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[MyChemicalBromance]

I legitimately enjoyed the ending, as did several of my friends, all of us having followed the series since pre-2007. I still enjoy the ending, and I usually play it without the extended cut.

There are more like us; they just don't come here because of what this board has become. I seriously doubt there's anything anyone could say to salvage it for the people that are still mad, so I'm posting this to agree with you: maybe it is time you moved on.

Modifié par MyChemicalBromance, 08 août 2013 - 05:07 .

[Dubozz]

Some guy in the internet told me to move on.

[mopotter]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

We shall see, however BioWare could very well have turned a large portion of their fanbase from "blind buyers" into "cautious buyers." The latter rarely pre-orders and is less likely to purchase a product without huge acclaim.

I'd agree with you.  I have been a "blind buyer" since KOTOR.  And a happy one, Jade Empire was great, DA:O and DA2 I enjoyed both.  I loved ME1 and enjoyed ME2 enough to replay it over 30 times, lost count years ago, but ME3 has changed that.  I'm not pre-ordering DA I or a ME4.  I'll buy it after I find out what they have done with it.  

Sadly, if ME3 had been a stand alone game, and not the ending of a trilogy I loved, I'd probably have enjoyed it.  

I sort of have hopes for future games just because we are still talking about it, but hopes aren't enough to fork out the funds for a new game.

[mopotter]

iakus wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

iakus wrote...

Fans:  We want new/different endings
Bioware:  No.  But let's compromise:  We won't change the endings
Fans:  ...yay?

Technically, the Extended Cut is a compromise. It doesn't change the general message of the ending, but it does change one of the original ending's biggest flaw: no follow-up on the choices given. To imply that BioWare doesn't listen to its fans because they don't rewrite the entire ending is disingenuous, and the demands for a completely different ending is not reasonable. If BioWare catered to everyone down to even the MEHEM crowd, it would essentially be a new product. Rewriting the ending to alter the premise and remove the catalyst AI encounter makes it a completely separate game from the copies they initially released. I can't recall any devs that have gone so far as to completely rewrite the ending of a game to appease fans after the product is on the shelf,, but I would be interested if you can name any. 

The EC may not have helped the game for you, but it salvaged it in a big way for others, such as myself. 

Fallout 3: Broken Steel.  I'd have gladly paid $10, or heck $15-$20 for a similar expansion dlc for ME3 

And yeah for me EC did not change the choices, the context of the choices. or the outcomes.  Nothing that I hated about the origninal endings was altered.  in fact, it further reinforced several things i despised.  Therefore it's good for nothing but raw materials for MEHEM.

I do have Broken Steel, wouldn't have kept FA3 without it.  And I also would have paid for an expansion dlc for ME3 that showed someone looking for, and finding Shepard, after the battle.  

I'm sure there were still some cerberus still wandering around the team could have fought or just criminals like the Blood pack or Blue Suns or Eclipse looking to loot the bodies.  A dlc that anyone who didn't want it could ignore.  Like I ignore any dlc with multi player in it.    

I don't need the other two endings removed, just needed more on the destroy one, instead of that charred body taking a breath and no one near to find it.

[mopotter]

shingara wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

iakus wrote...

The change leads to the content.  You are changing the outcome.

If anything, this shows that only a "minor" change in the ending could have led to something many who hated the ending could have accepted (as Broken Steel proved to be a more satisfactory ending than the original)

If the problem with ME3's ending could be handled with one minor addition, I think you would have seen that.

But it doesn't.  Sure, say you make Shepard clearly survive the Destroy ending... and that you can add content from there (i.e. making Citadeal a post-Destroy party), now you've pissed off everyone else because now Destroy is clearly the "right" ending.

What YOU wanted wasn't what everyone wanted.  To fix the ending's flaws would have required a complete redo, and that was NEVER going to happen.

 If they introduce a new ending, remove the old endings and choices and make it so it continues the actual mission you have been doing from 1-3 what exactly would be the problem ?

You mean,
destroy the reapers which has been the goal since ME1  and depending on your choices from ME1 and ME2
possibly die, survive, have the reapers win, have them go back to dark space, have some of your team die, some live, sometimes have the Geth destroyed with the quarian building their home;  sometimes have them help the Quarian and build that home for all of them, and sometimes have the quarian die with the geth back on the homeland?  This kind of change?  <sigh>   I'd buy that.  Would pay top dollar for it.

[mopotter]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

ME3 is still a great game, despite the ending. It's fun as hell to play and the multiplayer is bizarrely addicting. BioWare did okay, but I won't be buying anymore of their products, maybe some rentals or barrows but no more buying BW for me.

I've started a new game without anything imported from my ME1 and 2 games.  I'm not playing any of "my" Shepard's who had years of making decisions/choices, talking to the other npcs, most Shepards were well balanced between paragon and renegade with a few true paragon's tossed in and one renegade.  

