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[Mr. Gogeta34]

To me, a sad ending or an isolated plot hole isn't what disappointed me as far as the ending goes... It's the fact that it didn't make sense and was full of plot holes that hit you.. one after the other, for basically 10 minutes straight. It was such a huge drop in writing quality from anything that came before it that it still frankly boggles my mind how it got done.

I'm not angry about it though and never have been. Heck, as a creative person myself, it's become a great thing to study, discuss and learn from on these boards.

But Bioware really dropped the ball with ME3's ending... and the majority of fans agree.

Anybody remember the recent Gametrailers "Final Verdict" for ME3's ending? Guess what? The vast majority of actual users disagreed with GT's verdict and felt ME3's ending made no sense either.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 08 août 2013 - 06:28 .

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

shingara wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 Would you want to play a game in mass effect where you arnt saving the universe in some way ?

Yes.

 Well luckily for you there are other games that provide that for you.

Are there? I thought we were talking about Mass Effect games. See itals above.

 Ow sorry who out of us is trying to redefine what mass effect games are ? i dont think its me trying to demand a mass effect- dues ex edition is it.

So your position is that ME games simply have to be about saving the universe because reasons?

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 août 2013 - 06:30 .

[shingara]

AlanC9 wrote...

So your position is that ME games simply have to be about saving the universe because reasons?

 This is quite comical, lets get some things straight here shall we, i was debating the limitations upon a sequel due to the endings, then was pulled into a debate that prequels are better. For a blank slate this isnt the case.

  And as it stands your the one who is trying to redefine what an ME game is, if it isnt about saving the universe in some way then please explain to me mass effect 1,2 and 3. I can suggest that if you have an idea for a game then feel free to place the idea within the casey hudson topic and fill your boots.

   And as it stands your soul point is that you can inject a player into a time at any point before the end ME3, and that somehow will have the broadest acceptance within the fanbase as a whole. As whilst a sequel may not be as appealing to people who wanted a prequel or to play as an already canon npc but it would have more appeal then a prequel with people who only wanted a sequel and didnt wish togo over old storys already vastly covered and of subjects they already know the pinupulate outcome from.

  Onto this you are also suggestinga radical change in how the mass effect games are played and the world is percieved.

Modifié par shingara, 08 août 2013 - 06:39 .

[KaiserShep]

A Mass Effect game does not have to be about saving the entire galaxy. Just because Shepard's story was about saving it doesn't mean that every single overarching plot in the MEU must follow suit. This isn't a complex idea.

Like, what if the story was about a protagonist saving a single planet, or even just saving a few characters? Doesn't sound as grand as saving the entire Milky Way, but it doesn't matter. Smaller scale stories can be written to be just as meaningful in the right hands.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 08 août 2013 - 06:45 .

[shingara]

KaiserShep wrote...

A Mass Effect game does not have to be about saving the entire galaxy. Just because Shepard's story was about saving it doesn't mean that every single overarching plot in the MEU must follow suit. This isn't a complex idea.

 Saving the universe in some way doesnt equal save the entire galaxy. The MEU as we know it is based upon saving the universe in some way.

KaiserShep wrote...

Like, what if the story was about a protagonist saving a single planet, or even just saving a few characters? Doesn't sound as grand as saving the entire Milky Way, but it doesn't matter. Smaller scale stories can be written to be just as meaningful in the right hands.

 And that would encompass saving the galaxy in some way, and man that sounds like long exciting games.... for apps.

Modifié par shingara, 08 août 2013 - 06:48 .

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So your position is that ME games simply have to be about saving the universe because reasons?

 This is quite comical, lets get some things straight here shall we, i was debating the limitations upon a sequel due to the endings, then was pulled into a debate that prequels are better. For a blank slate this isnt the case.

Were you? If you say so. I came in where you posted:

ow thats weak, very very weak. Lets do this in laymans terms so you might possibly understand it. How do i explain this to you hmm.

 You   Want    To    Implant     A     New    Person     Into     History    Who     Does     Nothing      At    All.

