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#176
Lord Raijin

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Lilaeth wrote...

Meh.  Pro-Circle.  Not going to be in my team then!


What do you have against Pro-Circle mages?

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Lol. Now you've done it, Lilaeth.

Hi, Lord Raijin!

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If she's pro-Circle but I'm a Blood Mage, do I get the option to corrupt her into this?

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As Evil Costume Switches go, it just needs some dye, cause it's pretty much the same outfit.

:devil:

Modifié par Sifr1449, 11 août 2013 - 06:01 .


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I support Sifr1449's idea.

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

Ausstig wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I suspect Viv to be arrogant, impulsive, and ill temperate.
The opposite of Wynne.

How is Wynne not arrogant? She is the most arrogant party member

Morrigan could compete against her for that title but yeah, Wynne would probably win.


I wouldn't say so. She can be annoying at times but with her side plot you can get her to agree with you and she admits that she's made mistakes in her past. Morrigan on the other-hand remains arrogant no matter what and then she gets all upset and won't sleep with you at a certain point. ****.

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You know how companions will have armour that reflects their personal style, I wonder how Vivi's erm ... Lady Gaga of the Dark Ages wardrobe will be reflected in other robes.

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Sifr1449 wrote...

If she's pro-Chantry but I'm a Blood Mage, do I get the option to corrupt her into this?

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As Evil Costume Switches go, it just needs some dye, cause it's pretty much the same outfit.

:devil:


...coincidence or not, but one of the daughters of Angelina Jolie, who plays Maleficent in the Disney movie, is called Vivienne :lol:.

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Thetford wrote...

You know how companions will have armour that reflects their personal style, I wonder how Vivi's erm ... Lady Gaga of the Dark Ages wardrobe will be reflected in other robes.


Not so much Lady Gaga as a tame pseudo-Renaissance version of Grace Jones, who like Vivienne is, to use US terminology, a 'person of colour' and, while not French, has personal ties to France (she lived and worked there for a while, and the father of her son is French).

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Maybe Vivienne will sing 'La vie en rose' (clicky link to the Grace Jones version below) sometime during DA:I? Would beat 'Leliana's song' ;).

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Inspiration for another magnificent piece of Orlesian headwear?

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 10 août 2013 - 02:36 .


#184
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Elton John is dead wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Ausstig wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I suspect Viv to be arrogant, impulsive, and ill temperate.
The opposite of Wynne.

How is Wynne not arrogant? She is the most arrogant party member

Morrigan could compete against her for that title but yeah, Wynne would probably win.


I wouldn't say so. She can be annoying at times but with her side plot you can get her to agree with you and she admits that she's made mistakes in her past. Morrigan on the other-hand remains arrogant no matter what and then she gets all upset and won't sleep with you at a certain point. ****.


This. Wynne listens to reason and pretty much has the right to lecture after reaching senior status in a medieval world. Even then, she will admit when he's swrong. Morrigan, however, will continue parroting her mother's Stupid Evil lessons even after you prove her wrong time and again.

Morrigan does grow herself, of course, but Wynne more readily acknowledges her mistakes.

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Elton John is dead wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Ausstig wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I suspect Viv to be arrogant, impulsive, and ill temperate.
The opposite of Wynne.

How is Wynne not arrogant? She is the most arrogant party member

Morrigan could compete against her for that title but yeah, Wynne would probably win.

I wouldn't say so. She can be annoying at times but with her side plot you can get her to agree with you and she admits that she's made mistakes in her past. Morrigan on the other-hand remains arrogant no matter what and then she gets all upset and won't sleep with you at a certain point. ****.

At least Morrigan puts out. A woman who puts out is automatically less arrogant than one who does not.

Seriously though, Wynne agrees with you only when you've met her approval, not the other way around. If you're a Blood Mage and admits it she outright fights you to the death rather than accept you. Wynne never changes herself for you, unlike Morrigan whom you can influence into becoming a different person.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 10 août 2013 - 11:59 .


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Wynne should have been a cougar and an old player like me should have been able to romance her.
I thought it likely since Gaider killed off Wynne that he would seek to create an antiWynne and Viv seems the likely candidate.

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almostinsane99 wrote...

Wynne listens to reason and pretty much has the right to lecture after reaching senior status in a medieval world. Even then, she will admit when she's swrong. 

(1) Senior status means less in a medieval world than it does in the modern world, since in the former physical violence is much more effective and essential.

(2) She will admit that she's wrong *about you*, i.e. she realizes that you actually conform to her set of morals unlike she previously believed. To me even when she admits she's wrong she sounds condescending - genuine, but condescending. It sounds more like a parent acknowledging the good behavior of their children rather than a friend who reaches actual understanding and compromise.