This is a Shepard in a stand alone game and as such, I'm enjoying it.  For me they failed the series completely but yes, the game is fun, though since the endings are multiple choice and it's basically the same each time,  I'm not going to be playing it the 20 and more times I played ME1 and 2 so I'm not sure it was worth what I paid for it.

While I may or may not buy future games, I won't be pre-ordering them.

[N7recruit]

Hi Jade. Were you at the Closed door feed back panel at Pax? If you were could you say what that entailed? Or if you can't that's cool but is what you wrote in your OP the extent of their feelings about the whole Ending situation? No other motivation behind it other than for it to be Memorable?
P.S. thanks for the advice I've my own Conclusion typed & Drawn out already XD

[SlottsMachine]

David7204 wrote...

Fallout 3 was way, way better than New Vegas. And a lot better than the 15 minutes I've played of Fallout since I keep getting killed by scorpions because I'm level one.

Someone didn't take Sunny Smiles' advice. Stick to the main roads and you will be fine. 

[AlanC9]

mopotter wrote...
.....though since the endings are multiple choice and it's basically the same each time,  I'm not going to be playing it the 20 and more times I played ME1 and 2 so I'm not sure it was worth what I paid for it.

If you replay for variations in the endings, how did you ever replay ME1? Council dead/alive, Udina/Anderson as councilor -- that's 4 endings, same as ME3 except without ME3's variations for Rannoch and Tuchanka. 

I guess I can see replaying ME2 while trying to get different people killed, but that doesn't actually do much of anything except lose you a post-mission convo and give you a death scene in some cases. Other than that it's just a simple binary choice.

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 août 2013 - 09:19 .

[shingara]

I think where ME1 and 2 varied from 3 upon completion was that with 1 and 2 you actualy felt like you completed and whilst completed you still felt hmm what if i went back and redid this etc, with 3 you might finish but you seem to have that feeling of, well what was the point of that and WTF just happened.

Modifié par shingara, 08 août 2013 - 09:26 .

[AlanC9]

StreetMagic wrote...
There was always the element of consequences in those first two games though. "I can't wait to see how this will pan out." That sort of thing is pretty much over with, afaik (hopefully not, but I have to take their word for it. This was actually the end to Mass Effect ).

The end of save imports, anyway.

[shingara]

AlanC9 wrote...

The end of save imports, anyway.

 That we dont know and can only assume.

Modifié par shingara, 08 août 2013 - 09:30 .

[JonathonPR]

I have taken the hose head, mounted it on a plaque, and use it for playing darts. ME3 has heightened my awareness of what I do or do not enjoy in games and the standard of quality I expect for different genres. Much like how darts has made me aware of hand eye coordination.

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

The end of save imports, anyway.

 That we dont know and can only assume.

We could bet a few hundred Bio points on it., if you really think ME4's going to import a save

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 août 2013 - 09:30 .

[shingara]

AlanC9 wrote...

We could bet a few hundred Bio points on it., if you really think ME4's going to import a save

 Im up for that, ive got tons of those things rattling about. Thing is though the new consoles are just basically very powerful micro atx machines.

 Im just saying im not rulling anything out when it comes to import/export on the next ME and its kin.

[shingara]

StreetMagic wrote...

They couldn't make a sequel out of this mess, so I don't think an import is relevant.. even if it was a current gen game that allowed imports easily.

Their other choice is a prequel or alternative universe. In which case, both ideas are weak as hell.

So, it's the end of Mass Effect, to me at least.

 All they have todo is enforce a canon ending on us in the next sequel, they will justify it somehow. either direction is possible.

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

We could bet a few hundred Bio points on it., if you really think ME4's going to import a save

 Im up for that, ive got tons of those things rattling about. Thing is though the new consoles are just basically very powerful micro atx machines.

 Im just saying im not rulling anything out when it comes to import/export on the next ME and its kin.

OK. 800 points, then? That way when I win I can pick up Leviathan.

[shingara]

AlanC9 wrote...

shingara wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

We could bet a few hundred Bio points on it., if you really think ME4's going to import a save

 Im up for that, ive got tons of those things rattling about. Thing is though the new consoles are just basically very powerful micro atx machines.

 Im just saying im not rulling anything out when it comes to import/export on the next ME and its kin.

OK. 800 points, then? That way when I win I can pick up Leviathan.

Lol ok, and you really havnt played leviathon yet ?

[shingara]

StreetMagic wrote...

I'd be all for that, but I don't think they have the balls to do it.

 They had the balls to alter the story drastically in 3 and nulify all our choices through the trilogy within the last 5 mins of the game.

[rohanks]

shingara wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

I'd be all for that, but I don't think they have the balls to do it.

 They had the balls to alter the story drastically in 3 and nulify all our choices through the trilogy within the last 5 mins of the game.

Depending on what source you read, I thought EA had Bioware's balls in a pickle jar labelled "Deadline".

[AlanC9]

shingara wrote...


Lol ok, and you really havnt played leviathon yet ?

Nope. Wasn't worth buying.