Which is what I took issue with. As written, it's nonsense. If all you were trying to say was that the hero of a ME game has to Save The Galaxy, saying that heroes who don't do that are doing "nothing at all" is a terrible way to get the concept across.

  And as it stands your the one who is trying to redefine what an ME game is, if it isnt about saving the universe in some way then please explain to me mass effect 1,2 and 3. I can suggest that if you have an idea for a game then feel free to place the idea within the casey hudson topic and fill your boots.

An ME game is a game set in the ME universe. What else would "ME game" mean?

   And as it stands your soul point is that you can inject a player into a time at any point before the end ME3, and that somehow will have the broadest acceptance within the fanbase as a whole. As whilst a sequel may not be as appealing to people who wanted a prequel or to play as an already canon npc but it would have more appeal then a prequel with people who only wanted a sequel and didnt wish togo over old storys already vastly covered and of subjects they already know the pinupulate outcome from.

Broadest acceptance? I've got no idea what would get the broadest acceptance, and neither do you. I just don't think the prequel concept is inherently unworkable.

[shingara]

AlanC9 wrote...
Were you? If you say so. I came in where you posted:

 Beyond the fact you think you are the center of the universe, did i actualy start talking to you first ???


 For the rest of it, it has been previously covered by me and others.

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Were you? If you say so. I came in where you posted:

 Beyond the fact you think you are the center of the universe, did i actualy start talking to you first ???

Last time I checked this is a public discussion board. Has there been a policy change?

[KaiserShep]

shingara wrote...

 Saving the universe in some way doesnt
equal save the entire galaxy. The MEU as we know it is based upon saving
the universe in some way.

KaiserShep wrote...

Like,
what if the story was about a protagonist saving a single planet, or
even just saving a few characters? Doesn't sound as grand as saving the
entire Milky Way, but it doesn't matter. Smaller scale stories can be
written to be just as meaningful in the right hands.

 And that would encompass saving the galaxy in some way, and man that sounds like long exciting games.... for apps.

There's no "saving the universe" plot in Mass Effect, except in the discarded dark energy plot. That said, the MEU is not based solely on saving the galaxy; Shepard's story is. The next protagonist, whatever he/she may be, does not have to be charged with the task of saving everything from the Far Rim to the Minos Wasteland in order for the story to be meaningful. This is something you seem to refuse to understand, judging from your pointlessly snide comment "for apps". What is that even supposed to mean? Are you implying that a story isn't worth telling if its outcome does not affect trillions of people? Lots of fiction must be lost on you then, since a great deal of it can involve events that affect almost no one but maybe a handful of characters.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 08 août 2013 - 06:56 .

[shingara]

AlanC9 wrote...

shingara wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Were you? If you say so. I came in where you posted:

 Beyond the fact you think you are the center of the universe, did i actualy start talking to you first ???

Last time I checked this is a public discussion board. Has there been a policy change?

 As it is a public forums you will notice i was infact talking to wayning first, on this note do you have an illusion that i work for EA or Bioware. it is confusing as you seem to think that i have the power to veto a prequel or that you trying to convince me a prequel is better some how strengthens your case with Bioware or EA.

Modifié par shingara, 08 août 2013 - 07:01 .

[shingara]

KaiserShep wrote...

shingara wrote...

 Saving the universe in some way doesnt
equal save the entire galaxy. The MEU as we know it is based upon saving
the universe in some way.

KaiserShep wrote...

Like,
what if the story was about a protagonist saving a single planet, or
even just saving a few characters? Doesn't sound as grand as saving the
entire Milky Way, but it doesn't matter. Smaller scale stories can be
written to be just as meaningful in the right hands.

 And that would encompass saving the galaxy in some way, and man that sounds like long exciting games.... for apps.

There's no "saving the universe" plot in Mass Effect, except in the discarded dark energy plot. That said, the MEU is not based solely on saving the galaxy; Shepard's story is. The next protagonist, whatever he/she may be, does not have to be charged with the task of saving everything from the Far Rim to the Minos Wasteland in order for the story to be meaningful. This is something you seem to refuse to understand, judging from your pointlessly snide comment "for apps". What is that even supposed to mean? Are you implying that a story isn't worth telling if its outcome does not affect trillions of people?

