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[ultimatekotorfan]

Estelindis wrote...

Are templars supposed to be celibate? I don't think so, given that Aveline was married to one. I think that would make being a warden the worse of the two. For me, wardens not being able to have children is a big deal... (Okay, I know it's only 100% impossible with another warden, but it's still much harder even if there's only one warden in the mix.)

That just means you try harder .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

MasterScribe wrote...

Can templars have "relations" with the Chantry sisters? If not, then they've got it worse.

The Chantry sisters may not have relations. Templars may have relations in the context of marriage, and marriage among templars is heavily restricted; you may not marry a Chantry sister, another Templar, or (even assuming he/she'd agree to it) a mage. You may not marry anybody who does not have some means of supporting themselves other than you, since you will not be spending that much time with your spouse. Finally, you will not be spending that much time with your spouse.

[dragondreamer]

As far as Templars having "relations", it sounded like they weren't an uncommon sight at the Blooming Rose. And we know they can marry. And they can have children, which is something difficult for Wardens.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Yeah, but I'm under the impression that they weren't supposed to be there.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Maybe Templar have chaste marriages like Sebastian?

[BouncyFrag]

Being Dalish trumps both.

[Cainhurst Crow]

MasterScribe wrote...

Can templars have "relations" with the Chantry sisters? If not, then they've got it worse.

Seeing as aveline was married to a templar, I'm going to go with no duh.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Wardens have a worse fate due to basically having an evil cancer-like corruption forming inside of them that will eventually corrode them. 30 years being a long time is something only the young would say. When you get closer and closer to that date, and realize all the things you won't be able to do, all the people you won't be able to be with anymore, you realize just how terrible a fate 30 years or sooner can be.

[elvici]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Wardens have a worse fate due to basically having an evil cancer-like corruption forming inside of them that will eventually corrode them. 30 years being a long time is something only the young would say. When you get closer and closer to that date, and realize all the things you won't be able to do, all the people you won't be able to be with anymore, you realize just how terrible a fate 30 years or sooner can be.

True enough, but since Thedas is apparently based loosely on medieval Europe, a 30 year post-adolescence lifespan is a pretty good shake of the stick. According to the BBC, "The average life expectancy for a male child born in the UK between 1276 and 1300 was 31.3 years... {therefore}, by the time the 13th-Century boy had reached 20 he could hope to live to 45, and if he made it to 30 he had a good chance of making it into his fifties." Pretty bleak prospects, even without a Blight, Qunari invasion, or torn metaphysical Veil to fret over. 

Point being, I'd take the Joining, taint and all, over the Chantry's brainwashing and micromanagement any day.

Modifié par elvici, 08 août 2013 - 06:29 .

[brushyourteeth]

elvici wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Wardens have a worse fate due to basically having an evil cancer-like corruption forming inside of them that will eventually corrode them. 30 years being a long time is something only the young would say. When you get closer and closer to that date, and realize all the things you won't be able to do, all the people you won't be able to be with anymore, you realize just how terrible a fate 30 years or sooner can be.

True enough, but since Thedas is apparently based loosely on medieval Europe, a 30 year post-adolescence lifespan is a pretty good shake of the stick. According to the BBC, "The average life expectancy for a male child born in the UK between 1276 and 1300 was 31.3 years... {therefore}, by the time the 13th-Century boy had reached 20 he could hope to live to 45, and if he made it to 30 he had a good chance of making it into his fifties." Pretty bleak prospects, even without a Blight, Qunari invasion, or torn metaphysical Veil to fret over. 

Point being, I'd take the Joining, taint and all, over the Chantry's brainwashing and micromanagement any day.

This is good info, but I think I'd be careful about drawing too close a parallel between real-life history and what's true in Thedas. They're not meant to be the same thing, after all.

[elvici]

brushyourteeth wrote...

This is good info, but I think I'd be careful about drawing too close a parallel between real-life history and what's true in Thedas. They're not meant to be the same thing, after all.

True again, but I don't remember seeing too many old codgers kicking about (outside of the sheltered confines of the nobility and Mage's circles) though, so am stubbornly sticking to my fantasy Olde Englerland re-enactment - complete with shirty peasants and buxom barmaids. 

Modifié par elvici, 09 août 2013 - 03:05 .

[brushyourteeth]

elvici wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

This is good info, but I think I'd be careful about drawing too close a parallel between real-life history and what's true in Thedas. They're not meant to be the same thing, after all.

True enough, but I don't remember seeing too many old codgers kicking about (outside of the sheltered confines of the nobility and Mage's circles) though, so am stubbornly sticking to my fantasy Olde Englerland re-enactment - complete with shirty peasants and buxom barmaids. 

You know, I'd never noticed, but you are so right -- you really don't see a lot of old people in DA! I always just figured it was a by-product of the industry's obsession with youth and beauty, but there could very well be a good reason for it in the lore. Hmm...

You see even fewer obese people (three that I can think of in DA:O, zero in DAII, and one in Dawn of the Seeker.)

[elvici]

brushyourteeth wrote...
You see even fewer obese people (three that I can think of in DA:O, zero in DAII, and one in Dawn of the Seeker.)