She never alters her own morals and principles because of your influence unlike Morrgan (and pretty much every other party member) does. She is simply too old to change. You may not call that arrogance but I would.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 11 août 2013 - 12:06 .


#188
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I hope Vivienne is voiced by Fran Drescher.

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Golden-Rose wrote...

I like her ridiculously Orlesian robe. I wonder what Varric's nickname for her will be?


I'm hoping for "Lace". Not only does it fit her fancy fashion sense, but she doesn't wear lace as far as I can see, so it'll probably get under her skin (if the speculation about Vivienne being arrogant is accurate).

Where did you guys learn that Vivienne is human? I haven't seen anything that mentioned her race.

Orlesian (who, aside from Lelianna, have all been arrogant), next to be First Enchanter, will set someone of fire if she doesn't get instant adulation? Right now, Vivienne sounds like a character who won't survive my playthroughs. Ever.

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hmmn, right now I don't think I'm going to like Vivienne. Then again, when we started getting hints for DA2 I was sure I'd hate Isabela and Varric would be boring. So very wrong.

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LethesDeep wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

I like her ridiculously Orlesian robe. I wonder what Varric's nickname for her will be?


I'm hoping for "Lace". Not only does it fit her fancy fashion sense, but she doesn't wear lace as far as I can see, so it'll probably get under her skin (if the speculation about Vivienne being arrogant is accurate).

Where did you guys learn that Vivienne is human? I haven't seen anything that mentioned her race.

Orlesian (who, aside from Lelianna, have all been arrogant), next to be First Enchanter, will set someone of fire if she doesn't get instant adulation? Right now, Vivienne sounds like a character who won't survive my playthroughs. Ever.


i have a feeling she might not survive my play through either. I hope that's not the case more info is needed. At this very early point in time the info I've come across, it does not bode well for the vivster! Lol. 

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LethesDeep wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

I like her ridiculously Orlesian robe. I wonder what Varric's nickname for her will be?


I'm hoping for "Lace". Not only does it fit her fancy fashion sense, but she doesn't wear lace as far as I can see, so it'll probably get under her skin (if the speculation about Vivienne being arrogant is accurate).

Where did you guys learn that Vivienne is human? I haven't seen anything that mentioned her race.

Orlesian (who, aside from Lelianna, have all been arrogant), next to be First Enchanter, will set someone of fire if she doesn't get instant adulation? Right now, Vivienne sounds like a character who won't survive my playthroughs. Ever.


I believe one of the devs (Gaidar?) confirmed it on Twitter.

She is also listed as human on the wiki.

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The developers have said Viv is human.

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Han Shot First wrote...

I believe one of the devs (Gaidar?) confirmed it on Twitter.

She is also listed as human on the wiki.


Ah, that explains it. I don't follow Twitter. Thank you.

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apple_sauced wrote...

Also, from here: http://dragonaging.t...s-new-companion

"If you are the kind of player who thinks that mages are a ticking time bomb and acts accordingly, you are going to have a hard time getting along with Vivienne."

A day later, pro-Circle but pro-mage pride still seems weird.

Does she want something emulating Tevinter? An institution of mages somewhat separate from the rest of the world, but without the supervision of the Chantry?

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Daralii wrote...

apple_sauced wrote...

Also, from here: http://dragonaging.t...s-new-companion

"If you are the kind of player who thinks that mages are a ticking time bomb and acts accordingly, you are going to have a hard time getting along with Vivienne."

A day later, pro-Circle but pro-mage pride still seems weird.

Does she want something emulating Tevinter? An institution of mages somewhat separate from the rest of the world, but without the supervision of the Chantry?


Well, think logically on this. Which fraternity in the circle is pro-mage and pro-circle? 

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apple_sauced wrote...

Also, from here: http://dragonaging.t...s-new-companion

"If you are the kind of player who thinks that mages are a ticking time bomb and acts accordingly, you are going to have a hard time getting along with Vivienne."


Wait. Looked at the Tumblr snap shot of the article. Is she being written by Luke Kristjanson? Didn't he write Aveline? Whelp, there goes the chance for a romance with Vivienne...
:whistle:

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Why does she look like Shaak Ti?

Damn Orlesians.....

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LinksOcarina wrote...


Well, think logically on this. Which fraternity in the circle is pro-mage and pro-circle? 




Lucrosians or Aequitarians, I'd guess. 

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Vit246 wrote...

Damn Orlesians.....


I know right? While everyone else would use stallions, destriers or coursers, the Orlesian cavalry would ride zebra.