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[Heimdall]

Thetford wrote...

Well, if the sole survivor of the town burning down thing is true, it means our mages will be apostates (otherwise they would've been in the Circle), I wonder if that will be reflected in dialogue?

The circles would have been dissolved by now.

[Star fury]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

With the Game Informer article, we mention that we were able to bring back races as a result of pushing the game back a year.

I hope EA will give you and the team enough time to make a polished game, like Origins, even if it takes 5 years to finish it.

[Olmerto]

David Gaider wrote...

There's too much reactivity during the game to that initial choice to allow for both race options as well as background options for each race. Much as that sounds cool to anyone who believe more is more, in this case it would have to come with the cost of either removing planned content from each of those variations (so they're individually smaller in scope) or... from somewhere else. We didn't want to do that, so the race/class combo effectively becomes the new background choice (along with all the subsequent reactivity).

So if you play a human, which I usually do, then you get... nothing? No background choices in the game, and your race isn't notable so no reactivity to that. Gee thanks. I'd have much preferred the planned background choices with no other races and the game released on schedule.

[NRieh]

So if you play a human, which I usually do, then you get... nothing? No background choices in the game, and your race isn't notable so no reactivity to that.

That's what bothers me too, but there is a chance, that each race will, probably, get several class-race combos, each with separate background. Because 3 backgrounds (1 per race) sounds...bad (actually, worse than just 'bad'). E.g. human-warrior was a templar, human-rogue was a merc, human-mage was from circle etc.
Plus you're not entirely correct about 'no reactivity for humans' - I'm sure elves and qunari will provide a human with a lot of reactivity ))

[Olmerto]

Nrieh wrote...

Plus you're not entirely correct about 'no reactivity for humans' - I'm sure elves and qunari will provide a human with a lot of reactivity ))

I'd assume that since humans were "in" originally, as were non-PC elves and dwarves, that that level of reactivity was already there anyway. As I wrote, this choice appears to deprive humans of any real background reactivity that we otherwise would have received.

[Gewehr_fr]

What I'm getting from D.Gaider's post is that each race will have the exact same backstory.

Effectively no background at all, apart from reactivity from NPCs based and your race and class choices.

That's kinda backtracking, but I suppose it's a trade off for offering us the possibility to play as elves and dwarves.

[The Spirit of Dance]

Wait... I can be an elf again? Well this is a pleasant surprise after leaving BSN alone for a week.

[NRieh]

What I'm getting from D.Gaider's post is that each race will have the exact same backstory.

Same background for human, elf, dwarf and (probably) qunari?.. It's like what? He had fallen from the sky during that little incident with a torn Veil and does not remember anything about his-her past (did not stop from leading the inquisition)?.. 8P

[Taleroth]

Nrieh wrote...

What I'm getting from D.Gaider's post is that each race will have the exact same backstory.

Same background for human, elf, dwarf and (probably) qunari?.. It's like what? He had fallen from the sky during that little incident with a torn Veil and does not remember anything about his-her past (did not stop from leading the inquisition)?.. 8P

Or maybe his past is simply irrelevant.

It's not like the backgrounds for Shepard were game changing. You could completely miss the ONE WHOLE MISSION and SINGLE LINE OF DIALOGUE without a problem.

Modifié par Taleroth, 10 août 2013 - 05:22 .

[Argahawk]

Or maybe we will find out more about our past with game progress ?

[Olmerto]

It's true that ME-like backgrounds are vastly inferior to playable origins and are probably minor and forgettable. But that sort of begs the question why they had to eliminate backgrounds to make way for other races?

But it is what it is. We weren't getting origin stories anyway.

[CARL_DF90]

Totally unexpected but most welcomed bomb-shell. Thank you!

[Texhnolyze101]

David Gaider wrote...

ziloe wrote...
I'm loving the news that we can pick various races again. Though, it's my understanding that it's also at the cost of our origin stories.

Careful when you say "origin stories". Someone might hear "origin" and think the playable origins from DAO. That was never in the cards, and that's why we called our original plan "backgrounds" instead.

There's too much reactivity during the game to that initial choice to allow for both race options as well as background options for each race. Much as that sounds cool to anyone who believe more is more, in this case it would have to come with the cost of either removing planned content from each of those variations (so they're individually smaller in scope) or... from somewhere else. We didn't want to do that, so the race/class combo effectively becomes the new background choice (along with all the subsequent reactivity).

This doesn't sound like a bad trade off i kinda like it.

[dragondreamer]

I'd also be on-board with the whole "OMG I FELL FROM THE SKY AND REMEMBER NOTHING" pc for plot purposes. At that point the character might just have to make assumptions about themselves. If they're an elf with face tattoos they might just go, "okay, so I'm Dalish?" Which may or may not be true, but the way a character views themselves can have as much impact as where they actually come from.

