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[michaelkourlas]

 A few facts about asari biology that don't seem to add up:

• The evolutionary purpose of sex is reproduction.
• Asari seem to be capable of sexual intercourse.
• Asari do not reproduce through sexual intercourse, but through some other means.

If asari don't need to have sex to reproduce, then why are they capable of having sex in the first place? I can only guess that it's because Bioware wanted Liara to be a romance option for Shepard in ME1.

Modifié par michaelkourlas, 09 août 2013 - 09:57 .

[AustereLemur799]

The asari reproduce via parthenogenesis (as a few plant species here on Earth do). Basically they make two copies and randomise them.

It should also be noted that personal interpretation is really down to role-playing. The games presented us with some things, but people can interpret them different ways - which is the beauty of them!

In ME2, Joker states: 'You know what bothers me? Calling this the 'cockpit'. Alliance ships have bridges; asari have cockpits. Oh, wait; no they don't'.

Whatever your chosen interpretation of that statement; asari do not reproduce by our means (sperm and egg); they do so by melding (the joining of two nervous systems).

Romance options... I'll leave you to figure out just how that works between either a female or a male Shepard if you want to believe that it involves penetrative sex.

I hope that this helps in some way

Modifié par AustereLemur799, 08 août 2013 - 10:37 .

[shingara]

There biotics arnt natural, it has to be assumed that they were able to reproduce in a normal fasion previously, The protheans altered the asari and gave them biotic powers. So its just they evolved into what they are today over the last 50,000 years.

[AustereLemur799]

shingara wrote...

There biotics arnt natural, it has to be assumed that they were able to reproduce in a normal fasion previously, The protheans altered the asari and gave them biotic powers. So its just they evolved into what they are today over the last 50,000 years.

Biotics are another thing entirely; they don't set the rules for their mating. Other species have biotics; there are human biotics, but they still reproduce via sperm and egg.

The asari are a telepathic race, and always have been (to my knowledge) - even before the Protheans got involved.

Besides, we don't know for absolute certain that the Protheans did give them biotics. Thessia is naturally rich in eezo. The Protheans could have happened by and decided to take on the role of deities and exploited the population by saying that 'we gave you your powers; worship us'.

[michaelkourlas]

Romance options... I'll leave you to figure out just how that works between either a female or a male Shepard if you want to believe that it involves penetrative sex.

Well, that's what I assumed, but it would make far more sense if it doesn't.

[shingara]

AustereLemur799 wrote...

shingara wrote...

There biotics arnt natural, it has to be assumed that they were able to reproduce in a normal fasion previously, The protheans altered the asari and gave them biotic powers. So its just they evolved into what they are today over the last 50,000 years.

Biotics are another thing entirely; they don't set the rules for their mating. Other species have biotics; there are human biotics, but they still reproduce via sperm and egg.

The asari are a telepathic race, and always have been (to my knowledge) - even before the Protheans got involved.

Besides, we don't know for absolute certain that the Protheans did give them biotics. Thessia is naturally rich in eezo. The Protheans could have happened by and decided to take on the role of deities and exploited the population by saying that 'we gave you your powers; worship us'.

 Take javik to the thessia temple, its all im saying.

[AlexMBrennan]

The evolutionary purpose of sex is reproduction.

That's begging the question. Simply put, asari enjoying whatever black eye stuff it takes to make babies makes it more likely that asari will make babies. Was that so hard?

So how do Liara and Shepard have (regular) sex when Asari bodies aren't made for that?

If you think that Shepard and Liara are having "regular" sex then it's you making up stuff as no such thing is shown in the game. A love scene is implied, but no details as to what such a scene entails are ever given.

[AustereLemur799]

Well, asari require skin contact to achieve orgasms from a Joining (which are different from a regular meld since it grants pleasure).

We, as humans, focus more on physical proximity. Sexual intercourse for asari means actually penetrating your very soul compared to just your body.

But, whatever; I don't like to comment on asari threads since it really is all role-playing and whatever you like to believe.

Go crazy. Imagination.

[Secretlyapotato]

Because other species have sex and they mate with other species so it's familiar.

Or it's just mind sex, whatever.

[AustereLemur799]

Secretlyapotato wrote...

Because other species have sex and they mate with other species so it's familiar.

Or it's just mind sex, whatever.

