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[Foolsfolly]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Just find myself curious as to the forums opinion on this matter: Duties aside, What do you feel would be a worse fate: Being addicted to lyrium where you will go a bit crazy without enough, going into withdrawl subject to hallucinations etc. (As seen in DAO with Irminric) and to where you go crazy after an extended period of taking it where you get extremely bad Dimentia etc (Its rumored it also disfigures you as reported about some Tevinter Magisters)

Or Being a Warden where your fine apart from nightmares and after 30 years have to take your calling or become a ghoul

Which is the worse fate?

Wardens.

They're essentially the walking dead. Actually, bring a Warden Bethany with you when you do Legacy and she even says as much. "I am dead."

It's heartbreaking.

Templars just turn into addicts. Wardens become ghouls.

[Mr.House]

Wardens.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Wardens.

At least Templars give me fancy garments.

[AtreiyaN7]

Drugged-up slaves who ultimately end up suffering from what seems like lyrium-induced dementia OR keeping my mental faculties intact but dying relatively early while suffering the occasional nightmare. I'm going to say that Wardens have it better and that templars are worse off (if they don't manage to kick their lyrium habit before it's too late ).

[Androme]

Worst fate? I'd be honoured to be a Grey Warden, or a Templar for that matter.

[Han Shot First]

I'd rather go out in combat against the darkspawn than have my brain scrambled by lyrium-addiction.

So Templars.

[Jackums]

Based solely on the physical effects of each, I'm saying Templars have it worse.

[iOnlySignIn]

Wardens.

I prefer being crazy or addicted to being dead.

Plus, if I were a Templar I'd have quit the Order to join a Lyrium smuggling ring. Problem solved.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 09 août 2013 - 12:51 .

[DeathScepter]

I do respect the Templars and see their importance. I am more of a Grey Warden, Taint and all.

[Augustei]

DeathScepter wrote...

I do respect the Templars and see their importance. I am more of a Grey Warden, Taint and all.

Think you missed the point though, was asking which suffers the worst fate not which you like better lol

[Sister Goldring]

The Wardens, being a warden sucked. They could have no family, were plagued by nightmares and the deep roads retirement plan was a total bummer particularly if you were a female warden.

From what I could tell the Templars got nice apartments and pretty much all the lyrium they could drink until they went a bit batty and annoying. Trumps broodmothering in the Deep Roads any day of the week.

[OLDIRTYBARON]

Honestly the Wardens have the worse fate of the two. Thirty years of nightmares (give or take) from darkspawn "group mind," or just plain old nightmares of the crap you see and do. Not to mention there's this nasty thing called The Calling where rather than become a ghoul you kill as many Darkspawn as you can before being consumed by them. Comparatively, if you survive 20 years of Guard Duty you can put in for a pension and retire to Val Royeaux to live the remainder of your years in peace and relative tranquility.

I mean really, do you want to die a little forgetful or in the dark surrounded by horrors who want nothing more than to rip you apart and eat the juicy bits (or worse, if you're a woman)?

[Dio Demon]

Liquid of Choice

Templar - Lyrium - I'd consider lyrium pretty much an addictive drug with enchancement capabilities but since it is controlled topside by the Chantry, it makes your choices very limited as not having lyrium can send a person into withdrawel, whilst destroying them mentally (as you saw the beginning stages with Caroll in DAO). So they have three choices work for the Chantry, work for someone else who can supply lyrium or find a way to kick the stuff of which there is no current precedent of someone doing so unless if you may include Alistair but his circumstances are shoddy at best, especially so due to the retcon of the ability to use Templar abilities without lyrium. Also long-term usage of lyrium will cause severe mental degredation.
   
Warden - Taint - Archdemons blood, mixed with darkspawn blood and little blood magic sprinkled on the top you get the Joining. If it doesn't kill you outright (because of you not having some immunity) it will kill you slowly to a maximum of 30 years. You get nightmares of the archdemon, the chance of you having a child severly decreases with every passing day and if you decide to pal around with darkspawn your taint clock goes down even faster. As a Warden you have some degree of freedom if you feel like fleeing the Wardens (as shown by Anders) you can do so as they don't have an overreliance on their Warden compatriots.

My opinion: The Wardens get the worst part of the bargain when it comes to the liquid of choice. So remember kids if you're offered taint-in-a-chalice or lyrium. Don't drink the taint-in-a-chalice snort the lyrium!

Coming soon: Social rammifications, abilities vs disadvantages and economic priviledges.

