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[MWImexico]

MisterJB wrote...
Suffice it to say, everything points out to Flemeth having a finger, or a whole hand, in what caused this mess ...

Also, in the comics Yavana says that "there was a time before the Veil when dragons ruled the skies". Does it mean that, before the veil, Thedas and the Fade were openly linked? Maybe the dragons still could cross through even now, the tear in the veil might be an open gate for them? We'll see ...

Modifié par MWImexico, 31 août 2013 - 01:29 .

[Chari]

EntropicAngel wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

She used Maric to bring back the dragons and, according to Yavanna, they used to rule Thedas before the Veil. Now, there is an enormous rift in the Veil, Flemeth is not human, has a draconic form and Morrigan learned of what was coming when she also learned Flemeth's true nature.
Suffice it to say, everything points out to Flemeth having a finger, or a whole hand, in what caused this mess and I can't think of any plan where having giant, flying firebreathing, scaly lizard around would be good for the people of Thedas.
Plus, she totally escaped death by our hand once. That's just vexing.

As far as I'm concerned DA books don't exist.

And you could say she escaped death, but when when the Warden is talking to Morrigan about "killing" her Morrigan states that the Warden will not actually kill her.

As far as canon is included, fans' opinions on books don't matter
Books are canon. End of the debate

[Dermain]

Chari wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

She used Maric to bring back the dragons and, according to Yavanna, they used to rule Thedas before the Veil. Now, there is an enormous rift in the Veil, Flemeth is not human, has a draconic form and Morrigan learned of what was coming when she also learned Flemeth's true nature.
Suffice it to say, everything points out to Flemeth having a finger, or a whole hand, in what caused this mess and I can't think of any plan where having giant, flying firebreathing, scaly lizard around would be good for the people of Thedas.
Plus, she totally escaped death by our hand once. That's just vexing.

As far as I'm concerned DA books don't exist.

And you could say she escaped death, but when when the Warden is talking to Morrigan about "killing" her Morrigan states that the Warden will not actually kill her.

As far as canon is included, fans' opinions on books don't matter
Books are canon. End of the debate

The events in the books OCCURRED. How they occurred is a matter of interpretation. Other than that, head cannon will RARELY if ever be respected in the games.

Modifié par Myrkale, 31 août 2013 - 10:34 .

[Chari]

Myrkale wrote...

Chari wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

She used Maric to bring back the dragons and, according to Yavanna, they used to rule Thedas before the Veil. Now, there is an enormous rift in the Veil, Flemeth is not human, has a draconic form and Morrigan learned of what was coming when she also learned Flemeth's true nature.
Suffice it to say, everything points out to Flemeth having a finger, or a whole hand, in what caused this mess and I can't think of any plan where having giant, flying firebreathing, scaly lizard around would be good for the people of Thedas.
Plus, she totally escaped death by our hand once. That's just vexing.

As far as I'm concerned DA books don't exist.

And you could say she escaped death, but when when the Warden is talking to Morrigan about "killing" her Morrigan states that the Warden will not actually kill her.

As far as canon is included, fans' opinions on books don't matter
Books are canon. End of the debate

The events in the books OCCURRED. How they occurred is a matter of interpretation. Other than that, head cannon will RARELY if ever be respected in the games.

The way they occured in the books is canon. They may retcon it later but until then it is. Deal with it

Headcanons are trash, why should they get respected? I understand fanon theories, personal stories about the Warden and Hawke, but once a player starts beliving that their headcanon is more important than real canon, they are lost. Forever

[Dermain]

Chari wrote...

The way they occured in the books is canon. They may retcon it later but until then it is. Deal with it

Headcanons are trash, why should they get respected? I understand fanon theories, personal stories about the Warden and Hawke, but once a player starts beliving that their headcanon is more important than real canon, they are lost. Forever

I believe Gaider posted somewhere that the events in the books was canon, but how they occured in the game world differed based on choices made by the player. The comics were stated to be based on a game one of the devs had. 

Since none of my games have events that differ from either of the books/comics I'd be happy if the events were mentioned in the games.

Sadly we have people that will always go "LALALALALALAALALA It didn't happen! Not cannon!! LALALALALALA *sticks fingers in ears*" because of Gaider's statement.

Modifié par Myrkale, 31 août 2013 - 11:05 .

[fchopin]

Until i see something in the game it does not exist for me whatever anyone says.

I don't play books, i play games.

[werewoof]

pretty sure the books are supposed to be bioware's canon. the events in them more or less happened but not the same way in your game because the choices you made might have been different

that all being said i tend to just go with game canon because im not impressed by gaider's prose writing and im not into the lore enough to bother with it to read the books

Modifié par tiktac, 31 août 2013 - 04:27 .

[Angrywolves]

Flemeth had nothing to do with what caused this mess.
Some players hope it's her, thinking they'll have a chance to kill her.
Wishful thinking.

[Chari]

Myrkale wrote...

Chari wrote...

The way they occured in the books is canon. They may retcon it later but until then it is. Deal with it

Headcanons are trash, why should they get respected? I understand fanon theories, personal stories about the Warden and Hawke, but once a player starts beliving that their headcanon is more important than real canon, they are lost. Forever

I believe Gaider posted somewhere that the events in the books was canon, but how they occured in the game world differed based on choices made by the player. The comics were stated to be based on a game one of the devs had. 

Since none of my games have events that differ from either of the books/comics I'd be happy if the events were mentioned in the games.

Sadly we have people that will always go "LALALALALALAALALA It didn't happen! Not cannon!! LALALALALALA *sticks fingers in ears*" because of Gaider's statement.