It is all mind-sex. The Siari religion (which is current at the time Shepard encounters the ME universe) is a direct consequence of the asari discovering that they can meld with any organic, sapient species.

[DeathScepter]

Asari can have sex with other species thru normal means. Due to their biotics and pathnogenesis, they attune their nervous system to any sentient species to get their essence.

AustereLemur799 is correct on many points

[o Ventus]

AustereLemur799 wrote...

The asari are a telepathic race, and always have been (to my knowledge) - even before the Protheans got involved.

They are not.

[AustereLemur799]

o Ventus wrote...

AustereLemur799 wrote...

The asari are a telepathic race, and always have been (to my knowledge) - even before the Protheans got involved.

They are not.

Fair enough. I'm just weighing-in with my opinion. The fact is that BW has left a lot of room for interpretation.

Just to be clear; I'm not to trying to be forceful with my opinions - I'm just trying to paint one picture (and there are many).

Just trying to contribute to the discussion; sorry if I offended anyone

Modifié par AustereLemur799, 09 août 2013 - 01:29 .

[shingara]

AustereLemur799 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

AustereLemur799 wrote...

The asari are a telepathic race, and always have been (to my knowledge) - even before the Protheans got involved.

They are not.

Fair enough. I'm just weighing-in with my opinion. The fact is that BW has left a lot of room for interpretation.

Just to be clear; I'm not to trying to be forceful with my opinions - I'm just trying to paint one picture (and there are many).

Just trying to contribute to the discussion; sorry if I offended anyone

 you really really should play thessia temple with javik in your team, he explains it all to you if you go around the artifacts before setting off the prothean beacon.

[AustereLemur799]

shingara wrote...

 you really really should play thessia temple with javik in your team, he explains it all to you if you go around the artifacts before setting off the prothean beacon.

I have. Don't worry; I'm probs just whining because I was upset by all that stuff. I'm a writer and I tend to over-analyse everything - not to mention manipulate everyting to suit my own needs (works every time )

[shingara]

AustereLemur799 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 you really really should play thessia temple with javik in your team, he explains it all to you if you go around the artifacts before setting off the prothean beacon.

I have. Don't worry; I'm probs just whining because I was upset by all that stuff. I'm a writer and I tend to over-analyse everything - not to mention manipulate everyting to suit my own needs (works every time )

 NPs no offence is taken by me ever, i suffer from chronic pain so im always a mardy git lol. basic rundown is the protheans are the asari gods, they taught them to read, write and do maths. They taught them to farm and tradeskills and protected them from an invasion force. They applied gene therapy and dna manipulation to give them biotic powers amongst other stuff and then abandomed the asari when the reaper invasion started hoping the reapers would leave the asari alone as they were to young for harvest.

    Its also point and i cant remember where it was but it wasnt always the case for the way asari have kids as the rise of ardak yashi is now a real danger and is why purebloods are looked upon in distain.

Modifié par shingara, 09 août 2013 - 01:41 .

[AustereLemur799]

But I look upon the whole pureblood-being-frowned-upon thing as being a result of the rise in the Siari religion. As the galaxy expanded to encompass new species; the asari needed to keep up.

Since parthenogenesis (as much as I understand it - and I really don't understand much! ) is kind of like cloning, in a way; I imagine the asari to befall the same fate that the Asguard in Stargate did. Too many generations of cloning completely destabilised their genes. In that regard; I see the Siari religion as persuading the asari to introduce aliens into their breeding in an effort to save themselves, even though the asari breeding process takes no genes from the 'father'. There is one set of genes (the mother) that is duplicated, then randomised if the 'father' is an alien.

As the asari from Barrier Frontiers in ME2 (Erinya, I believe?? I could be wrong...) says; the same result can be achieved through radiation treatment.

Anyways I could be totally wrong on all of this - and for that, I apologise . Just from my own opinion and my story; I believe that the asari are declining as a race (they are the oldest race in the known galaxy, after all). Their genetics are failing and they are reaching out to survive.

Just my two cents. I'm not saying that I'm correct, by any stretch of the imagination.

Modifié par AustereLemur799, 09 août 2013 - 02:09 .