Current score: Wardens - 1 Templars - 0

Modifié par Crazy Eyed One, 09 août 2013 - 09:43 .

[Rolling Flame]

Wardens, definitely.

[TK514]

Wardens, no contest.

[fchopin]

They are both monsters so it is hard to pick.
Wardens turn in to monsters and Templers are drunk with Lyrium so not much difference.

[TheGunslinger]

Wardens for sure.

[ladyiolanthe]

I'd have to go with the Wardens, too. Templars can lead relatively normal lives even if they're drug addicts. Wardens sacrifice pretty much everything to save everyone else - life, family, dignity (as the taint takes over), honour (if they adopt the 'whatever it takes' attitude) - all they have left is duty. It seems especially harsh when you're a warden between Blights, because then everyone thinks you're just a parasite on society - on top of everything else that sucks about being a Grey Warden.

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 09 août 2013 - 04:45 .

[DeathScepter]

XxDeonxX wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

I do respect the Templars and see their importance. I am more of a Grey Warden, Taint and all.

Think you missed the point though, was asking which suffers the worst fate not which you like better lol

Templars has the worst fate due to their addicts. I haven't missed the point. My original post implies that I would rather go in The Calling than rather be a drug addict.

[Nyx_Necrodragon]

Templars at least when you go on the calling nobody'll see your corpse. As a Templar you end up becoming a mindless gibbering vegtable essentially and for what? To keep an eye on mages? Just seems like a waste.

[frostajulie]

brushyourteeth wrote...

I'm giving this thread five starts just because the OP remembered Irminric.


I'd say... being a Templar is worse.

As a Warden, you may not be recognized by anyone for your sacrifice, and you may not even be able to do anything considered especially heroic besides thinning out the darkspawn numbers. But you at least have a camaraderie with your fellows and know for certain that you're doing something useful with your life. Depending on your circumstances, it may have been the means by which you escaped a life that was much worse.

As a Templar, unless you're either very devoted to the Chantry and very convinced that what you're doing is the Maker's will, you're not going to have any sense of job fulfillment, period. You're basically a jailer, and part of your job involves tearing people away from their families and killing or mentally neutering them if they're suspicious. You're a constant target for violence from the people you live with (mages) and your comrades could be attacked at any time around you. Regardless of what the priests say, you live with the ghosts of all the terrible things you've done and witnessed done, and chances are high that your friendships with your fellows are shallow and guarded. Many of them will love cruelty for cruelty's sake, and those that don't aren't likely to open up about it for fear of being suspect, so you'll have a hard time finding comfort in their friendship too. Add lyrium addiction to all that and little chance of a spouse or family and it sounds like a pretty crappy life. :/

Yeah and this should be a poll

[Angrywolves]

wardens easily.

[Monochrome Wench]

I say Warden. I also make a distinction between "life" and "fate". While I think that Templars might have a worse life, I think the ultimate fate of Wardens is worse. It really depends on how conscious each is to the effects of their final fate. Do the Templars realize they are going mad? If not, then its not that *bad* for the person experiencing it. Wardens on the other hand seem to be quite aware of what's happening, and that would be pretty terrifying finding yourself becoming more like the thing you are supposed to destroy.

[Eternal Phoenix]

elvici wrote...

And their armour is way sexier, too. 

Nope, templar armour is the best.

Concerning the OP:

The Warden and Alistair don't need lyrium for their abilities if they choose to advance up the templar spec. Alistair even states that he believes the Chantry uses it just to control the templars and that it may not really have any real effect. It's said to enhance templar abilities but we don't know if that's true or not. I'd imagine addiction to lyrium is like an addiction to drugs which can be cured. Meanwhile are we sure the templar is even forced to take it?

The templar who doesn't take lyrium ends up living the better life. They live to a old age (if not killed by demons or blood mages) and suffer nothing. Wardens on the otherhand live a significantly shorter life and then start succumbing to their taint where they must embark on their Calling which ends with them taking tons of darkspawn down with them. Their death there might even be painful too.

And who said the templar isn't free to roam the world? I remember in Awakening there was a reference to a templar who was checking up on a farm every now and then to see if everyone in there was alright (because they were under threat of bandits) and in DA2 we see Ser Immeric in the Blooming Rose. So it seems the senior ones are free to go where they want when duty does not call them.

It all depends I guess.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 10 août 2013 - 06:39 .

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Id say wardens, at least templars can leave and get lyrium from the dwarves, but wardens cant get un-tainted