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[dragondreamer]

Taleroth wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...

Spirit Healers are no more unusual than Blood Mages. One is communicating with spirits while the other deals with demons. Possession is something both types of mages try to avoid in most circumstances.

That's not really how either works. Spirits healers are possessed.

Blood Mages don't require demons at all. Blood Magic actually has its origins with dragons. Though it's disputed that the elves came up with it first. Demons are just an easy source of the information.

We don't actually know the origins of blood magic, just speculation.  But all blood magic requires dealing with a demon.  At least what is formally known as blood magic.  

And Spirit Healers aren't possessed.  Wynne, and Anders for that matter aren't normal cases.

"It should also be noted that the calling of a spirit healer is a dangerous one. Contacting anything beyond the Veil inevitably draws the notice of demons, sometimes very powerful ones. More than one tale exists of a spirit healer being fooled by a demon masquerading as a benevolent spirit, and inadvertently bringing them across the Veil... or being tricked into letting down their guard, and possessed. As such, once a mage becomes a Spirit Healer they must especially heighten their vigilance for the remainder of their lives. It is a calling that not all will gladly suffer."

http://dragonage.wik.../Spirit_healers

[Foolsfolly]

Mr Cloud wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Blood Mages don't require demons at all. Blood Magic actually has its origins with dragons. Though it's disputed that the elves came up with it first. Demons are just an easy source of the information.

Yeah, but some may have it confused thanks to DA2, where 90% blood mages turn (full retard) to demons for power. Which is kinda ironic, especially when you've played DA:O mage origins and saw what Jowan could do without.

They have to turn to demons because the Chantry's good at its job. They destroyed a lot of the books and lore around blood magic. But demons? They remember blood magic just fine and they're willing to teach you for the right price.

Prohibition, man. Never works, eh?

[Taleroth]

dragondreamer wrote...

But all blood magic requires dealing with a demon.  At least what is formally known as blood magic.  

I'll concede on spirit healers, but this is simply untrue.

[Fast Jimmy]

We don't actually know the origins of blood magic, just speculation.  But all blood magic requires dealing with a demon.  At least what is formally known as blood magic.  

And Spirit Healers aren't possessed.  Wynne, and Anders for that matter aren't normal cases.

"It should also be noted that the calling of a spirit healer is a dangerous one. Contacting anything beyond the Veil inevitably draws the notice of demons, sometimes very powerful ones. More than one tale exists of a spirit healer being fooled by a demon masquerading as a benevolent spirit, and inadvertently bringing them across the Veil... or being tricked into letting down their guard, and possessed. As such, once a mage becomes a Spirit Healer they must especially heighten their vigilance for the remainder of their lives. It is a calling that not all will gladly suffer."

http://dragonage.wik.../Spirit_healers

"...inadvertantly brought them across the veil..." if you are bringing a spirit across from the veil, it needs a host to survive in. That's why some demons become skeletons or zombies (or even Sylvans), because there is no living host for them to attach to.

It may not be spelled out, but the only two Spirit Healers we've seen in the lore have been, more or less, hosts to their respective spirits.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 08 août 2013 - 08:25 .

[Foolsfolly]

The more I think about it... the more I think they should have just renamed the Spirit Healer spec in DA2. Hell, even call it Support Magic. It'd fit next to Force Mage and Blood Magic.

[dragondreamer]

Taleroth wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...

But all blood magic requires dealing with a demon.  At least what is formally known as blood magic.  

I'll concede on spirit healers, but this is simply untrue.

Anders states at one point that to be a blood mage you have to deal with a demon.  I've seen nothing to contradict this.  

[Huntress]

Mage: Force mage
Rogues :Gear Black colour..
Warriors: Duel Wield.

Modifié par Huntress, 08 août 2013 - 09:45 .

[Fast Jimmy]

dragondreamer wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...

But all blood magic requires dealing with a demon.  At least what is formally known as blood magic.  

