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[ziloe]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

ziloe wrote...
I'm loving the news that we can pick various races again. Though, it's my understanding that it's also at the cost of our origin stories.

Careful when you say "origin stories". Someone might hear "origin" and think the playable origins from DAO. That was never in the cards, and that's why we called our original plan "backgrounds" instead.

There's too much reactivity during the game to that initial choice to allow for both race options as well as background options for each race. Much as that sounds cool to anyone who believe more is more, in this case it would have to come with the cost of either removing planned content from each of those variations (so they're individually smaller in scope) or... from somewhere else. We didn't want to do that, so the race/class combo effectively becomes the new background choice (along with all the subsequent reactivity).

I know this might be a bit much to ask, but perhaps once the game is out over a year from now, could you perhaps tell us what those planned origins for the then human-only inquisitor would be? I'm always fascinated by what's left on the cutting room floor.

I would like to know this too, though, it hurt to know they had more planned for DA2, that didn't make it.

[Fredward]

Nrieh wrote...

David Gaider wrote:

the race/class combo effectively becomes the new background choice (along with all the subsequent reactivity).

While reacitvity is really good, I don't think I understand how it works (well, probably, at this moment no one does, not even devs )

Does it mean, that for each race there are actually several possible different combos that may change something? Like human-rouge or human-warrior - are those the same character or not?

I'd say not. A human + warrior would be different from a elf + warrior and a human + rogue would be different from a human + warrior. I think. Mages might have the Circle in common again though.

[Potato Cat]

MisanthropePrime wrote...
I know this might be a bit much to ask, but perhaps once the game is out over a year from now, could you perhaps tell us what those planned origins for the then human-only inquisitor would be? I'm always fascinated by what's left on the cutting room floor.

Me too. Usually I'm like thank god that was left out but it's interesting nonetheless. Especially when I personally thought out a lot of (reasonable) possibilities .

[In Exile]

David Gaider wrote...

ziloe wrote...
I'm loving the news that we can pick various races again. Though, it's my understanding that it's also at the cost of our origin stories.

Careful when you say "origin stories". Someone might hear "origin" and think the playable origins from DAO. That was never in the cards, and that's why we called our original plan "backgrounds" instead.

There's too much reactivity during the game to that initial choice to allow for both race options as well as background options for each race. Much as that sounds cool to anyone who believe more is more, in this case it would have to come with the cost of either removing planned content from each of those variations (so they're individually smaller in scope) or... from somewhere else. We didn't want to do that, so the race/class combo effectively becomes the new background choice (along with all the subsequent reactivity).

Is it to early to ask how the game will deal with potentially exclusive class based or raced based backgrounds? We can easily imagine that an apostate mage is not like a former circle mage, and that a dalish elf is not like a city elf  (or that a dwarf from Kal Sharok is different from an Orzammar one). 

[Nerevar-as]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

David Gaider wrote:

the race/class combo effectively becomes the new background choice (along with all the subsequent reactivity).

While reacitvity is really good, I don't think I understand how it works (well, probably, at this moment no one does, not even devs )

Does it mean, that for each race there are actually several possible different combos that may change something? Like human-rouge or human-warrior - are those the same character or not?

I'd say not. A human + warrior would be different from a elf + warrior and a human + rogue would be different from a human + warrior. I think. Mages might have the Circle in common again though.

I´d say warriors and rogues would be much the same, unless development trees have race specific skills. Same with mages, unless they make the elf be dalish somehow, then s/he should have keeper skills the human shouldn´t. I guess it´s too much asking, but it would be great.

And OT, but if Varric is a companion, will there be a plot reason he´s gone down 20+ levels?

[Kidd]

Nerevar-as wrote...

And OT, but if Varric is a companion, will there be a plot reason he´s gone down 20+ levels?

Probably not. Leliana, Isabela and Anders fell in level quite a bit to fit with their new protagonists, after all.