He meant books that happened after DA:O and DA2. Like if Wynne is alive or not depends on your gameplay. They'll still find a way to make them canon since some of these events are too important to be forgotten (Cole, Wynne's death etc)
Events that happened before are canon no matter what

[aries1001]

azarhal wrote...

“The Dragon has always been this agent of change and tumult,” Laidlaw says. “It’s almost like an astrological sign – except rad."

Pretty rad Mike, pretty rad.

I like the sound of the dragon combat, they might end feeling like real boss fight and not just monsters with a lot of HP...

For those of us who are not into the internetslang, here's an explanation of what the term 'rad' means:

"The definition of RAD is "Radical, cool"..." (source: http://www.internets...-definition.asp)

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and now onto the commens of this new info:

First, I would like to say that I'm surprised and delighted that we finally get environments which are destructable, this is feature I've have long wished would be in a Bioware game.
Second, I'm a bit concerned that I/we will go back to our homebase or rest in camp a lot, since health no longer regenerates outside of combat situations.
Third, I'm a bit concerned also by the news of us needing? to go attacking and taking keeps to unlock other areas in the game. This sound to me too much like a Settlers game or an RTS game. This is because I don't want to micromanage much. [As an aside I spent way too much time in games like Oblivion and DA: Origins selling and buying stuff...not fun...at least for me].
Fourth, the graphics looks very impressive; dragons now look like they should, fearsome awesome creatures of the wild nature that they are in the DA: Franchise.
Fifth, tactical combat overview coming back. Also, playable quanari ( a good thing, imo).
Sixth: Finally some real consequences to our actions, defend a keep, have a consequence. Don't defend a have, have a consequence for this also. Also, time is off the essence in some cases. [As an aside, I have wished for this since I carried dead Jaheira for like a week or so in BG2 before bringing her dead body to the temple to resurrect
her].


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Much is still shrouded in mystery, though, as pr. this:

Who is responsible for the tear in the veil?
Which role do Morrigan and Flemeth play in DA: Inquisition.
Who are the Red Templars really?

and many more questions like this...

[Herr Uhl]

Rad is not internetslang. It is 90's slang (before the internets were popular).

[MWImexico]

Angrywolves wrote...

Flemeth had nothing to do with what caused this mess.
Some players hope it's her, thinking they'll have a chance to kill her.
Wishful thinking.

Personaly, I don't wish to kill her, but she could be involved in one way or another. All this time, she seemed to be preparing herself for something, I don't know maybe I'm reading to much into this. For the moment I think she could be a powerful ally or the big bad, we'll see

In fact we still don't know who (or what) Flemeth is, for the moment I think she's an old god, that's why I suspect her to be particulary intersted by all this "tear in the veil" matter.

[Angrywolves]

Other players think it's Corypheus and the old Tevinter mages or Dumat or another old God like him.
I've always believed that Flemeth is a force for good.
Wishful speculations by players that want to kill her doesn't constitute proof she's behind it all and I would need proof.

[ev76]

Well Flemeth according to leiliana's story telling in dragon age origins made a deal with a demon when she killed her husband and destroyed the Castle, this after the husband killed Flemeths new love. Anyway long story short if there is any truth to that, things might get interesting in dragon age inquisition. In regards to Flemeth.

[Angrywolves]

Flemeth seems to enjoy telling tales about herself so she appears larger than life.
Even Morrigan calls them wild tales.
No proof Flemeth ever made a deal with a demon.
I can understand people wanting to kill Flemeth , Morrigan , Leliana, commit in game genocide against the dalish or other races.
They want to play "the evil dude".
Of course that's not my personality , but if the game allows them to play that way then so be it.
We know the world will literally be in the Inquisitors hands , and that includes the fate of everyone in it.
So players can kill Flemeth , Morrigan , Leliana, , and anyone and everyone else in the game for any reason or no reason .
There will be in game consequences that some players may not like. The game may not end the way they wanted or expected.
shrugs.

[cindercatz]

Flemeth and Morrigan give some specifics about which parts of Leliana's tale (the popular myth) are true, which were later additions, which characters of the myth weren't even involved, etc. They never said she didn't make a deal with.. something, not necessarily a demon. There's even a line about whether Flemeth is an abomination. She's bound and merged with something. I think she's either bound with an Old God (like the OGB would be, which I suspect is why Flemeth wanted that done in the first place), or she's bound with one of the elvhen gods (which must still link back to the Old Gods somehow if she is). I think.

And dragon combat sounds scrumptious.

[Angrywolves]

Some people think it's Fen Harol or however it's spelled , the elven trickster God.
Regardless, her fate and the fate of everybody else in the world will be in the Inquisitor's hands, for better or worse.

[cindercatz]

I hope we can choose sides. Morrigan v. Flemeth (and Warden v. Hawke, potentially..) Choose your destiny.

[Razored1313]

cindercatz wrote...

I hope we can choose sides. Morrigan v. Flemeth (and Warden v. Hawke, potentially..) Choose your destiny.

if that does happen i can imagina many, many dead hawkes! 

[DaringMoosejaw]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Rad is not internetslang. It is 90's slang (before the internets were popular).

Kids these days, not living through the 90s. They've probably never even heard of the Spin Doctors.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

froogle345 wrote...

cindercatz wrote...

I hope we can choose sides. Morrigan v. Flemeth (and Warden v. Hawke, potentially..) Choose your destiny.

if that does happen i can imagina many, many dead hawkes! 

Or many dead wardens 

[Ozzy]

My Warden and Hawke would get along fine, hmph.

[Captain Obvious]

cindercatz wrote...

I hope we can choose sides. Morrigan v. Flemeth (and Warden v. Hawke, potentially..) Choose your destiny.

I'd rather stick with my own side.