crimzontearz wrote...
Glad you are, I am indifferent but the concept kinda baffles me
Gaiden96 wrote...
KiddDaBeauty wrote...
Wait, a chain? What are you referring to? I really want to know! =)
The GI article makes mention that warriors have access to a chain in combat, with the purpose of dragging enemies closer. I'm not entirely sure how this works since the article isn't very descriptive, though I assume it's much like the "Pull of the Abyss" Force Mage spell but far less flashy and (most likely) single-target.
I have to admit though, it has me both concerned and excited.
I don't want to be Kratos in Thedas
TIM was never a squadmate really and he was an antagonist until the very end. Point is for every good example there is a bad one...and the bad ones are prominent. I am just saying, I heard the line "this will have a large impact on the game" before and the result was less than worth it if you ask me. After giving her that much plot armor before AND making sure she is not a companion she better be worth it.Valadras21 wrote...
@crimsontearz, think about ME2's Illusive Man. He was a well-written and powerful character, a driving force of the story, and he had his own agenda which may or may not match up with the player's. I think Morrigan will be kinda like that.
And besides, it's not like Dragon Age is devoid of good NPC's. Think Flemeth, Duncan, The Arishok, and almost Loghain* to name a few.
*Seriously, I think the 95% of the game that Loghain spends as the "antagonist" is a good example.
While I would never compare DA2 to DMC2... if DAI is to DMC3 what DAO was to DMC1, we are looking at something that deserves far more than just a dozen GOTY awards. I rank DMC3 among one of the best games I've ever played, and I found DMC1 to be good at best.TyroneTasty wrote...
Perhaps DA follows the Devil May Cry arc, where first was solid, second was an abortion, and the third was pure bliss.
Same. I can just imagine the butterflies and fan glee when we finally get to meet her in a dark room ^^LPPrince wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
Glad you are, I am indifferent but the concept kinda baffles me
Doesn't baffle me at all. We knew back then that Morrigan was important.
I didn't want her as a love interest in this game either, or as a companion for the Inquisitor.
I'm glad she's a NPC.
He's definitely not an antagonist in ME2, no. You don't shoot at him a single time, nor are you working against his plans. If anything, he's the hero's advisor who serves for mutual benefit.crimzontearz wrote...
TIM was never a squadmate really and he was an antagonist until the very end.
Few series have ever taken a worse turn in the sequel than DMC, I'm not sure even DA2s worst haters would make that comparison...KiddDaBeauty wrote...
While I would never compare DA2 to DMC2... if DAI is to DMC3 what DAO was to DMC1, we are looking at something that deserves far more than just a dozen GOTY awards. I rank DMC3 among one of the best games I've ever played, and I found DMC1 to be good at best.
Not a direct antagonist, no, but I think I know what your gettin at. Somebody with their own agenda that doesn't actually seem to care for you at all?He's definitely not an antagonist in ME2, no. You don't shoot at him a single time, nor are you working against his plans. If anything, he's the hero's advisor who serves for mutual benefit.
Respectfully, I think that Morrigan was written ten times better than TIM. He never really left me guessing. I got the feeling that he was supposed to seem ambiguous, but I didn't feel like he really was. Morrigan is a genuinely ambiguous character. Thedas seems to need change - it's been stuck in destructive cycles - and perhaps Morrigan can give an Old God another chance, free from corruption... But it's hard to know if I can really believe her aims are so altrustic when she's capable of suggesting awful things as good ideas (e.g. killing the captive elves in the Alienage for power, even though one of them was my Warden's father) and when, if what she wanted to do was really so noble, she could just freaking tell the Warden and the Warden (at least mine) would be more likely to help her.Valadras21 wrote...
@crimsontearz, think about ME2's Illusive Man. He was a well-written and powerful character, a driving force of the story, and he had his own agenda which may or may not match up with the player's. I think Morrigan will be kinda like that.
Modifié par Estelindis, 13 août 2013 - 08:20 .
Because bioware railroaded me there, Shepard just goes...mmmmkay I'll work with you (I will just forget entirely about kohoku and akhuze and whatnot).....yeah, no, not ever remotely what I call good writingKiddDaBeauty wrote...
While I would never compare DA2 to DMC2... if DAI is to DMC3 what DAO was to DMC1, we are looking at something that deserves far more than just a dozen GOTY awards. I rank DMC3 among one of the best games I've ever played, and I found DMC1 to be good at best.TyroneTasty wrote...
Perhaps DA follows the Devil May Cry arc, where first was solid, second was an abortion, and the third was pure bliss.Same. I can just imagine the butterflies and fan glee when we finally get to meet her in a dark room ^^LPPrince wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
Glad you are, I am indifferent but the concept kinda baffles me
Doesn't baffle me at all. We knew back then that Morrigan was important.
I didn't want her as a love interest in this game either, or as a companion for the Inquisitor.
I'm glad she's a NPC.He's definitely not an antagonist in ME2, no. You don't shoot at him a single time, nor are you working against his plans. If anything, he's the hero's advisor who serves for mutual benefit.crimzontearz wrote...