[In Exile]

As I keep saying - as long as we're not forced to be Dalish it's all good. Ont alternatively, if we're forced to be Dalish we should be able to express another view of what being elven means.

[NRieh]

It's not like the backgrounds for Shepard were game changing. You could completely miss the ONE WHOLE MISSION and SINGLE LINE OF DIALOGUE without a problem.

Two missions. Plus a codex entry and some dialogues Not to mention plenty of headcanons.
If you follow that logic- how 'changing' was DAO with its origins? It was exactly same story.

As I keep saying - as long as we're not forced to be Dalish it's all good.

True. My Human is going to have a reeeally complicated PT, if they force him to be Dalish... 8E

[Taleroth]

Nrieh wrote...

It's not like the backgrounds for Shepard were game changing. You could completely miss the ONE WHOLE MISSION and SINGLE LINE OF DIALOGUE without a problem.

Two missions. Plus a codex entry and some dialogues Not to mention plenty of headcanons.
If you follow that logic- how 'changing' was DAO with its origins? It was exactly same story.

DAO's origins weren't very changing at all.

They were nice. Their absence would not have meant the PC had amnesia.

[MarchWaltz]

Taleroth wrote...
DAO's origins weren't very changing at all.

They were nice. Their absence would not have meant the PC had amnesia.

Uh, to me, it's very important. I mean, I am pretty sure peeps who made a human wanted to murder Howe. My first char was a human, and my driving force was to eventually avenge my family (the bastard killed a CHILD).

When I played my city elf, it was more of a it's either this or cause trouble for your alienage, and eventually change things there for the better.

Didn't really play a dwarf.

But yeah, the origin stories basically made the game, for me at least.

Modifié par MarchWaltz, 10 août 2013 - 09:13 .

[Taleroth]

MarchWaltz wrote...

Taleroth wrote...
DAO's origins weren't very changing at all.

They were nice. Their absence would not have meant the PC had amnesia.

Uh, to me, it's very important. I mean, I am pretty sure peeps who made a human wanted to murder Howe. My first char was a human, and my driving force was to eventually avenge my family (the bastard killed a CHILD).

When I played my city elf, it was more of a it's either this or cause trouble for your alienage, and eventually change things there for the better.

Didn't really play a dwarf.

But yeah, the origin stories basically made the game, for me at least.

And if you hadn't wanted to murder Howe, you still would have wanted to murder Loghaine. You could have wanted to murder Howe simply because he was such a jerk. Or changed the alienage because you came to respect them, or felt you wanted to.

Or simply entered into the game with that as part of the kind of character you wanted to play to start with, as it should be for RPGs. Creating your own character, not having the DM create it for you.

[Shadow Fox]

Taleroth wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

What I'm getting from D.Gaider's post is that each race will have the exact same backstory.

Same background for human, elf, dwarf and (probably) qunari?.. It's like what? He had fallen from the sky during that little incident with a torn Veil and does not remember anything about his-her past (did not stop from leading the inquisition)?.. 8P

Or maybe his past is simply irrelevant.

It's not like the backgrounds for Shepard were game changing. You could completely miss the ONE WHOLE MISSION and SINGLE LINE OF DIALOGUE without a problem.

Like in Amalur** or any TES game.

[ziloe]

Olmert wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

There's too much reactivity during the game to that initial choice to allow for both race options as well as background options for each race. Much as that sounds cool to anyone who believe more is more, in this case it would have to come with the cost of either removing planned content from each of those variations (so they're individually smaller in scope) or... from somewhere else. We didn't want to do that, so the race/class combo effectively becomes the new background choice (along with all the subsequent reactivity).

So if you play a human, which I usually do, then you get... nothing? No background choices in the game, and your race isn't notable so no reactivity to that. Gee thanks. I'd have much preferred the planned background choices with no other races and the game released on schedule.

Uhh... how do you manage to make that assumption? If you're a human, some elves will hate you. That's plenty of reactivity!

[ziloe]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

What I'm getting from D.Gaider's post is that each race will have the exact same backstory.

Same background for human, elf, dwarf and (probably) qunari?.. It's like what? He had fallen from the sky during that little incident with a torn Veil and does not remember anything about his-her past (did not stop from leading the inquisition)?.. 8P

Or maybe his past is simply irrelevant.

It's not like the backgrounds for Shepard were game changing. You could completely miss the ONE WHOLE MISSION and SINGLE LINE OF DIALOGUE without a problem.

Like in Amalur** or any TES game.

Wait, you can miss something about yourself in Amalur?