I'll concede on spirit healers, but this is simply untrue.

Anders states at one point that to be a blood mage you have to deal with a demon.  I've seen nothing to contradict this.  

You can buy a book in DA:O? Or just randomly learn it by hitting Level 9 in DA2?

Anders also references some Mages learning blood magic by getting into accidents where they started bleeding profusely. It is a natural form of magic, just like anything else. It can just be used for great evil, and was banned.

[Foolsfolly]

dragondreamer wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...

But all blood magic requires dealing with a demon.  At least what is formally known as blood magic.  

I'll concede on spirit healers, but this is simply untrue.

Anders states at one point that to be a blood mage you have to deal with a demon.  I've seen nothing to contradict this.  

Jowan learned blood magic via books. The Warden can learn blood magic via a book (or a desire demon or the Baroness). That prositute in DA2 learned it from a book.

...although that book seems possessed somehow or something. It's a weird book.

[dragondreamer]

Fast Jimmy wrote...


"...inadvertantly brought them across the veil..." if you are bringing a spirit across from the veil, it needs a host to survive in. That's why some demons become skeletons or zombies (or even Sylvans), because there is no living host for them to attach to.

It may not be spelled out, but the only two Spirit Healers we've seen in the lore have been, more or less, hosts to their respective spirits.

You can't be possessed if you're already possessed.  If Spirit Healers were already possessed, they wouldn't need to be cautious of being possessed by demons for the rest of their lives.

[dragondreamer]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...

But all blood magic requires dealing with a demon.  At least what is formally known as blood magic.  

I'll concede on spirit healers, but this is simply untrue.

Anders states at one point that to be a blood mage you have to deal with a demon.  I've seen nothing to contradict this.  

You can buy a book in DA:O? Or just randomly learn it by hitting Level 9 in DA2?

Anders also references some Mages learning blood magic by getting into accidents where they started bleeding profusely. It is a natural form of magic, just like anything else. It can just be used for great evil, and was banned.

Game mechanics aside, who's to say the book isn't just instructions on how to contact demons?  And demons prey on mages in weakened states, that was demonstrated repeatedly in DA2.

[Fast Jimmy]

dragondreamer wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...


"...inadvertantly brought them across the veil..." if you are bringing a spirit across from the veil, it needs a host to survive in. That's why some demons become skeletons or zombies (or even Sylvans), because there is no living host for them to attach to.

It may not be spelled out, but the only two Spirit Healers we've seen in the lore have been, more or less, hosts to their respective spirits.

You can't be possessed if you're already possessed.  If Spirit Healers were already possessed, they wouldn't need to be cautious of being possessed by demons for the rest of their lives.

In the DA2 sominari quest, we see multiple demons fighting for control of Feynriel. Who's to say a Pride Demon wouldn't try and take control of the human host from the benevelont spirit, by hook or crook means?

[Maria Caliban]

Reaver.

Enemies are good eatin'.

Taleroth wrote...

Spirits healers are possessed.

Only demons possess.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 08 août 2013 - 08:51 .

[MisanthropePrime]

I've always liked when rogues in other settings have some command over magic to some degree. Warriors got three specializations that let them use magic to a degree (Reaver, Templar and Spirit Warrior) but rogues got none. I'd really like something like that rogues, say a "fade shanker" or something.

[Fredward]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...


"...inadvertantly brought them across the veil..." if you are bringing a spirit across from the veil, it needs a host to survive in. That's why some demons become skeletons or zombies (or even Sylvans), because there is no living host for them to attach to.

It may not be spelled out, but the only two Spirit Healers we've seen in the lore have been, more or less, hosts to their respective spirits.

You can't be possessed if you're already possessed.  If Spirit Healers were already possessed, they wouldn't need to be cautious of being possessed by demons for the rest of their lives.

