless life.

And then, if you want to throw the throttle all the way in that direction you get Lindsey Lohan. or Brittany Spears. Living trainwrecks and celebrities for it.

Some people say any news is good news in the entertainment industry. And while that may be true from a money making perspective, it certainly isn't from a 'you did something with your life' perspective.

I'm not going to say that is the goal of BioWare.  But if they or anyone actually aspires to have people talking about a game in the way they do about Mass Effect is a good thing at that company, well, that right there would be them living atrocious lives and trying to call it good.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 08 août 2013 - 05:48 .

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...

 ow thats weak, very very weak. Lets do this in laymans terms so you might possibly understand it. How do i explain this to you hmm.

 You   Want    To    Implant     A     New    Person     Into     History    Who     Does     Nothing      At    All.

Because that is the only way your going to play a person who isnt within the codex or a covered char without them being covered already.

 And a fresh start requires nothing old within, so jog on.

This is either deliberate rhetorical overstatement or just very, very silly. There is a huge space between between being someone important enough to get mentioned in, say, a three-paragraph entry on the First Contact War, and doing "nothing at all." We don't have all that much information on Alliance history. There's plenty of space left for prequels.

Unfortunately.

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 août 2013 - 06:18 .

[shingara]

AlanC9 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 ow thats weak, very very weak. Lets do this in laymans terms so you might possibly understand it. How do i explain this to you hmm.

 You   Want    To    Implant     A     New    Person     Into     History    Who     Does     Nothing      At    All.

Because that is the only way your going to play a person who isnt within the codex or a covered char without them being covered already.

 And a fresh start requires nothing old within, so jog on.

This is either deliberate rhetorical overstatement or just very, very silly. There is a huge space between between being someone important enough to get mentioned in, say, a three-paragraph entry on the First Contact War, and doing "nothing at all." 

 Its also very deliberatly ignorant to think of a game on such a scale as a mass effect main title todo something that doesnt show up within the codex or the books. Also seems quite borring to redo old storys dont you think.

Modifié par shingara, 08 août 2013 - 06:19 .

[AlanC9]

So you just can't do a ME game without Saving the Entire Damn Galaxy?

Then why didn't you write "You   Want    To    Implant     A     New    Person     Into     History    Who     Doesn't  Save   the Entire   Damn   Galaxy"?

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 août 2013 - 06:21 .

[Conquerthecity]

There are so many things in ME3 that I just can't believe anyone legitimately thought was a good idea. But I'm past really raging or even talking about it very much. All I can muster is some slight bitterness and my continued resolve to wait for bargain bin prices.

[shingara]

AlanC9 wrote...

So you just can't do a ME game without Saving the Entire Damn Galaxy?

 Would you want to play a game in mass effect where you arnt saving the universe in some way ?

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...
 Would you want to play a game in mass effect where you arnt saving the universe in some way ?

Yes. In fact, I strongly prefer that.

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 août 2013 - 06:23 .

[shingara]

AlanC9 wrote...

shingara wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

So you just can't do a ME game without Saving the Entire Damn Galaxy?

 Would you want to play a game in mass effect where you arnt saving the universe in some way ?

Yes.

 Well luckily for you there are other games that provide that for you.

[Modius Prime]

Yeah, BioWare sure thanks a lot of the fans for all of the crazy stuff and spite that people gave them for over a year. The ending got a sour reaction 'cuz the ending made no sense with the premise of the first game, and it shows that it's not about the fans - it's about the monies and how many people can access their game, while neglecting previously established themes or essential elements to the core of the plot; It doesn't take a genius to understand that the ending was completely loco. If you don't like it, then don't buy it. Fans don't need to move on; fans need to stop being so fanatical and actually use their money to buy QUALITY products, and to criticize poor quality goods so that they are removed from the market.

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 Would you want to play a game in mass effect where you arnt saving the universe in some way ?

Yes.

 Well luckily for you there are other games that provide that for you.

Are there? I thought we were talking about Mass Effect games. See itals above.

[shingara]

AlanC9 wrote...

shingara wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 Would you want to play a game in mass effect where you arnt saving the universe in some way ?

Yes.

 Well luckily for you there are other games that provide that for you.

Are there? I thought we were talking about Mass Effect games. See itals above.

 Ow sorry who out of us is trying to redefine what mass effect games are ? i dont think its me trying to demand a mass effect- dues ex edition is it.