[ziloe]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

And OT, but if Varric is a companion, will there be a plot reason he´s gone down 20+ levels?

Probably not. Leliana, Isabela and Anders fell in level quite a bit to fit with their new protagonists, after all.

How would you know about the other levels, aside from Anders?

[NRieh]

I'd say not. A human + warrior would be different from a elf + warrior and a human + rogue would be different from a human + warrior.

But...that means 'backgrounds', and we don't have them...or do we?..
Aren't we supposed to have one preset elf, one preset dwarf and one preset human?

[Taleroth]

Nrieh wrote...

I'd say not. A human + warrior would be different from a elf + warrior and a human + rogue would be different from a human + warrior.

But...that means 'backgrounds', and we don't have them...or do we?..
Aren't we supposed to have one preset elf, one preset dwarf and one preset human?

Backgrounds refers specifically to past history. Reactivity is how the game responds to something.

These are distinct, albeit often related, things.

The game reacting to you being an elven rogue is not a background. The game claiming that you're an elf from a dalish clan would be.

Modifié par Taleroth, 08 août 2013 - 09:54 .

[Dave of Canada]

Nerevar-as wrote...

And OT, but if Varric is a companion, will there be a plot reason he´s gone down 20+ levels?

Muscle atrophy from spending 20+ hours telling Cassandra about Hawke.

[clownchow8]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

And OT, but if Varric is a companion, will there be a plot reason he´s gone down 20+ levels?

Muscle atrophy from spending 20+ hours telling Cassandra about Hawke.

Bahahahahahaha

[Taleroth]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

And OT, but if Varric is a companion, will there be a plot reason he´s gone down 20+ levels?

Muscle atrophy from spending 20+ hours telling Cassandra about Hawke.

I would sooner think that maybe he just lied about everything in DA2 and never got off his arse.

[Nerevar-as]

ziloe wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

And OT, but if Varric is a companion, will there be a plot reason he´s gone down 20+ levels?

Probably not. Leliana, Isabela and Anders fell in level quite a bit to fit with their new protagonists, after all.

How would you know about the other levels, aside from Anders?

Isabella had an especialization, that puts her at least in 7. But Leliana only appeared in cutscenes, so no way to tell.

[ziloe]

Nerevar-as wrote...

ziloe wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

And OT, but if Varric is a companion, will there be a plot reason he´s gone down 20+ levels?

Probably not. Leliana, Isabela and Anders fell in level quite a bit to fit with their new protagonists, after all.

How would you know about the other levels, aside from Anders?

Isabella had an especialization, that puts her at least in 7. But Leliana only appeared in cutscenes, so no way to tell.

Too bad the last DA2 DLC didn't come out, I heard Leliana might have been a bonus companion.

[ziloe]

Taleroth wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

And OT, but if Varric is a companion, will there be a plot reason he´s gone down 20+ levels?

Muscle atrophy from spending 20+ hours telling Cassandra about Hawke.

I would sooner think that maybe he just lied about everything in DA2 and never got off his arse.

I'm surprised he didn't die when he stood up.

[LPPrince]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

And OT, but if Varric is a companion, will there be a plot reason he´s gone down 20+ levels?

Muscle atrophy from spending 20+ hours telling Cassandra about Hawke.

You know, at the end of DA2 it seemed like Varric and Cassandra were on the same page. Felt bad for each other.

I think I'm going to enjoy seeing them on the same team.

[ziloe]

LPPrince wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

And OT, but if Varric is a companion, will there be a plot reason he´s gone down 20+ levels?

Muscle atrophy from spending 20+ hours telling Cassandra about Hawke.

You know, at the end of DA2 it seemed like Varric and Cassandra were on the same page. Felt bad for each other.

I think I'm going to enjoy seeing them on the same team.

Yeah, I'm definitely interested in seeing that dynamic too.

[JamieCOTC]

Honestly, reactivity to race and class makes more sense than reactivity to an origin story you never get to play which is what backgrounds seemed to have been.