 Snide, really, for someone who sounds like they are a major mass effect fan and know all of its existance you seem to have forgotten about masseffect.bioware.com/mobile/

[KaiserShep]

Mobile apps are irrelevant, and were not even a subject you were seriously trying to discuss. I was addressing an obviously sarcastic comment regarding smaller scale stories and how they can fit into a Mass Effect game.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 08 août 2013 - 07:02 .

[shingara]

KaiserShep wrote...

Mobile apps are irrelevant. I was addressing an obviously sarcastic comment regarding smaller scale stories and how they can fit into a Mass Effect game.

 So one of the strongest markets within gaming is irrelivent is it, that infiltraor is a very good game. That side cameo games EXACTLY like the ones they suggested are perfect for the mobile market, of which isnt relegated to mobile phones somehow lessons the game.

   The only snide or sarcastic thing here is you suggesting it was sarcasm when stating that these types of games are irrelivent in this current computer and mobile gaming age. To which i am fully able to believe you had never even tried or heard of this game up until this point and thus do not understand the merits of games such as these or the power that mobile devices currently hold for gaming.

Modifié par shingara, 08 août 2013 - 07:06 .

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...

 As it is a public forums you will notice i was infact talking to wayning first,

You were. So what?

on this note do you have an illusion that i work for EA or Bioware. it is confusing as you seem to think that i have the power to veto a prequel or that you trying to convince me a prequel is better some how strengthens your case with Bioware or EA.

Seriously?

I'm not criticizing your ideas because I think you have power, or because I think anyone else will ever listen to you. I'm criticizing your ideas because your ideas are bad.

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 août 2013 - 07:07 .

[ShepnTali]

Saving the galaxy isn't necessary, and I'd rather not, again. John Marsden wasn't out to save the world, much less the galaxy. Red Dead was a great story on a personal level, and ME can do something similar. Stories are limitless on this kind of level, even as 'prequels'. The characters, which are generally a strong suit, can really flourish in a setting like this.

[shingara]

AlanC9 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 As it is a public forums you will notice i was infact talking to wayning first,

You were. So what?

on this note do you have an illusion that i work for EA or Bioware. it is confusing as you seem to think that i have the power to veto a prequel or that you trying to convince me a prequel is better some how strengthens your case with Bioware or EA.

Seriously?

I'm not criticizing your ideas because I think you have power, or because I think anyone else will ever listen to me. I'm criticizing your ideas because my ideas are bad.

 Beyond you sounding like a brat i fully agree with the second part.

Modifié par shingara, 08 août 2013 - 07:09 .

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...

 Snide, really, for someone who sounds like they are a major mass effect fan and know all of its existance you seem to have forgotten about masseffect.bioware.com/mobile/

So now it's OK for ME games to involve something other than saving the galaxy? Weren't you arguing against that a minute ago?

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 août 2013 - 07:09 .

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 As it is a public forums you will notice i was infact talking to wayning first,

You were. So what?

on this note do you have an illusion that i work for EA or Bioware. it is confusing as you seem to think that i have the power to veto a prequel or that you trying to convince me a prequel is better some how strengthens your case with Bioware or EA.

Seriously?

I'm not criticizing your ideas because I think you have power, or because I think anyone else will ever listen to me. I'm criticizing your ideas because your ideas are bad.

 Beyond you sounding like a brat i fully agree with the second part.

You agree that your own ideas are bad? Well, at least we're getting somewhere.

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 août 2013 - 07:10 .

[shingara]

AlanC9 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 Snide, really, for someone who sounds like they are a major mass effect fan and know all of its existance you seem to have forgotten about masseffect.bioware.com/mobile/

So now it's OK for ME games to involve something other than saving the galaxy? Weren't you arguing against that a minute ago?

  Im sure your trying, but do you see me arguing for all mass effect games or the next trilogy of mass effect games. And to above, just lol.

Modifié par shingara, 08 août 2013 - 07:11 .