In the DA2 sominari quest, we see multiple demons fighting for control of Feynriel. Who's to say a Pride Demon wouldn't try and take control of the human host from the benevelont spirit, by hook or crook means?

I know! Imagine a human/demon/spirit hybrid. Oh the polarities.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I really want a proper Duelist this time. That specializes in a sword in one hand and nothing in the other.

[dragondreamer]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...


"...inadvertantly brought them across the veil..." if you are bringing a spirit across from the veil, it needs a host to survive in. That's why some demons become skeletons or zombies (or even Sylvans), because there is no living host for them to attach to.

It may not be spelled out, but the only two Spirit Healers we've seen in the lore have been, more or less, hosts to their respective spirits.

You can't be possessed if you're already possessed.  If Spirit Healers were already possessed, they wouldn't need to be cautious of being possessed by demons for the rest of their lives.

In the DA2 sominari quest, we see multiple demons fighting for control of Feynriel. Who's to say a Pride Demon wouldn't try and take control of the human host from the benevelont spirit, by hook or crook means?

Perhaps not out of the question, but I'm very sure someone in the games said a possessed mage can't be possessed.  I want to say it was Wynne, but it might've been Anders.  If it isn't considered a common thing, I don't think it would be a well-known risk for Spirit Healers.

Again, the in-game description of Spirit Healers describe them as summoning, not being possessed.

"Not all things to come from the Fade are harmful. While maleficarum summon and control demons from the Fade, some mages within the Circle of Magi seek to summon spirits that do not feed on the darker side of the psyche."

"In effect, the healer attracts the attention of a benevolent spirit through the Veil, and that spirit uses its abilities on the mage's behalf."

[The Baconer]

Mage: Arcane Warrior or Battlemage

A melee spec with powerful spells that either manifest as attacks or as temporary buffs such as: elemental damage, cleave, bash, attack speed boost etc. However, lacks any defensive abilities.

[Mello]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Mage: Necromancer, Allow you to resurrect dead enemies either as themselves or as skeletons and fight for you for the duration of the battle. You could summon a pet to follow you arround. This is incomparable with healing spells, and you would damage yourself if you heal while having necromancy on.

 

I want this. 

[Mornmagor]

First, No Spirit Healers please , open healing tree for Mages and be done with it.

I'm not particularly fond of Force Mages as well. Anyway.

I would like to see something like a d&d Warpriest/Battle Cleric for Mages. Heavy armor and offensive/buffing spells to smash things or people. Like, an offensive Arcane Warrior that can melee, but can't tank or get in god-mode. Can take hits when buffed but is not the tank a defensive warrior can be. Offense and unleash hell when buffed.

For Rogues, i would like to see the classic Assassin, or a dirty fighter flexible and dodgy who uses any sort of cheap trip to win up close, like, blind with dust, groin kicks, hitting the vitals and using deception.

Warriors, well, i guess a crossover that gives them more magical abilities or something like it, like the Reaver, but let's try something new.

Modifié par Kuroi Kishin, 08 août 2013 - 09:42 .

[MisterJB]

I hope they bring back Champion for the Warrior.

[Chiantirose1982]

The only specialization I really care about is Spirit Healer. I'm okay with being in a healing aura and not being able to do massive damage. I think there should be some way to have some healing/reviving without going down the Spirit Healer tree, but then give the people something who do like to go down that tree. Maybe make it cost less mana to casts the spells, I also liked the fact that I didn't have to use the Injury packs no more in DA2 or give them some damage spells based on spirit damage.

If I remember correctly you can't cast any damage spell while in healing aura in DA2, which is totally fine but including things like spirit bolt, made no sense to me

Also, please give me a regen spell again!

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Force Mage and Assassin, please! I never play as a warrior so I don't care what they get.

[CrazyRah]

I really enjoyed Force Mage but any specialization that allow me to manipulate the surrounding area would suit well with me

[KnightXE]

I would like a Paladin spec for either mage or warrior.

this would be separate from Templar.