[Dave of Canada]

LPPrince wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

And OT, but if Varric is a companion, will there be a plot reason he´s gone down 20+ levels?

Muscle atrophy from spending 20+ hours telling Cassandra about Hawke.

You know, at the end of DA2 it seemed like Varric and Cassandra were on the same page. Felt bad for each other.

I think I'm going to enjoy seeing them on the same team.

Alistair/Leliana/Morrigan was my go-to team for Origins, Varric/Isabela/Aveline was my go-to team in DA2.

It's a damn shame I already know my DA:I team is going to be Varric/Cassandra/whocares.

[ziloe]

Dave of Canada wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

And OT, but if Varric is a companion, will there be a plot reason he´s gone down 20+ levels?

Muscle atrophy from spending 20+ hours telling Cassandra about Hawke.

You know, at the end of DA2 it seemed like Varric and Cassandra were on the same page. Felt bad for each other.

I think I'm going to enjoy seeing them on the same team.

Alistair/Leliana/Morrigan was my go-to team for Origins, Varric/Isabela/Aveline was my go-to team in DA2.

It's a damn shame I already know my DA:I team is going to be Varric/Cassandra/whocares.

From the pre alpha footage I watched, it didn't exactly look like we even had a party.

[ziloe]

bump

[Jackums]

David Gaider wrote...

Careful when you say "origin stories". Someone might hear "origin" and think the playable origins from DAO. That was never in the cards, and that's why we called our original plan "backgrounds" instead.

There's too much reactivity during the game to that initial choice to allow for both race options as well as background options for each race. Much as that sounds cool to anyone who believe more is more, in this case it would have to come with the cost of either removing planned content from each of those variations (so they're individually smaller in scope) or... from somewhere else. We didn't want to do that, so the race/class combo effectively becomes the new background choice (along with all the subsequent reactivity).

This was how I assumed things were going to work once I saw that multiple player races were announced, and I'm fine with it. It was either a human male/female with a selectable (but not playable) background, or a choice of at least three races which have "backgrounds" tied to them based on the race/class selections, from what I understand.

The latter clearly seems the more diverse and interesting, IMO. I'm totally cool with it.

Modifié par JackumsD, 09 août 2013 - 12:45 .

[kinderschlager]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

David Gaider wrote:

the race/class combo effectively becomes the new background choice (along with all the subsequent reactivity).

While reacitvity is really good, I don't think I understand how it works (well, probably, at this moment no one does, not even devs )

Does it mean, that for each race there are actually several possible different combos that may change something? Like human-rouge or human-warrior - are those the same character or not?

I'd say not. A human + warrior would be different from a elf + warrior and a human + rogue would be different from a human + warrior. I think. Mages might have the Circle in common again though.

i hope not. being an apostate was the ONE redeeming value of DA:2. i have been wanting a dalish mage forever and ever (meaning had keeper training instead of getting shunted to the circle. never got that in DA:O. pick dalish, pick mage, get stuck in tower....even though dalish teach thier mages thier own way)

[ziloe]

kinderschlager wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

David Gaider wrote:

the race/class combo effectively becomes the new background choice (along with all the subsequent reactivity).

While reacitvity is really good, I don't think I understand how it works (well, probably, at this moment no one does, not even devs )

Does it mean, that for each race there are actually several possible different combos that may change something? Like human-rouge or human-warrior - are those the same character or not?

I'd say not. A human + warrior would be different from a elf + warrior and a human + rogue would be different from a human + warrior. I think. Mages might have the Circle in common again though.

i hope not. being an apostate was the ONE redeeming value of DA:2. i have been wanting a dalish mage forever and ever (meaning had keeper training instead of getting shunted to the circle. never got that in DA:O. pick dalish, pick mage, get stuck in tower....even though dalish teach thier mages thier own way)

Hopefully they actually acknowledge your being an apostate this time, similar to how they may acknowledge race, etc.