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...
Im sure your trying, but do you see me arguing for all mass effect games or the next trilogy of mass effect games.

You're not making any coherent arguments at all, actually. What is your position on saving the galaxy? Necessary, or not?

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 août 2013 - 07:15 .

[Wolfva2]

Perhaps not Shingara, but it is YOU who said there were other ME games out there for him to play that didn't involve saving the universe. I think he asked a very valid question, I'd love to know what those games are.


Or, did you mean there were other types of games out there? That's true, of course. But he wasn't talking about Deus Ex, or Everquest, or Mario Cart. He was talking about playing a Mass Effect game with a character who's not trying to save the universe. You said there were games out there like that. There aren't. At least, perhaps not until ME4 comes out.

My position is...ALWAYS save the galaxy.  For if we lose the galaxy, where would we keep all our stuff?
/duck

Modifié par Wolfva2, 08 août 2013 - 07:17 .

[shingara]

AlanC9 wrote...

shingara wrote...
Im sure your trying, but do you see me arguing for all mass effect games or the next trilogy of mass effect games.

You're not making any coherent arguments at all, actually.

 The fact you think im taking you seriously gives great amusment. Not only are you not able to follow a debate, you seem to think that jumping into someone elses debate gives you strength somehow. And your fuzzy memory is that bad i think i should start calling you murdoch. So which game were we talking about ooo i forgot is it the nnext main mass effect trilogy.

[shingara]

Wolfva2 wrote...

Perhaps not Shingara, but it is YOU who said there were other ME games out there for him to play that didn't involve saving the universe. I think he asked a very valid question, I'd love to know what those games are.


Or, did you mean there were other types of games out there? That's true, of course. But he wasn't talking about Deus Ex, or Everquest, or Mario Cart. He was talking about playing a Mass Effect game with a character who's not trying to save the universe. You said there were games out there like that. There aren't. At least, perhaps not until ME4 comes out.

My position is...ALWAYS save the galaxy.  For if we lose the galaxy, where would we keep all our stuff?
/duck

 I was talking about infiltrator, of course there are other games that do follow the example that he wishes to play, maybe a cop whos trying to solve crimes, or a vigilante out for blood. Because if its the play style and story aspect they are going for, sitting and daydreaming, hoping that bioware will do that for them could be something that never ever comes to pass.

 And that time is wasted time. time that could have been invested in the type of game they wished to play. personaly i dont see the problem with that. But its quite obvious they think its a personal attack on them to even suggest a prequel may never happen, if they are that touchy about the subject then maybe they shouldnt be on the bsn as a lot of hurt shall come there way.

Modifié par shingara, 08 août 2013 - 07:23 .

[KaiserShep]

shingara wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Mobile apps are irrelevant. I was addressing an obviously sarcastic comment regarding smaller scale stories and how they can fit into a Mass Effect game.

 So one of the strongest markets within gaming is irrelivent is it, that infiltraor is a very good game. That side cameo games EXACTLY like the ones they suggested are perfect for the mobile market, of which isnt relegated to mobile phones somehow lessons the game.

   The only snide or sarcastic thing here is you suggesting it was sarcasm when stating that these types of games are irrelivent in this current computer and mobile gaming age. To which i am fully able to believe you had never even tried or heard of this game up until this point and thus do not understand the merits of games such as these or the power that mobile devices currently hold for gaming.

You diminished the merits of a small scale story by reducing it to something only really worth putting into a Mass Effect mobile app, only to turn around and try to respond to my objection to this by arguing the merits of mobile apps.

The troll is strong with this one.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 08 août 2013 - 07:24 .

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...

 The fact you think im taking you seriously gives great amusment. Not only are you not able to follow a debate, you seem to think that jumping into someone elses debate gives you strength somehow. And your fuzzy memory is that bad i think i should start calling you murdoch. So which game were we talking about ooo i forgot is it the nnext main mass effect trilogy.

Don't worry. Taking you seriously isn't the point. (I was going to edit your post above the way you edited mine upthread, but that's so juvenile I couldn't bring myself to do it)

You really want me to recap the debate for you?

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 août 2013 - 07:28 .