[Han Shot First]

The reason for that is no more complicated than Bioware wanting to make an Asari character romanceable. But if a player needs a head canon reason for that physical compatibility, it is entirely possible that the Asari, or a recent evolutionary ancestor, used to have males and reproduced sexually. Perhaps they were like some species of shark, in that they usually produced sexually but could reproduce by parthenogenesis under certain circumstances, and over time they evolved to reproduce solely by parthenogenesis.

In fact there was actually a theory (now debunked) that human males may one day disappear.

Men on the road to extinction

Stories like that one may have been part of the inspiration for the Asari.

Finn the Jakey wrote...

So how do Liara and Shepard have (regular) sex when Asari bodies aren't made for that?

The Asari are properly equipped for it. Sadly that knowledge comes from the Banshee model. *shudders*

Modifié par Han Shot First, 09 août 2013 - 02:10 .

[o Ventus]

Mass Effect Wiki wrote...

Ardat-Yakshi are a disgrace to the asari culture. It is suspected that this condition is what lies at the root of the asari prejudice against purebloods. Samara, a pureblood herself, states that the condition is as old as the asari species, and that it appears only among purebloods.

[shingara]

Ye it all revolves around what the protheans actualy did with there manipulation, as it stands written history of the asari only happens after the protheans appear, so im not agruing of how they do it now but the fact it is unknown what the asari actualy did prior to the prothean alterations.

[AustereLemur799]

o Ventus wrote...

Mass Effect Wiki wrote...

Ardat-Yakshi are a disgrace to the asari culture. It is suspected that this condition is what lies at the root of the asari prejudice against purebloods. Samara, a pureblood herself, states that the condition is as old as the asari species, and that it appears only among purebloods.

Yet we only know the asari as they are in the ME world as we've experienced it. They all seem to be hookers/dancers (and everyone perceives them as such).

Ardat-Yakshi are only a disgrace because the asari government fears what outsiders will think of them. Ardat-Yakshi are permitted to visit the homeworld under supervision, yet never off-world. They seem to be the asari's dirty little secret.

According to Samara; there were old tales told of the Ardat-Yakshi that behaved as cautionary tales; just as we have Greek tragedies that act in a similar fashion.

Naturally, culture and civilisation have adapted to cover up these things - but that's not to say that they don't still occur. We have commonplace things like television and books to explore all the dark themes that are off-limits to us in our day-to-day lives. That doesn't stop us from thinking about them.

Modifié par AustereLemur799, 09 août 2013 - 02:35 .

[o Ventus]

AustereLemur799 wrote...

Yet we only know the asari as they are in the ME world as we've experienced it.

... And the codex.

They all seem to be hookers/dancers

And shopkeeps. And office representatives. And slavers. And mercenaries. And scientists. And high-ranking politicians.

Kind of like everyone else.

(and everyone perceives them as such).

Not really.

Ardat-Yakshi are only a disgrace because the asari government fears what outsiders will think of them. Ardat-Yakshi are permitted to visit the homeworld under supervision, yet never off-world. They seem to be the asari's dirty little secret.

Only because the government fears what people will think of them? How about the whole "they are a legitimate threat to public security" ordeal? Every time an Ardat-Yakshi kills somebody, they become stronger, and are physically compelled to kill more to the point where it becomes an addiction, akin to drugs. Morinth has been loose for over 400 years, and presumably has a giant body count. She was able to manipulate a village into worshipping her as a goddess and sacrificing their children to her in tribute.

According to Samara; there were old tales told of the Ardat-Yakshi that behaved as cautionary tales; just as we have Greek tragedies that act in a similar fashion.

Yeah. Our Greek stories aren't recollections of true events.

[AustereLemur799]

o Ventus wrote...

Yeah. Our Greek stories aren't recollections of true events.

Stopped reading there . I've got a degree on that subject. Still, I enjoyed the rest of your post.

[o Ventus]

AustereLemur799 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Yeah. Our Greek stories aren't recollections of true events.

Stopped reading there . I've got a degree on that subject. Still, I enjoyed the rest of your post.

Let me rephrase that.

The overwhelming majority of Greek stories aren't recollections of true events.

Unless you're seriously going to tell me that the universe [i[actually[/i] came about through the Earth (Gaia) and Uranus (Ouranos) having kinky force-of-nature sex (Gaia being Ouranos' mother, mind you) and birthing an entirely new species of still-magical deities.

Modifié par o Ventus, 09 août 2013 - 02:58 .