  See, now you've got me wracking my brains to recall the three in DA:O. I remember Lloyd the lardy landlord, and am assuming the Broodmothers aren't included (they deserve a break, bless 'em) ...so who am I missing?!

[ShaggyWolf]

I'd rather be a Warden. Life might be shorter, but unlike being a Templar, your only real obligation is to kill Darkspawn. And unlike most mages, they deserve it.

And the Calling just means that you get to go like a boss. Better than dying from old age and lyrium withdrawls.

[Bleachrude]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

Can templars have "relations" with the Chantry sisters? If not, then they've got it worse.

Seeing as aveline was married to a templar, I'm going to go with no duh.

Using aveline is actually not a good example...while marriage is possible didn't Gaider straight up say that you have to get permission from the knight commander and then there were MORE rules on top of that one being that the mate had to be able to support themselves.

A warden can get married and you can even adopt if you still want kids and it doesn't seem to be controlled in any form by the warden organization itself...

[Ianamus]

Wardens, definitely. Just joining in the first place has a high mortality rate and seems to be very unpleasant, and then if you do survive you are tainted by the blight, unlikely to have children and are bound to die in thirty years. If there's a blight up you also have to hear the call of the archdemon and if you are the one tasked to kill the archdemon your soul is destroyed permanently.

Templars may be addicted to Lyrium but as long as they are posted under a reasonable, sensible knight-commander like the one in Ferelden in the first game their task of watching the mages seems perfectly do-able, and they can live relatively normal lives outside of that.

Modifié par EJ107, 08 août 2013 - 07:35 .

[BouncyFrag]

elvici wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...
You see even fewer obese people (three that I can think of in DA:O, zero in DAII, and one in Dawn of the Seeker.)

  See, now you've got me wracking my brains to recall the three in DA:O. I remember Lloyd the lardy landlord, and am assuming the Broodmothers aren't included (they deserve a break, bless 'em) ...so who am I missing?!

The couple who discover the meteor metal ore in DA:O:


Agatha, the cook in Arl Eamon's Denerim Estate:


Credit this info from this amusing and somewhat contentious thread where Beerfish also has a good theory on the lack of overweight people in DA2:

Beerfish wrote...

The reason is obvious, Sten in DAO stole cookies from a fat kid and liked cake. The city is full of Quanri, obviously they have stolen and eaten all the goodies in the city.

Modifié par BouncyFrag, 08 août 2013 - 07:46 .

[brushyourteeth]

elvici wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...
You see even fewer obese people (three that I can think of in DA:O, zero in DAII, and one in Dawn of the Seeker.)

  See, now you've got me wracking my brains to recall the three in DA:O. I remember Lloyd the lardy landlord, and am assuming the Broodmothers aren't included (they deserve a break, bless 'em) ...so who am I missing?!

The only others I know of are the man and woman that pick up the Superman-easter egg baby that they find in a crater in that random encounter that happens while you're traveling. 

I always thought it was weird that they went to all the trouble of building a male and female overweight model and only used them twice and once. 

[PlasmaCheese]

The lady cook in DAO; I forget which estate she was in. I guess Arl Eamon's Denerim estate?? I can't remember. She's a bigg'un lol.

[PlasmaCheese]

Aw, someone already mentioned her. xD

[BouncyFrag]

PlasmaCheese wrote...

The lady cook in DAO; I forget which estate she was in. I guess Arl Eamon's Denerim estate?? I can't remember. She's a bigg'un lol.

look up a few posts

edit: you noticed, lol

Modifié par BouncyFrag, 08 août 2013 - 07:50 .

[Frozenkex]

Templars can stop using lyrium and go through withdrawal, no?

[elvici]

Well, that's it - next DAO playthrough, regardless of whether he/she is more or less tragic than those pesky Templars, my Warden will be sporting a fine set of moobs and puffing around, red-faced, in a ceaseless quest for pie. 

Am amazed I never noticed those chonkay body morphs before! Methinks it's time for young Cousland to more accurately represent a post-medieval European (read: Tudor) ideal of nobility... 




"Back away from the pie, Sten..."

Modifié par elvici, 08 août 2013 - 08:07 .

[BouncyFrag]

Frozenkex wrote...

Templars can stop using lyrium and go through withdrawal, no?

There was that one babbling Templar outside of the Denerim Chantry IIRC.

[BouncyFrag]

elvici wrote...

Well, that's it - next DAO playthrough, regardless of whether he/she is more or less tragic than those pesky Templars, my Warden will be sporting a fine set of moobs and puffing around, red-faced, in a ceaseless quest for pie. 

Am amazed I never noticed those chonkay body morphs before! Methinks it's time for young Cousland to more accurately represent a post-medieval European (read: Tudor) ideal of nobility... 

-snip-
"Back away from the pie, Sten..."

Good luck with that. I tried to make my Shepard an alcoholic in Mass Effect to no avail. I had hoped for an 'incoherent drunk' ending when they added the extended cut dlc for ME3.
*recalls Aria T'Loak's cold, indifferent glances as I would awake next to her after waaay to much drinking on the Citidel*

Modifié par BouncyFrag, 08 août 2013 - 08:17 .