TIM was never a squadmate really and he was an antagonist until the very end.
Something like that, yeah =)Lord Aesir wrote...
Not a direct antagonist, no, but I think I know what your gettin at. Somebody with their own agenda that doesn't actually seem to care for you at all?
To me it felt the other way around (during ME2). I wasn't sure where I had TIM and even handed him the base cause I figured no matter what, it's better he has it than that we're not prepared.Estelindis wrote...
Respectfully, I think that Morrigan was written ten times better than TIM. He never really left me guessing. I got the feeling that he was supposed to seem ambiguous, but I didn't feel like he really was. Morrigan is a genuinely ambiguous character.
I'm really amazed that you're so confident. Would a selfless champion of justice recommend the slaughter of helpless elven prisoners in order to power blood magic?KiddDaBeauty wrote...
With Morrigan though I am sure, until Gaider proves me otherwise, that she's a selfless champion of justice. She sacrifices her own happiness and time to look after a conflict for the greater good. And I am pretty darn sure of this, so far =)
Maybe you didn't have her in your party during that mission?
Oh I've had her there. If she can sacrifice what is most dear to her, she can sacrifice a few elves she does not even know. It's not hard to imagine that she sees the death of a few elves as a cheap price if it means upping the odds of defeating the Blight. The Blight will take many more lives than these few, thus killing them to ensure safety for all can be considered just. I never said she was a sweet lady =)Estelindis wrote...
I'm really amazed that you're so confident. Would a selfless champion of justice recommend the slaughter of helpless elven prisoners in order to power blood magic?KiddDaBeauty wrote...
With Morrigan though I am sure, until Gaider proves me otherwise, that she's a selfless champion of justice. She sacrifices her own happiness and time to look after a conflict for the greater good. And I am pretty darn sure of this, so far =)
Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 13 août 2013 - 10:26 .
Estelindis wrote...
I'm really amazed that you're so confident. Would a selfless champion of justice recommend the slaughter of helpless elven prisoners in order to power blood magic?KiddDaBeauty wrote...
With Morrigan though I am sure, until Gaider proves me otherwise, that she's a selfless champion of justice. She sacrifices her own happiness and time to look after a conflict for the greater good. And I am pretty darn sure of this, so far =)
Ah, so that's what you meant by a selfless champion of justice. Well you must admit, your idea of what it means to be that way is still pretty ambiguous. Someone like this can't ever be sure that they've totted up their utilitarian pluses and minuses correctly. And if they regard treating others well as a personal luxury of which they must deprive themselves, they lose focus on what they're taking from others (it's not as if the elves' lives are Morrigan's to sacrifice; they're their own). All the same, it could turn out that what a person like this did actually helped the greatest amount of people. So yes, I still see your vision here as quite ambiguous.KiddDaBeauty wrote...
If she can sacrifice what is most dear to her, she can sacrifice a few elves she does not even know. It's not hard to imagine that she sees the death of a few elves as a cheap price if it means upping the odds of defeating the Blight. The Blight will take many more lives than these few, thus killing them to ensure safety for all can be considered just. I never said she was a sweet lady =)
Much of how I see Morrigan is based on this exchange from Witch Hunt,
Warden: And is that what you want? To be free?
Morrigan: What I want is... is unimportant now.
The sentence implies, to me, that she and her desires are not important because she's doing something greater. She can ill afford her own pleasure and happiness when there is so much at stake.
I wouldn't say it was poorly written at all. I don't think it's inconsistent with Sten or Morrigan; it just adds complexity to their characters. For me, when trying to decide whether to choose the Dark Ritual or not, this one event haunted my Warden more than anything else and made it really difficult for her to truly trust Morrigan. Every time she did trust Morrigan, it was a leap of faith rather than an unthinking, default "of course I will help my party member with their personal issue."Nerevar-as wrote...
I think Sten also approved, so let´s say that wasn´t the best written part of the game. Morrigan was interesting when written as a social darwinist lacking empathy towards others (and at times you could call her out on this), not when as stupid evil.
Modifié par Estelindis, 13 août 2013 - 11:28 .
She definitely is =) I wonder how bad David is cackling while reading posts like this.Estelindis wrote...
Ah, so that's what you meant by a selfless champion of justice. Well you must admit, your idea of what it means to be that way is still pretty ambiguous. Someone like this can't ever be sure that they've totted up their utilitarian pluses and minuses correctly. And if they regard treating others well as a personal luxury of which they must deprive themselves, they lose focus on what they're taking from others (it's not as if the elves' lives are Morrigan's to sacrifice; they're their own). All the same, it could turn out that what a person like this did actually helped the greatest amount of people. So yes, I still see your vision here as quite ambiguous.
Basically, Morrigan is written brilliantly.
Estelindis wrote...
For all we know, she could be either, but she must have an agenda other than simply stopping the Blight since she leaves your party and doesn't help you to defeat the archdemon if you don't agree to the Dark Ritual.
Modifié par Gaiden96, 14 août 2013 - 07:25 .
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