DecCylonus wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730,
We seem to have a fundamental disagreement about the nature of the Reaper threat. I find some of your points interesting, even though I disagree with you. However, since we disagree on what is the real threat, I'm going to stop responding point by point and deal with this issue.
In ME3, it is shown in nearly every battle that the Reaper ground troops are only a minor threat. Our weapons are effective at killing them. Our troops are effective at killing them. The only time that our losses stack up, either in cutscenes or in the codex, is when the Reaper ships get involved. It's pretty clear that their ground troops' main function is to facilitate the harvest. They are there to disable and round up the civillians for processing. We fight them on the ground to prevent that, mostly to save civillian lives.
Consider gameplay mechanics. Consider that Shepard is a hyper-elite soldier among hyper-elite soldiers. That's what I'm seeing you talk about. As for troop effectiveness, I clearly also saw Turians - Turians - getting overwhelmed by husks. That's not a knock against Turians. That's a testament to how powerful the Reaper troops are. Take a look at Thessia. Yes, Reapers were involved there, but I clearly saw many Asari fighting with their back to the wall with Reaper troops pressing on them. I also point to Earth, in area's where the Reaper troops completely overwhelmed entire battalions (500-1300) soldiers. Yes, Reapers themselves were involved, though I only remember two; the Destroyer guarding the beam and Harbinger itself. Listen to the Radio. We're getting beat. Badly. The Reaper troops sheer numbers are absolutely overwhelming us. They are much, much more than a 'minor' threat.
And they round up civilians for harvesting? The solution is simple enough to me. Kill the civilians. Prevent their suffering from the Reapers. The horror of being processed and harvested. Deny them their own troops. Use the survivors as bait. Or fodder. Or for science. There's no hope for them. Make them useful before they die. Simple as that.
In the grand strategy of this cycle's Reaper War, the harvest doesn't matter. If our understanding is correct, the Reapers will only produce one Sovereign Class and a handful of smaller types from this harvest.
Consider how many humans it will take to make said Reaper. Consider how many went into the Reaper larva on the Collector Base. Consider what EDI said about the Collector Ship: They're planning on attacking Earth. Harvesting humans from Earth. It's going to take millions, if not billions of humans to process into a Reaper.
Then consider the husks, or the indoctrinated agents. There will be a massive army of husks. As you said, we disagree. I believe that the Reaper ground troops are every bit as deadly as the Reapers themselves.
They already have more than enough warships to defeat us, so the few more that the harvest will add over time is insignificant. Therefore, your placement of a high priority on stopping the harvest seems out of place to me. You already conceded that the Reapers aren't likely to keep taking the civillian bait and losing ships in nuclear explosions, so your method isn't really a viable one for reducing the Reaper capital ships. If the Reapers lost every single husk / marauder / banshee / whatever, their warships can still win this war by grinding our military to dust.
The harvest is a huge threat. Because I believe that a great deal of time and effort will be used on creating the Reaper. We have no real estimate on the numbers that are necessary to build a Reaper. Remember the Reaper Larva on the CB? If you spare the CB, the Reaper is still intact, and it is inside Cronos Station. Basing it's size on Shepard, I'd say it's about 30-40 meters in size.
And that the result of hundreds of thousands of processed humans.
A full size Reaper is 2,000 meters in size. That's going to take hundreds of millions, if not billions of humans. That's a lot of humans. A very sizable chunk of the entire human population.
Meanwhile, the Reapers main purpose is to harvest us. That's what they're going to try to do with us mainly. We kind of want to prevent that. Especially since that seems to be their preoccupation.
Destroy their entire ground force, and we'd be able to roll through London. A lot of Reapers would have to leave the fight in space to fight us on the ground. Not that it would even the odds in space, but it would split the Reapers up. And with no Reaper troops on the ground to kill us, we can move unopposed through the city (and underground. Numerically, there are a too many of us. Too many would make it to the beam. We'd activate the Crucible a lot faster.
Of course, this is speculation.
To me it's pretty simple. We need a 4 to 1 ratio of dreadnoughts to overwhelm a Sovereign Class. Or we need a bunch of Thannix cannons and a reliable way to get them close enough to use. We don't have either. Therefore we have to acquire them, or do something unconventional like the Crucible. Every resource we spend actively killing our own civillians is a resource we don't have available to kill the Reaper capital ships, which are the real threat. So unless you can articulate a viable explanation for how denying the Reapers new husks helps us beat the real threat, it just sounds like you are killing civillians for the sake of killing them.
We're not going to go out of our way to kill our civilians. We aren't going to hunt them down. We don't need too. They'll come to us. And we'll sort them out with how we plan to use them then. I don't need a dreadnought to kill them. A single fission device will do fine. They aren't all that hard to make into weapons. Uranium is shown to be a somewhat common commodity. Weaponize it. Use it. Takes out our civilians
It seems like you're trying to misrepresent my argument a bit here. I think you're underestimating the threat the Reapers pose here, and I think you're especially underestimating the strength of their ground forces. We don't need to fight the Reapers head on. We shouldn't. It's a pretty asinine tactic. It'd be best for hit and run strikes, and wild-goose chases. Don't commit to any fights or engagements unless absolutely necessary. We do find ourselves having to engage them on the ground. A lot. Seems like we're fighting husks a lot.
As I said, imagine what London could be like if there were no husks. It wouldn't be a cakewalk, but it'd be a lot easier to reach the beam. There'd be a lot more survivors. And a lot less floating and burning hulks.
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